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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
531
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Posted - 2014.08.10 09:52:00 -
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So posting to let everyone know I'm hoping to have a town hall for wh bro's on the date above. I've been temp green lit to use SSC's joint TS.
Focus will be on the wormhole dev blog here, http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/into-the-known-unknowns/
Apologies for the short notice I'm hoping to sort a couple moderators and some one to mediate. With luck we should have a Dev or two there.
Ideally I'd like as many people there as possible espically people from lower class wormholes, If you are coming please make sure to read the dev blog before hand.
Once Ihave the final ok on TS details I'll post them as well.
Will probably be some other CSM people on as well but there will be no derailing from topic. Its a wormhole town hall first and only
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Winthorp
2512
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Posted - 2014.08.10 10:07:00 -
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+1
But as these things usually occur during my work time (Damn living in the best country in the world), will this get recorded and soundclouded please? |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
532
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Posted - 2014.08.10 10:29:00 -
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yeah recording shouldnt be a issue and getting it put up some where. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
136
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Posted - 2014.08.10 10:55:00 -
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+1 ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Bleedingthrough
Raptor Navy
88
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:28:00 -
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For any serious discussion about workload or what low class dwellers can realistically do etc. some data on how many pilots live in a WH by class would be extremely helpful.
Can CCP provide us with that? |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3625
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:35:00 -
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+1 Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
535
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Posted - 2014.08.10 11:43:00 -
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Bleedingthrough wrote:For any serious discussion about workload or what low class dwellers can realistically do etc. some data on how many pilots live in a WH by class would be extremely helpful.
Can CCP provide us with that?
probably yes Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
661
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:06:00 -
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Good deal Corbexx. Yaay!!!! |
Wander Prian
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
35
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:27:00 -
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+1 |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
1335
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Posted - 2014.08.10 12:42:00 -
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Since I wont be able to attend, I'll just put my feedback here.
Changes are generally good, with the exception of the new frigate holes that seem tailor made for nullsec fleets and the absolutely pants-on-head mass changes.
The mass changes will have the absolute opposite effect to what is intended. They will result in less capital usage and by extension less capital losses.
Anyways, good idea, +1 from me. |
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Ahost Gceo
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
162
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Posted - 2014.08.10 14:39:00 -
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I'm all about discussing how incredibly high on crack CCP must be for some of these changes to make sense to them. +1 I'm a friggin' banana. |
Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
39
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Posted - 2014.08.10 16:40:00 -
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+1 I'll trade my usual 48h work shift just for this. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
639
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:13:00 -
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Nice. Looking forward to this. Thanks corbexx.
I'm right behind you |
Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
112
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Posted - 2014.08.10 20:30:00 -
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Seems like a good idea, but how are you going to ensure that participants are truly low class wh dwellers?
If this is indeed verified, it will be an interesting discussion.
If this verification is not possible, I am just afraid it will be hijacked by people with different lobbying objectives... "surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/2014/05/ok-now-im-betting-man.html |
Winthorp
2516
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:12:00 -
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Saisin wrote:Seems like a good idea, but how are you going to ensure that participants are truly low class wh dwellers?
If this is indeed verified, it will be an interesting discussion.
If this verification is not possible, I am just afraid it will be hijacked by people with different lobbying objectives...
How will we indeed verify who you are? ohh wait you could post with your main right. |
Van Steiza
Whale Girth Grand Sky Wizards
66
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:16:00 -
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I'll be there Corbexx - I'll bring the bacon sammiches and beer. |
Chicken Exroofer
Regional Assault and Recon
24
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:22:00 -
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Good deal, way to CSM!
Will try to get in if the TS doesn't get overloaded. Three year C3 dweller, I would be interested to here what people have to say and if any feedback is given from CCP at all. Not holding my breath there.
We CAN adapt to all these changes, but saying it again. This will make LESS content, not more. |
Icarus Able
The Scope Gallente Federation
435
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Posted - 2014.08.10 21:26:00 -
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Up until last week i was a c4 dweller. I'll try and make it. |
BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
103
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Posted - 2014.08.11 01:27:00 -
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I'll try to make it, assuming I remember |
Mal Nina
The Red Circle Inc. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
58
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:04:00 -
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questions for the devs since I believe it is important to understand the data sets they are working with and what might be the problems they are seeing.
