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Nadja 'Infestor' Tankstelle
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.07 07:17:00 -
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Hi
I am training my scanning skills as I intend to get into exploration (Data and Relic sites) but do have more in my wish list so to speak (missile and ehp skills for bomber and ewar for interceptors) so I dont want to waste time on a very long train if the benefit will be minimal. I do have my covert ops on Level 4 so that bonus will be there but how far to take the below ?
Astrometric Acquisition Level 3 Astrometric Pinpointing Level 3 Astrometric Rangefinding Level 3 Astrometrics Level: 4 Hacking - Level: 0 Astrometrics - Level: 0
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2511
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Posted - 2014.08.07 12:15:00 -
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Nadja 'Infestor' Tankstelle wrote:Astrometrics - Level: 0
I guess you meant Archaeology there :)
Astrometrics 4 and its supports at 3 are enough for hisec and most of lowsec sites. CovOps bonus will help you there too. And there are those scanning array modules that boost your probing parameters so you can always fit them for scanning and then one of it to relic or data scanner. Train Hacking and Archaeology to 4 for those virus bonuses and you should be fine for most cases.
Of course if you will have spare time in your training get those up as much as you can because it's always better to have those little advantages over competition :)
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Shoxxx
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.07 13:57:00 -
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Thanks for the reply
Yes I meant Archaeology and yes I posted with the wrong character too.
Will do as you suggested for sure ! |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.08.07 15:08:00 -
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Assuming you are going to be using Sisters Probes and a Sisters Launcher with Covert Ops IV and one scanning strength module you will do just fine in null with:
Astrometric Acquisition Level 3 Astrometric Pinpointing Level 3 Astrometric Rangefinding Level 3 Astrometrics Level: 4 Hacking - Level: 4 Archaeology - Level: 4
However you will loose a can every now and then without the extra virus strength provided by the T2 analyzer modules.
This is what I run with in null and I have yet to find a site that I couldn't scan down. It is also worth noting that relic sites are generally worth quite a bit more than data sites so Archaeology V is a good investment if you really want to make the most out of exploration. Personally I don't feel that data sites are worth enough to make training Hacking V worth it. (Unless you do lots of invention and want those extra few decrypters.)
If you are going to stick to hisec then you can drop the faction probes and faction launcher and there is no reason to train Archaeology V. In lowsec you can probably get away with just the faction probes but Archaeology V is probably still worth it.
Of course the more you train the scanning skills the less reliant you will be on the faction probes and launcher and/or you will have better chances of beating the competition. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:38:00 -
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I had Astrometrics 2 for the entire 2.75 years I lived in w-space. You don't need high probing skills to get by, but they do make life easier.
I've just recently trained Astrometrics 5 for Black Ops bridging.
Judge skill importance to you by how much you use them, and how much they will benefit you. |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
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Posted - 2014.08.07 21:06:00 -
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Nadja 'Infestor' Tankstelle wrote:Astrometric Acquisition Level 3 Astrometric Pinpointing Level 3 Astrometric Rangefinding Level 3 Astrometrics Level: 4
This is actually better than what I have on my main, and I've scanned literally every day I've played this game for the last 2 years. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4015
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Posted - 2014.08.07 23:24:00 -
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I want to elaborate on my previous post.
* Are you having any difficulty probing now? * Do you find yourself wanting probing to be a bit easier or faster? * Is probing a significant amount of your current gameplay? * Have you trained all other higher priority skills?
Yes to any of the above, and it may be worthwhile to train probing further.
These are the sort of questions you should ask yourself before training any skill. |
Shoxxx
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 07:38:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:I want to elaborate on my previous post.
* Are you having any difficulty probing now? * Do you find yourself wanting probing to be a bit easier or faster? * Is probing a significant amount of your current gameplay? * Have you trained all other higher priority skills?
Yes to any of the above, and it may be worthwhile to train probing further.
These are the sort of questions you should ask yourself before training any skill.
Of course but I also don't know what things will be like down the line thus I ask people who have more experience with it. I don't know if I'd come across say... "Without being on x skill level you will find it almost impossible in lower security areas". I try not to train a skill to something un-necessary unless I have exhausted every skill I wish to train.
