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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:35:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:O2 jayjay wrote: LOL lets go troll ive play frogger and beat the game my first try. o wait youre a young buck and dont even know what i am talking about. go play COD and GTFO
Evidently that young buck knows this game better than you do, bringing the toons age into it makes you look a lot sillier than you already did. you may keep your femur, i have no need for a silly cane. I'm familiar with Frogger. I also remember Colecovision, and being able to play Atari 2600 cartridges on my 5200 with the adapter. Oh! And my C64. Man those were the days. None of which matters given that you are still an unmitigated git. what did i do =][= |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7522
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:37:00 -
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This is what happens when CCP lets ISD go on vacation. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23782
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:38:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what did i do Oh, you knowGǪ That thing with the guy back at the place? We're not supposed to talk about it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Intrepid Crossing
255
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:39:00 -
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Quote:In the OP linked from GM Lelouch
"Hello there,
To make a long story short, automation of gameplay is not permitted; players must be manually issuing the commands to control their character(s) at all times.
Our stance on programs such as Synergy and hardware/software combination such as the G15 keyboard is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated. Synergy allows you to move your mouse cursor to multiple different monitors which are hooked up to different computers and we do not have any qualms with players using the program for this purpose. If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed, but I am not aware of such a functionality with this program. If Synergy is used in conjunction with some other program to automate gameplay, it would not be permitted. G15 "macros" which allow you to group different commands into one keypress are allowed. For example, setting your G1 key to press F1, F2, F3 and so on for you with one key press is allowed (although this specific command is not as useful as it was before now that we have weapon grouping).
"Our stance on programs such as Synergy.... is that they can be legitimately used as long as gameplay isn't automated......If Synergy was used in some way to control your accounts for you without a need for you to be at your keyboard, then that would not be allowed..." |
Toshiro Hasegawa
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
48
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:39:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:ok - to heck with the debate about what GMs have said
lets move from theory onto reality ..
CCP bans botters for life CCP does not ban multiboxers at all
thats empirical truth you can take the bank. Consistency
Yes they consistently, for years now, ban botters and yes they consistently for years allow multiboxers
Because in one case someone is at the computer pressing buttons, and the other the person isnt. In one case a program does all the work with no need for human interaction - in the other player must be at their computer pressing buttons that do stuff. History is the study of change. |
Emma Muutaras
State War Academy Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:42:00 -
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multiboxing its self is not and should never be a bannable offence if you wanna alt tab through a list of clients thats your choice, however i think there is a fine line that needs to be made a little clearer between botting and isoboxing.
while i don't isobox and could be very wrong, from what i understand you click ya mouse/use keystrokes on 1 character and it mimics said mouse action/keystroke over multiple characters to me at least that sounds like boting.
i would argue the player is playing 1 character (the 1 he/she is imputing the commands on via mouse/keyboard) and a program is automating the other characters using the data that was imputed.
but alas i'm not ccp, though a update to the EULA/Rules would be nice
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Akashi Suenobu
Raven's Flight Northern Associates.
15
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:42:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Copy and paste from EULA
This does not forbid multiboxing. It just forbids using macros our third-party software (like a bot) to go faster than ordinary gameplay. If you aren't going any faster than you would at ordinary gameplay, multiboxing is allowed. I almost always run two characters, and I alt+tab between windows and keep them logged in at the same time. This is not against the EULA. I am also doing this on the same computer. |
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
340
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:43:00 -
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I'm calling OP a troll
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O2 jayjay
Tres Corvi INC. Mordus Angels
15
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:48:00 -
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Dont hate that i am trying to shut down your multi boxing world. that is why yall are freaking out. i have some really good ammo here and yall are trying to shut me down hard. Its okay. until someone get some actually evidence/ argument im not going anywhere. Or a Dev can just tell me to STFU and accept there decision. Until that happens bring on the pain ladies and gents. |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2774
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:48:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:O2 jayjay wrote: LOL lets go troll ive play frogger and beat the game my first try. o wait youre a young buck and dont even know what i am talking about. go play COD and GTFO
Evidently that young buck knows this game better than you do, bringing the toons age into it makes you look a lot sillier than you already did. you may keep your femur, i have no need for a silly cane. I'm familiar with Frogger. I also remember Colecovision, and being able to play Atari 2600 cartridges on my 5200 with the adapter. Oh! And my C64. Man those were the days. None of which matters given that you are still an unmitigated git. what did i do
Not you Ralph. That other guy.