Is WH space population growing or shrinking and where is it doing it. (are large entities getting larger? What type of space are the players in)
Is PVP (deaths) increasing or decreasing in WH space? who is dying and who is responsible for the killing. Is the killing ganks, or "real PVP" and how much are the WH corps killing things in null and low as apposed to wh space... (are we the only corp hitting the NS community much harder than the WH community since we can find targets there?)
How much isk is generated in WH space and by what type of entities in what types of WH space. Is it considered excessive, is it out of line with same age players in other types of space?
The charts they have given are a start and they show C6 space as being the main NPC killing area by far. But they lacked a lot of detail in the demographics of the entities doing what they do... Those player kills could all be big fish killing the little fish.
It would just be good to fully understand why the devs think there needs to be mechanical changes and what they hope to gain from them. As I read between the lines it appears they see a disparity between isk generation and isk destruction in WH space. Yet isk destruction may be a problem if WH space is finding itself shrinking in population and what population remains is getting consolidated into fewer WHs. That is a different problem than the one that is generating the current round of changes.
Thanks for hosting this conference call, hope I can be on line... now I may have to load up teamspeak. :)
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
605
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Posted - 2014.08.11 02:10:00 -
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I'll be there to try and organize a dota game while people try to have a discussion and to make fun of nerds)) If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
268
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Posted - 2014.08.11 06:13:00 -
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Would love to be there.... Pitty about the time though. :(
So +1 in spirit... Although I think I make my position on the changes clear in the forum threads.
The changes are AWESOME! Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
Andiedeath
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
268
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Posted - 2014.08.11 06:33:00 -
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Andiedeath wrote:Would love to be there.... Pitty about the time though. :(
So +1 in spirit... Although I think I make my position on the changes clear in the forum threads.
The changes are AWESOME!
And sorry 'AWESOME' being...
1. Chains will stay open longer, so blue balls will occur less often. 2. Those that do roll wormholes will have support fleets and not just be one guy with a dread/orca and webbing loki alt. Which again equals more potential for fights. Again less blue balls... hopefully...
Yes I concede that population in wormholes will drop in the first instance although I see more PVP organisations entering for a new experience. This will in turn rebalance and even increase population from where it is now.
I know people don't like the status-quo being changed... But these changes AS A WHOLE should give wormhole space the shake up it needs to reinvigorate it.
If I remember correctly the changes to FW were suppose to kill it... But I'll say for at least the Caldari/Gallente side of the warzone I have only seen an increase in PVP. Yes there is more bears in stabbed ships that run away but there is also more people willing to fight which is fantastic. (unfortunately not the battleship fights of old... but fights none the less). Director Swift Angels Alliance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3247397#post3247397 INGAME CHANNEL: Sefem Public |
ISK Lord
Negative Density No Response
11
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Posted - 2014.08.11 06:46:00 -
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Good job organizing this Corbexx. I'll be there.
Can we confirm which Devs will be attending and the format of the discussion? |
Marox Calendale
Human League
28
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Posted - 2014.08.11 08:07:00 -
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Mal Nina wrote:questions for the devs since I believe it is important to understand the data sets they are working with and what might be the problems they are seeing.
Is WH space population growing or shrinking and where is it doing it. (are large entities getting larger? What type of space are the players in)
Is PVP (deaths) increasing or decreasing in WH space? who is dying and who is responsible for the killing. Is the killing ganks, or "real PVP" and how much are the WH corps killing things in null and low as apposed to wh space... (are we the only corp hitting the NS community much harder than the WH community since we can find targets there?)
How much isk is generated in WH space and by what type of entities in what types of WH space. Is it considered excessive, is it out of line with same age players in other types of space?
The charts they have given are a start and they show C6 space as being the main NPC killing area by far. But they lacked a lot of detail in the demographics of the entities doing what they do... Those player kills could all be big fish killing the little fish.
It would just be good to fully understand why the devs think there needs to be mechanical changes and what they hope to gain from them. As I read between the lines it appears they see a disparity between isk generation and isk destruction in WH space. Yet isk destruction may be a problem if WH space is finding itself shrinking in population and what population remains is getting consolidated into fewer WHs. That is a different problem than the one that is generating the current round of changes.
