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Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
236
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Posted - 2014.08.08 01:28:00 -
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As part of the NPE make ppl visit GD |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1072
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:06:00 -
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Generally the EVE tradition of "you will be bullied and humiliated and vilefied until you become a head prefect yourself at which time your role will be to bully and humiliate and vilefy all new players without fear favor or prejudice " suceeds very well.
Organisations like The Angel Project are however being helpful to new EVE players. This may encourage player retention. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
522
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:23:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:I know the topic is sarcastic, but I don't think we should try to get rid of people. People should make their own choices, and if an entertainment product like EVE is not for them, then so be it.
What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit.
Are you sure? I'm seeing some awfully good quitting candidates in this thread.
Turrents |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3379
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:39:00 -
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For the 15th million thread, CCP has to do nothing more than continue on their current plans to get rid of Eve players. The PCu and sub rate proves that. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
522
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:42:00 -
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Yeah, but how can we make it more and faster? Turrents |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
5538
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:52:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sibyyl wrote:What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit. The problem is the culture we should be creating/have can easily be misconstrued as a culture that encourages people to quit. If you come from other MMOs and just nibble at the edges (only do the things you are used to doing in other MMOs) you start to get a misconception of what the game really is. If you keep on nibbling long enough you reach the point that you become a viable target (meaning you have stuff other people want). If you are not prepared for this or have lead yourself to believe that you are in a game where people won't **** all over you if you give them the opportunity, you get really frustrated/angry and find yourself at a crossroad, you either give up or you learn from your mistakes and try again. This is how it should be but again is easily misconstrued by perception (mainly reading these forums and all of the idiotic blogs/media available). The reality is, this game is not for everyone. So player retention will always be difficult. I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around.
What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.
I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same.. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
5538
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:55:00 -
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Cap ITal wrote:For example. Cloak timer on ships with cloak + cyno fitted. so only active players can gather free intel and be in strategically valuable positions to drop cyno beacons. = Fair balance
Greifer response: No there's no harm what so ever in cloaked ships in your space go about your business and let us exploit timezones and rl to mean we can drop on targets out of your prime time at will. = stupid one sided view. Preserves only the game-play they take advantage of.
Carebear response: I want to mine with freedom at all times. why can people come to my space and shoot me at will. Remove cloak.... Make them be scan detectable. Make them use fuel make them unable to fit cyno. = one sided and removes a game style completely. My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
522
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:56:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Sibyyl wrote:What we shouldn't pursue is a culture that encourages people to quit. The problem is the culture we should be creating/have can easily be misconstrued as a culture that encourages people to quit. If you come from other MMOs and just nibble at the edges (only do the things you are used to doing in other MMOs) you start to get a misconception of what the game really is. If you keep on nibbling long enough you reach the point that you become a viable target (meaning you have stuff other people want). If you are not prepared for this or have lead yourself to believe that you are in a game where people won't **** all over you if you give them the opportunity, you get really frustrated/angry and find yourself at a crossroad, you either give up or you learn from your mistakes and try again. This is how it should be but again is easily misconstrued by perception (mainly reading these forums and all of the idiotic blogs/media available). The reality is, this game is not for everyone. So player retention will always be difficult. I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around. What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong. I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same..
Hazing is for haters. Turrents |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8568
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Posted - 2014.08.08 02:57:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around.
What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.
I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same..
Perhaps this is the language barrier talking, but would you please lay out how these are supposed to be different?
Driving away the wrong kind of player and encouraging the right kind are very often one and the same. EVE's very design often serves to drive away the wrong kind of player.
Or are you speaking more philosophically, about not accidentally driving away the right kind of player? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
507
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:00:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:stoicfaux wrote:Well, I've heard that misogyny cut the player population by almost half. Maybe we should try misandry?
Since clearly no women play Eve, would this mean we require a period? (snipped) The way people *****, whine, and moan around here about anything and everything, you'd think they were on a constant rag... |
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1073
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:04:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Cap ITal wrote:For example. Cloak timer on ships with cloak + cyno fitted. so only active players can gather free intel and be in strategically valuable positions to drop cyno beacons. = Fair balance
Greifer response: No there's no harm what so ever in cloaked ships in your space go about your business and let us exploit timezones and rl to mean we can drop on targets out of your prime time at will. = stupid one sided view. Preserves only the game-play they take advantage of.
Carebear response: I want to mine with freedom at all times. why can people come to my space and shoot me at will. Remove cloak.... Make them be scan detectable. Make them use fuel make them unable to fit cyno. = one sided and removes a game style completely. My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid.
Truly ?
I would have expected vampires.
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stoicfaux
5240
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:05:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.
To be fair, CCP has been actively improving the UI.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
5548
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:15:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Sibyyl wrote: I think that if we as players contribute to the atmosphere of EVE being brutal, unforgiving, and infinitely complex I think that's fine. It just means that a better caliber of player will stick around.