Though now that Tippia mentions it, that thing with the guy at the place was kind of wierd De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
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Dersen Lowery
Narwhals Ate My Duck. Narwhals Ate My Duck
1183
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:49:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:If you dont like the fact that i am pushing to stop you multi boxing incursions then unsub and leave. Ill wait until i get a more appropriate answer that isnt from trolls.
Astonishingly for General Discussion, there's very little trolling in this thread. Bafflement? Exasperation? Amusement? Sure, but that's because you really need to step back, take deep breaths, and start your discussion from your dislike of ISBoxed incursions instead of railing about how people who run more than one account per machine should all be banned (pro tip: you can do that without any additional software! You just launch one client, then the other!).
There's an effort underway to collect feedback on Incursions as we speak. You could contribute to that if you'd like to, but in all seriousness: this approach will get you absolutely nowhere. You need a new argument, preferably with a lot less rage and a lot more analysis. What concrete advantages does someone ISBoxing incursions have over a fleet of individual pilots? What disadvantages? Start there.
ps: I've never used ISBoxer. It has no appeal to me. Even if it did, there isn't a Mac version. Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
O2 jayjay
Tres Corvi INC. Mordus Angels
15
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:49:00 -
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Akashi Suenobu wrote:O2 jayjay wrote:You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Copy and paste from EULA This does not forbid multiboxing. It just forbids using macros our third-party software (like a bot) to go faster than ordinary gameplay. If you aren't going any faster than you would at ordinary gameplay, multiboxing is allowed. I almost always run two characters, and I alt+tab between windows and keep them logged in at the same time. This is not against the EULA. I am also doing this on the same computer.
Alt Tabbing isnt multi boxing. This post isnt against alt tabbers. Alt tab all you want bro IDC |
Paranoid Loyd
1208
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:49:00 -
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You have no ammo, no one is freaking out, we are trying to explain that you are wrong. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23786
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:49:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:Dont hate that i am trying to shut down your multi boxing world. that is why yall are freaking out. Nope. The only one freaked out is you because you very clearly have no argument and it is starting to show that you have long since understood this. Your having to resort to lies and fallacies only demonstrates this fact even further.
Quote:i have some really good ammo here You should probably use it then because, so far, you've provided nothing to support your stance.
By the way, you should probably look up the concept of denying the antecedent, because this is where your lie about the GM statement comes from. It's why your entire line of reasoning is fallacious to the very core. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3635
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what did i do Oh, you knowGǪ That thing with the guy back at the place? We're not supposed to talk about it. How could you possibly know about that?! Who told you! =][= |
Toshiro Hasegawa
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:53:00 -
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personally i think that multiboxing 3rd party apps are wrong .. and should be banned .. somehow .. but thats just me and not CCP.
I use up to 4 accounts at once .. and alt tab between them
the multibox tool allows you to do stuff faster than one person could do .. but only every so slightly .
if i had 4 accounts windowed .. and used mouse select + hotkeys i could probably do stuff really fast .. maybe not for 45 accounts .. but .. for 8 or something .. but no where near as fast a multiboxer app would allow me .. so there is a slight benifit to using them that makes things "faster" than just normally playing the game.
but this difference is allmost trivial by my exacting standards ... and for CCP they have made their position clear by their actions.
but one could play devil's advocate and say that usingt DOTLan to plan jump routes is "using a 3rd party app to make something happen faster in game, or the eve fitting tool, or a skillplanner" They all incur a time benefit to the player that they could not get without those tools. So where do you draw the line ... Well CCP gets to draw that line and they have .. clearly.