Thanks for hosting this conference call, hope I can be on line... now I may have to load up teamspeak. :)
According to this, can we have a definition of what scale means "large Wormhole Entities" and what would be small? |
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
11
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Posted - 2014.08.11 08:09:00 -
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Frankly, this needs to be limited to CEO's and 2nd in commands.
Its going to be an absolute and utter shitshow if its anyone and everyone.
CEO's need to collect the opinions of their pilots and bring it to the table at this meeting, otherwise its going to be a complete donkey show.
IMHO. |
Winthorp
2522
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Posted - 2014.08.11 09:23:00 -
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Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:Frankly, this needs to be limited to CEO's and 2nd in commands or representatives.
Its going to be an absolute and utter shitshow if its anyone and everyone.
CEO's need to collect the opinions of their pilots and bring it to the table at this meeting, otherwise its going to be a complete donkey show.
IMHO.
Yeah i tend to lean towards this myself and why i said will it be structured as these seem to have a history of being a few random loud neckbeard guys that talk over everyone including the hosts. |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
525
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Posted - 2014.08.11 12:23:00 -
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If it's moderated, there won't be much of an issue. (Please use a moderated channel?) |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
547
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Posted - 2014.08.11 12:29:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Chesterfield Fancypantz wrote:Frankly, this needs to be limited to CEO's and 2nd in commands or representatives.
Its going to be an absolute and utter shitshow if its anyone and everyone.
CEO's need to collect the opinions of their pilots and bring it to the table at this meeting, otherwise its going to be a complete donkey show.
IMHO. Yeah i tend to lean towards this myself and why i said will it be structured as these seem to have a history of being a few random loud neckbeard guys that talk over everyone including the hosts.
Yeah we can sort a moderated channel so we wont have to listen to everyone shout. I personally don't want to limit it tojust ceo or diplos rather everyone was allowed to come.
We'll have a channel set up where people can ask question in for the town hall. and I'll have a couple people in charge of asking them.
dev coming is to be confirmed.
ooh if you can't make it but still want to ask questions. send them to me in a mail with the topic "question for townhall" I'll note these down and try go through as many as possible. cant garentee them all though. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1720
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Posted - 2014.08.11 12:34:00 -
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I have a bunch of questions Is it ok if i mail them to you cobrexx, so you (or your people) can read them out for me?
Edit: corbexx wrote:[quote=Winthorp] ooh if you can't make it but still want to ask questions. send them to me in a mail with the topic "question for townhall" I'll note these down and try go through as many as possible. cant garentee them all though.
cool, i'll do that then. +1 |
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Winthorp
2522
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Posted - 2014.08.11 13:08:00 -
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Solid stuff Corbexx i look forward to listening to it later. I won't mail any questions on this one i have been pretty vocal on these changes already. |
Alundil
Isogen 5
639
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Posted - 2014.08.11 13:24:00 -
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Winthorp wrote:Solid stuff Corbexx i look forward to listening to it later. I won't mail any questions on this one i have been pretty vocal on these changes already. Same here.
I'm right behind you |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
432
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Posted - 2014.08.11 13:53:00 -
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As always DTP (at least myself) will be there and privide a raw recording. Host of Down The Pipe-áIngame Channel DTP Podcast www.downthepipe-wh.com GÇïIsogen 5 is recruiting. Check us out
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Samantha Elroy
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
5
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:02:00 -
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Sign me in :) Thanks Corbexx for the organization
+1 |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
606
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Posted - 2014.08.11 14:12:00 -
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Samantha Elroy wrote:Sign me in :) Thanks Corbexx for the organization
+1
My second true love has come to the forums my life is complete <33 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Torin Nazimar Jaynara
Blue-Fire
10
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:09:00 -
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I personally won't be able to attend work hours suck. I will appoint a member if the CEO rule is implanted. And will mail you a list.
As far as the changes I like all except frig holes and distance by mass. |
Rob Cobb
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
23
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Posted - 2014.08.11 20:17:00 -
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confirming attendance, i too want to know what drugs they are on.
Not to hijack your thread or anything, but Straw polls to get an idea of what the community wants and what the general concensus is beforehand here.
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IAmSeannn
Pandora Sphere Disavowed.