Asking advice helps prioritize my queue. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:18:00 -
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What you have right now is more than some vets have so you are ok :) Train Hacking and/or Archaeology to 3 or 4 and move on to whatever is next on your list (core, fitting, specific ships, mods, etc.).
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Shoxxx
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.08 11:23:00 -
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Hacking and Archaeology both on III now, I am taking a slight detour from cloaking IV to play with an Astero, from what I read I am probably better off in my Buzzard but... its just so pretty.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.08.08 19:51:00 -
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The main advantage of the Astero is that it requires less training to get into than a Covet Ops frigate. However for pure data/relic site exploration a Covert Ops frigate is superior due to the larger scanning bonus and higher warp speed.
However an Astero can easily kill a Covert Ops frigate it if finds one in a site. Useful when you want to get rid of the competition in low/null. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4017
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Posted - 2014.08.08 21:19:00 -
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Shoxxx wrote:Of course but I also don't know what things will be like down the line thus I ask people who have more experience with it. I don't know if I'd come across say... "Without being on x skill level you will find it almost impossible in lower security areas". I try not to train a skill to something un-necessary unless I have exhausted every skill I wish to train.
Asking advice helps prioritize my queue. Don't train for the future. Train for the present. You'll be happier that way.
I have a corpmate that is a probing maniac. He does solo nulsec exploration (he has ships and jumpclones in most nul areas). With minimal skills, a broken mouse, and a burlap bag over his head, he can beat me by a factor of 20x faster. I however find I need the crutch of a few skill levels just to do the basics.
I don't think there is a minimum required skill level. Plus, equipment choices can make-up for a lack of skills. |
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
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Posted - 2014.08.09 16:40:00 -
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Train all to 4!
If you are going to spend time scanning at all make it semi fast.
It takes very little time to train all to 4 compared to going for 5's.
Higher skills mean you can make the fit cheaper and get the same done. You won't worry as much about losing it and that is more likely to have you using it.
Don't be scared of L5 on the lower multiplier skills either. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
475
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:58:00 -
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For PVE: Nothing past level 4 for astrometrics skills, hack/arch to 5.
For PVP: Everything to 5, plus implants if you're going to be the dedicated prober. Nothing otherwise. |
Tethys Luxor
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.08.12 07:25:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:For PVE: Nothing past level 4 for astrometrics skills, hack/arch to 5.
For PVP: Everything to 5, plus implants if you're going to be the dedicated prober. Nothing otherwise.
That's it. It's not even useful to go train level 4 for the three advanced scanning skills Hack/Arch 5 make a HUGE difference in the minigame. Data loot is far less good than relic so I would train Arch first.
Sister's stuff. I love the probes, but the launcher adds too much value to your ship.
PVP, I would max everything. |
Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
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Posted - 2014.08.23 14:06:00 -
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Even for PvP I'd say training the astro sub-skills to V is insane. You are going to put in a 20-day train for Rangefinding V to get a ~4% increase in your scan strength? In that same time period you could train every nav skill to IV or V and actually get to your targets faster! |
MonkeyBusiness Thiesant
randomly named no tax corp v2
5
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Posted - 2014.08.23 15:01:00 -
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Only worth going really high if you're scanning in higher class wormholes a lot. When you see 65 sigs in 1 hole......
Astro5 is nice cos it gets you t2 expanded launcher though, which have a 5% bonus. Means you don't really need to use a sisters launcher, which is a touch expensive for covops ships (though fine on a t3 scan boat obviously).
Of the other sub skills, acquisition V is the least useful because you can only have one t2 acq array on a ship at a time. Rangefinding V also has slightly limited use, because the arrays stack against scan strength rigs. Thus, if you wanted a second skill to get to V, I'd go pinpointing. When you have triple t2 pinpointing rigs, you can scan larger areas at once, and narrow down quicker on target sigs.
Rmember your implants also. 6% ones are only 25m or so, worth having on a dedicated scan toon. It might also be worth keeping an eye on how the prices of low grade virtues come down over time, the set might end up not too expensive. |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
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Posted - 2014.08.26 06:56:00 -
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When your scanning skills hit VI then you have too much, until then have at it. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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