History is the study of change. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
317
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:54:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:Akashi Suenobu wrote:O2 jayjay wrote:You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Copy and paste from EULA This does not forbid multiboxing. It just forbids using macros our third-party software (like a bot) to go faster than ordinary gameplay. If you aren't going any faster than you would at ordinary gameplay, multiboxing is allowed. I almost always run two characters, and I alt+tab between windows and keep them logged in at the same time. This is not against the EULA. I am also doing this on the same computer. Alt Tabbing isnt multi boxing. This post isnt against alt tabbers. Alt tab all you want bro IDC
"Alt Tabbing isnt multi boxing."
Bill Clinton, is that you? Ollie North? Do we need to define the word "is" before we continue? |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2783
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:55:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:Dont hate that i am trying to shut down your multi boxing world. that is why yall are freaking out. We're freaking out because you are consistently lying, misrepresenting CCP's direct quotes, and generally being an annoying troll. Frankly, you have about as much chance of getting CCP to reverse their stance as I do of being the next King of England.
O2 jayjay wrote:i have some really good ammo here and yall are trying to shut me down hard. You have jack squat, as has been pointed out to you multple times in this thread. Well, you have your delusions. I guess those can count.
O2 jayjay wrote: Its okay. until someone get some actually evidence/ argument im not going anywhere. They have, and you still won't leave. That's ok, at least you're consistent in your inability to do anything honestly.
O2 jayjay wrote: Or a Dev can just tell me to STFU and accept there decision. Why should they? What makes you some special snowflake worthy of their time when they have already, repeatedly, and consistently answered this question. In fact, as I have pointed out in other threads, CCP even went out of their way to specify that ISBoxer was ok, and reversed a ban given out for it several years ago (when the dowel arrangement made its debut). Nothing has changed on CCP's stance since that time.
And as I am a De'v (see it's even in my name!): STFU and accept CCP's decision on the matter. De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2783
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:56:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tippia wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:what did i do Oh, you knowGǪ That thing with the guy back at the place? We're not supposed to talk about it. How could you possibly know about that?! Who told you!
*cough* There might...maybe...be a youtube video. De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2783
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:58:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:
Alt Tabbing isnt multi boxing. This post isnt against alt tabbers. Alt tab all you want bro IDC
There is no facepalm strong enough for how stupid this post is. De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
812
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:58:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3069125#post3069125
"Hello ya'll, hope you're having a good day.
CCP Stillman recently wrote a dev blog about client modifications and our stance towards them. The dev blog also touched on the subject of third-party programs and I feel it is very relevant to the discussion in this thread. I encourage those of you who haven't read it to give it a look, this blog actually makes for great coffeetable reading and those of you who've already indulged may even want to print out your very own copy to share with friends and family!
Multiboxing is not inherently in violation of our EULA, a player is not breaking the EVE game rules by virtue of simultaneously operating multiple accounts alone. Multiboxing software can however be in violation of the EULA.
CCP can and will not officially endorse or condone specific pieces of third-party software and ISBoxer is no exception to this. I will make this very clear: CCP does not officially endorse ISBoxer or any other multiboxing software. Use of third-party programs is, as outlined in Stillman's blog, done entirely at your own risk and we'll quite simply not be able to state outright that this software or that software can be legitimately used under the EVE EULA since they are after all third-party programs.
Let us make an example to illustrate why:
'Hypothetical Software v1.0' is released to the joy of all and is eventually endorsed by CCP as a fine supplement to EVE; the program is officially declared to not be in violation of the EVE EULA/ToS. Some weeks later, the developers of 'Hypothetical Software' releases an update, version 1.1, an update which adds macro mining functionality to the program's existing features. Automating the mining portion of the game is obviously in violation of the EVE EULA so use of 'Hypothetical Software' would suddenly become a EULA violation despite prior endorsement by CCP.
There are a lot of great third-party developers creating fantastic tools to supplement the EVE experience and this is all fine and dandy. As EVE grows, so does the amount of third-party programs developed for EVE and we cannot realistically review and condone these tools on an individual basis and use of such programs is therefore done at your own risk.
We can prohibit and warn against the use of software which we know without a doubt to contain components which violate the EULA. Any program which enables the Autopilot to 0 client modification falls under this for example: if you use a piece of software which enables you to autopilot to 0, you can expect a permanent suspension of your account as you are in gross violation of the EULA.