16
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Posted - 2014.08.11 22:26:00 -
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+1. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11026
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:35:00 -
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Confirming that I'll be there. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1722
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Posted - 2014.08.11 23:37:00 -
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Oh man, are you in for a fun night! +1 |
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Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
115
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Posted - 2014.08.12 00:42:00 -
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Sounds awsome Corbexx, hopefully this will be more productive than the cancerous abortion the wormhole community had last time. Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back. |
MaxDEL
Quantum Explosion E X P L O S I O N
99
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Posted - 2014.08.12 04:55:00 -
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+100500 =ƒÿë |
Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
197
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Posted - 2014.08.12 05:20:00 -
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I will miss this due to work but look forward to listening afterwards.
Also.........
Corbexx via Fozzie and crew
Is there any chance for curiosity sake to see numbers for amount of wormholes generated and killed less then an hour after spawning in an average day? Is that even something you guys track backend wise? You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Nelly Uanos
Quebec's Underdog League Quebec United Legions
23
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Posted - 2014.08.12 06:27:00 -
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Will try to be there... If I remember about it... happen to have a Alliance tournament right before it so chance i'll forget is VERY HIGH! |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
790
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Posted - 2014.08.12 07:03:00 -
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2300 hours UK time so I will attempt to be there.
Will go round my alliance and ask if anyone wants anything brought to the attention of anyone / air their thoughts. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Pashko Morgan
Roid Gnash Pills
2
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Posted - 2014.08.12 15:47:00 -
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Great idea Corbexx. I'll try not to fall asleep and attend there. o/ |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
558
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:21:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote: Corbexx via Fozzie and crew
Is there any chance for curiosity sake to see numbers for amount of wormholes generated and killed less then an hour after spawning in an average day? Is that even something you guys track backend wise?
good ******* question i will ask. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
progodlegend
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
169
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:26:00 -
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I should be able to attend to help with mediating and to lend a theorycrafting hand.
I know I'm not the CSM wormhole rep, but I'm a 2nd year CSMer who's been locking horns with CCP on changes like this for over a year now, so I'll pitch in where I can and help guide the conversation towards constructive feed back if need be. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
616
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Posted - 2014.08.12 17:28:00 -
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progodlegend wrote: to help with mediating
My airhorn soundboard is ready If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Lamhoofd Hashur
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
10
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Posted - 2014.08.12 19:21:00 -
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Since I'm not sure whether our server host will be happy with me posting the TS details in public: In case anybody wants to come but does not have SSC's Joint Teamspeak details, do not hesitate to contact us to acquire them. Corbexx and most (bigger) w-space corps will also be able to help you out . |
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Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound
31
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:15:00 -
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As the CEO of a C4 wolf-rayet corp, it is my duty to attend this. While all of wormhole space is affected by these changes, it is hard to think of a class/effect wormhole that is more affected. With the addition of a static, as well as the drastic increase in small weapon damage, as well as the roaming frigate wormholes, that will have the previously noted damage bonus, there is a lot to consider.
I will be representing my members, many of which I have lived with in a C4 for well over a year. |
Winthorp
2526
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Posted - 2014.08.12 20:59:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:I should be able to attend to help with mediating and to lend a theorycrafting hand.
I know I'm not the CSM wormhole rep, but I'm a 2nd year CSMer who's been locking horns with CCP on changes like this for over a year now, so I'll pitch in where I can and help guide the conversation towards constructive feed back if need be.
Sure invite the most bipola null FC to come along....
I hope people ignore you like they do your jabber fleet pings. I do hope if you attend you are normal for once and do not end up like the last null CSM that had to be booted from comms the last WH townhall meeting... |
JN Jarvis
Anoikis Vergence Critically Unstable
3
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Posted - 2014.08.13 03:20:00 -
[53] - Quote
I'll be there to listen so +1.
BTW would someone teach me how to vote for the next CSM elections, I need to vote for corbexx... |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3650
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:15:00 -
[54] - Quote
corbexx wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote: Corbexx via Fozzie and crew Is there any chance for curiosity sake to see numbers for amount of wormholes generated and killed less then an hour after spawning in an average day? Is that even something you guys track backend wise?
good ******* question i will ask. whatever the number is, I bet you a million dollars it will drop drastically if the range spawn sh!t goes through... Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know Unsettled.