What I mean is this can easily turn into a hazing environment, which I don't think is good to do to other human beings. People shouldn't have to feel like they pass some cryptic social test just to belong.
I think a lot of people (mistakenly) think that these two things are the same..
Perhaps this is the language barrier talking, but would you please lay out how these are supposed to be different? Driving away the wrong kind of player and encouraging the right kind are very often one and the same. EVE's very design often serves to drive away the wrong kind of player. Or are you speaking more philosophically, about not accidentally driving away the right kind of player? A lot of player corp cultures can develop versions of hazing, which often have nothing to do with how good a player might be at EVE. To me, hazing is "damage" that we might cause each other on a personal level for no real benefit to how the game is played.
A player can join a corp, get awoxed, robbed, and kicked out and then may decide to quit EVE. I consider this to be an in-game reason for the player to come to the decision.
A player can join a corp, never mesh with the corp culture, get ridiculed, has a terrible time and decides to quit EVE. I don't consider this to be a "good" reason for them to quit.
The same can be said of interactions on a forum like this one, or reddit. Dominant opinions can sometimes take a life of their own, and if they are expressed in ways that are over-zealous then one might just be speaking "to the man" instead of "to the argument". For example, we can get pretty carried away on reddit with downvote brigades. It's a poor way of communication, if it happens to be the primary vehicle of argumentation.
Hope that makes sense. The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8568
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:19:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: Hope that makes sense.
I am clear on your point now, yes.
One of those things is no great loss, the other may very well be. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
5555
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:20:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Sibyyl wrote:My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid. Truly ? I would have expected vampires. For these occasions you should always be prepared (btw, best vampire movie ever). The Muppets: P+¦pc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
524
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:28:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Sibyyl wrote:My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid. Truly ? I would have expected vampires. For these occasions you should always be prepared (btw, best vampire movie ever).
Oh, I miss the days when vampire movies didn't involve sparkletards and teenage girls and Kristen Stewart. Turrents |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
525
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Posted - 2014.08.08 03:46:00 -
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I wonder if bad jokes will cause people to leave?
A little girl goes into a pet shop and asks for a wabbit. The clerk thinks that's just the cutest thing. So he takes her over to the rabbit pen and gets down on his knees. "Would you like the little fluffy white wabbit? Or how about the cute little brown wabbit over here?"
The girl leans over to him and says, "I weally don't think my python gives a f***."
Turrents |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1074
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Posted - 2014.08.08 04:19:00 -
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Glathull wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Sibyyl wrote:My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid. Truly ? I would have expected vampires. For these occasions you should always be prepared (btw, best vampire movie ever). Oh, I miss the days when vampire movies didn't involve sparkletards and teenage girls and Kristen Stewart.
This one has a teenage girl but no sparkly types:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_Me_In_%28film%29 |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
686
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Posted - 2014.08.08 04:46:00 -
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Glathull wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:Sibyyl wrote:My personal problem with cloaking is that it inevitably leads to Klingons landing on grid. Truly ? I would have expected vampires. For these occasions you should always be prepared (btw, best vampire movie ever). Oh, I miss the days when vampire movies didn't involve sparkletards and teenage girls and Kristen Stewart.
Teenage girls, Kristen Stewart, Corey Feldman. I'm not seeing a difference. |
Glathull
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
528
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Posted - 2014.08.08 04:50:00 -
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My very limited understanding of the twilight universe is that teenage girls = werewolves, sparkletards = sparkletards, and Kristen Stewart = soul-sucking human leech stuck to the ass of society. I'm still unclear if there are any actual vampires involved. Turrents |
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flakeys
Guinea pigs inc.
2397
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Posted - 2014.08.08 07:26:00 -
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Glathull wrote:
Step one: war dec anyone who has to google Stepford wife.
Well looks like i'll be getting a wardec from RvB today .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Captain Soju
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.08.08 10:09:00 -
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I think some of the pixel elitist bittervets and bitternewbs here should definitely be taught a lesson by the success of WoW, the first true MMO. An eternal newbie's guide to the world of Eve Online - http://captainsoju.blogspot.co.uk/ |
Serene Repose
1483
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Posted - 2014.08.08 10:14:00 -
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Another OP I do not understand. This is the start of trend I think. I wonder if my therapist will give me extra credit... I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8575
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Posted - 2014.08.08 10:14:00 -
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Captain Soju wrote:I think some of the pixel elitist bittervets and bitternewbs here should definitely be taught a lesson by the success of WoW, the first true MMO.
There aren't words for how dumb this post is.
For the sake of the last few shreds of my belief in humanity, I must classify the above as trolling. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
35
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Posted - 2014.08.08 10:17:00 -
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Good Evening,
Please be respectful of other players on this forum and refrain from attacks. I have locked this thread for rules below.
Quote:
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
22. Post constructively.
Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.
ISD Atomic Dove Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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