In addition to CCP Stillman's blog which I linked at the top of this post, I'd also like to bring your attention to the following page which outlines our official policy on third-party programs: Third-party policies"
/thread
You can use third party software, you can use isbox, they can at any time ban it, use it at your own risk. End of thread. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
320
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Posted - 2014.08.07 18:59:00 -
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Jesus Christ in a Falcon!
Could this really just be a troll thread? Man, I would have to admit to be totally taken for a ride if that were the case. I am actually hoping the OP is really just unable to read and comprehend. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3638
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:02:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:O2 jayjay wrote:
Alt Tabbing isnt multi boxing. This post isnt against alt tabbers. Alt tab all you want bro IDC
There is no facepalm strong enough for how stupid this post is. yes there is =][= |
Yarda Black
The Black Redemption
341
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:04:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Jesus Christ in a Falcon!
Could this really just be a troll thread? Man, I would have to admit to be totally taken for a ride if that were the case. I am actually hoping the OP is really just unable to read and comprehend.
Despite the OP openly denying it; I'm still calling OP a troll
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De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
2783
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:05:00 -
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Notorious Fellon wrote:Jesus Christ in a Falcon!
Could this really just be a troll thread? Man, I would have to admit to be totally taken for a ride if that were the case. I am actually hoping the OP is really just unable to read and comprehend.
CCP - Jesus Christ in a Falcon is OP. Nerf Jesus. Nerf Falcon. And for the love of ******* god lock this damned thread. De'Veldrin's Corallary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1084
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:06:00 -
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Another I hate multiboxing thread.... Not like there's not already a few dozen of these already.
In before lock |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7526
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:07:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Notorious Fellon wrote:Jesus Christ in a Falcon!
Could this really just be a troll thread? Man, I would have to admit to be totally taken for a ride if that were the case. I am actually hoping the OP is really just unable to read and comprehend. CCP - Jesus Christ in a Falcon is OP. Nerf Jesus. Nerf Falcon. And for the love of ******* god lock this damned thread.
CCP Jesus could walk across water, therefore nerf power projection too.
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O2 jayjay
Tres Corvi INC. Mordus Angels
15
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:20:00 -
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This extends to multiboxing software. Some of the multiboxing software out there is powerful enough to count as GÇ£client modificationGÇ¥ if used for that purpose. Our stance on third-party software is that we do not endorse such software as we have no control over what it does. As such, we canGÇÖt say that multiboxing software isnGÇÖt against our EULA. But the same goes in this case, that unless we determine that people are doing things beyond GÇ£multiboxingGÇ¥, we will not be taking any action. We only care about the instances where people are messing with our process for the purposes of cheating, and running multiple clients at the same time is not in violation of our EULA in and of itself unless it involves trial accounts.
This Clearly states that Multi Boxing is fine. So you can Multi box away in your incursions.
But this also states using it to gain an unfair advantage over player Example ganking ect is not acceptable.
We do not endorse or condone the use of player-made software or any other third party applications or software that confers an unfair benefit to players. We may, in our discretion, tolerate the use of applications or other software that simply enhance player enjoyment in a way that maintains fair gameplay. However, if any third party application or other software is used to gain any unfair advantage, or is used for purposes beyond its intended use, or if the application or other software violates other parts of the EULA, we may fully enforce our rights to prohibit such use, including player bans. Please use player-made or other third party software at your own risk.
That information can be found here. http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/third-party-policies/?_ga=1.235170247.792540985.1403572578
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3640
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:23:00 -
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You are actually just making **** up as you go along. =][= |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
509
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Posted - 2014.08.07 19:26:00 -
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O2 jayjay wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:O2 jayjay wrote:I guess i am the only one the Reads the EULA top to bottom Nope you are the one taking it a face value. . . . . one player can do this and its fine while a different player did the same exact thing and gets ban . . . .
Guess what: CCP doesn't think they were doing the EXACT same thing. The problem here isn't selective enforcement of the EULA or favoritism or anything else. The problem is that you think that two different things are exactly the same.
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