140
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Posted - 2014.08.13 07:23:00 -
[55] - Quote
Corbexx, if possible, could you get a answer from Fozzie if they have considered giving all wormholes a timer to automatically spawn the k162 ? And thus making it harder to isolate a system over an extended period of time? ~Bringer of happiness
http://collapsedbehind.blogspot.no/ |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
473
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Posted - 2014.08.13 08:46:00 -
[56] - Quote
corbexx wrote:I've been green lit to use SSC's joint TS. I will be collecting entry fees: 100 mil per WH corp, 150 mil for non-WH corp, a PLEX for NPC alts. Early-bird discounts are available. Book early to avoid disappointment.
W-Space Realtor |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1004
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Posted - 2014.08.13 09:16:00 -
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Corbexx, just a suggestion, when anyone quotes isk per hour earned in an hour, can the question be asked, is that rate achieved with using an alt for security scanning or wormhole control? Or is the testing done on the test server and therefore not requiring security.
The reason is that if one is using alts, the rate should take that into account, as alts like minerals for a miner are not free. And dscanning every few seconds does slow down mission completion time.
And of course, one may be disturbed, which either ends income generation or turns into PVP.
There is also the reality that running sleeper sites, requires time to secure the system, either through wormhole control, or through pos scanning and evaluation, and setting up safe points.
These need to be understood so that when comparing to null income deep in the blue or hisec, they do not appear out of balance.
Only a small part of the time spent in clearing sleeper sites is actually killing sleepers, especially in lower class holes where a response fleet is less likely to be available.
If a balance is decided without these points being taken into account Wormhole space will end up in real terms the lowest paying area in EVE.
Please point this out in the town hall. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Temba Ronin
299
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Posted - 2014.08.13 09:25:00 -
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progodlegend wrote:I should be able to attend to help with mediating and to lend a theorycrafting hand.
I know I'm not the CSM wormhole rep, but I'm a 2nd year CSMer who's been locking horns with CCP on changes like this for over a year now, so I'll pitch in where I can and help guide the conversation towards constructive feed back if need be.
Sounds like a great town hall meeting, first some want to have only CEOs and Alliance leaders speak and now we'll also have a CSM member moderating to keep us inline to give what he solely determines is "constructive feed back". Silly me I imagined a town hall meeting was for all the towns people not just the brass and those who give the politically correct constructive feed back.
I'll try to be there to listen to what you wise and powerful wizards of oz have to say that impacts all us little insignificant subscribers.
No doubt any thing I'd have to say would be ignored because I am no CEO and certainly not politically correct. Just a paying subscriber, because I'd ask why are you parading out this massive nerf for small wh corps giving them potentially "lots more risk" without a corresponding "lots more reward"?
It's not constructive feedback to ask CCP to live up to it's risk vs reward mantra is it? The Best Ship In EVE Online Is "Friendship", Power To The Players! |
Winthorp
2533
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Posted - 2014.08.13 09:47:00 -
[59] - Quote
Temba Ronin wrote:NPC ALT RAMBLINGS
RAMBLE
RAMBLE
Just another Plex for Ax it seems. |
Jez Amatin
Enso Corp
5
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:00:00 -
[60] - Quote
progodlegend wrote:I should be able to attend to help with mediating and to lend a theorycrafting hand.
I know I'm not the CSM wormhole rep, but I'm a 2nd year CSMer who's been locking horns with CCP on changes like this for over a year now, so I'll pitch in where I can and help guide the conversation towards constructive feed back if need be.
Request name change to Proboblegend or gtfo.
I know Corbexx has been on it, but I'm kinda more concerned with knowing ccp are actually taking feedback onboard - a lot has been given on forums with little in the way of comments from devs so far... And September is not that far away . |
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Zara Arran
Aperture Harmonics No Holes Barred
105
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:01:00 -
[61] - Quote
progodlegend wrote:I should be able to attend to help with mediating and to lend a theorycrafting hand.
I know I'm not the CSM wormhole rep, but I'm a 2nd year CSMer who's been locking horns with CCP on changes like this for over a year now, so I'll pitch in where I can and help guide the conversation towards constructive feed back if need be.
As a second year CSM representative, and appearantly interested in WHs (assumption), you might know for a longer time about (or have been involved with..) some of these changes to WHs. Curious about your opinion. What do you think about for instance the mass-based spawn distance when jumping into a WH change? |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out
1150
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:05:00 -
[62] - Quote
I'll be there to make sure there are both sides present and ensure it's a balanced discussion Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1724
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Posted - 2014.08.13 11:21:00 -
[63] - Quote
I hope you all put pressure on CCP to add new content to:
a) attract more players to wormhole space b) provide an extra incentive to live in C6 space +1 |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
530
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Posted - 2014.08.13 13:34:00 -
[64] - Quote
Jez Amatin wrote:I know Corbexx has been on it, but I'm kinda more concerned with knowing ccp are actually taking feedback onboard - a lot has been given on forums with little in the way of comments from devs so far... And September is not that far away . August 26, and Hyperion, is even closer than that.
Maybe CCP is waiting for the Town Hall before they announce anything, but odds are if they don't announce any updates or changes soon, history would seem to indicate that there won't be any before release.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
144
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Posted - 2014.08.13 15:41:00 -
[65] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Confirming that I'll be there.
Will you actually take people's concerns into consideration or are you going to go afk and go ahead with the bullshit mass-influencing-jumping-distance change that spawned a threadnaut? |
Kename Fin
Wormhole Engineers Greater Realms
8
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Posted - 2014.08.14 04:11:00 -
[66] - Quote
BayneNothos wrote: GǪ assuming I remember
QFT
But also - ditto. So many wormholes, so little time GǪ |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11049
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:49:00 -
[67] - Quote
Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Confirming that I'll be there. Will you actually take people's concerns into consideration or are you going to go afk and go ahead with the bullshit mass-influencing-jumping-distance change that spawned a threadnaut?
Yes, I will of course be taking peoples concerns into consideration. We always rely on communication with our community to improve our plans and virtually every aspect of these wormhole updates has been improved because of us taking feedback into consideration. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to be happy with every change, but it does mean that every voice gets heard.
Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Bane Nucleus
Assault and Battery Transmission Lost
1565
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Posted - 2014.08.14 10:21:00 -
[68] - Quote
I might be able to attend.
No trolling please |
Bane Nucleus
Assault and Battery Transmission Lost
1565
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Posted - 2014.08.14 10:23:00 -
[69] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote: b) provide an extra incentive to live in C6 space
Agreed. C6 space is devoid of isk and people. Need a fix, stat! No trolling please |
Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
116
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:25:00 -
[70] - Quote
Looking forward to it
just hope it stays civil. Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1730
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:45:00 -
[71] - Quote
Bane Nucleus wrote:Rek Seven wrote: b) provide an extra incentive to live in C6 space
Agreed. C6 space is devoid of isk and people. Need a fix, stat!
When was the last time you lived in C6 space?
The isk is great but PVP wise it's pretty dead. Some of us feel there should be a better incentive to live in C6 space instead of it just being about making MOAR ISK. +1 |
Winthorp
2546
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Posted - 2014.08.14 12:50:00 -
[72] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Bane Nucleus wrote:Rek Seven wrote: b) provide an extra incentive to live in C6 space
Agreed. C6 space is devoid of isk and people. Need a fix, stat! When was the last time you lived in C6 space? The isk is great but PVP wise it's pretty dead. Some of us feel there should be a better incentive to live in C6 space instead of it just being about making MOAR ISK.
I can't abide the C6 "why is my space dead conversation". If you can't look over C6 space cyclical history and answer yourself on why its dead then even CCP can't help you. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1730
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Posted - 2014.08.14 13:38:00 -
[73] - Quote
Don't be so cryptical Winthorp, tell me why C6 space is dead.
I believe all player activities are ruled by game mechanics and thus, game mechanic changes are the only way to change player behaviour but i would still like to hear your opinion. +1 |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
144
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:01:00 -
[74] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Confirming that I'll be there. Will you actually take people's concerns into consideration or are you going to go afk and go ahead with the bullshit mass-influencing-jumping-distance change that spawned a threadnaut? Yes, I will of course be taking peoples concerns into consideration. We always rely on communication with our community to improve our plans and virtually every aspect of these wormhole updates has been improved because of us taking feedback into consideration. That doesn't mean that everyone is going to be happy with every change, but it does mean that every voice gets heard. Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well.
Glad to hear it. |
Winthorp
2548
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:08:00 -
[75] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Don't be so cryptical Winthorp, tell me why C6 space is dead.
I believe all player activities are ruled by game mechanics and thus, game mechanic changes are the only way to change player behaviour but i would still like to hear your opinion.
Search my post history enough and you will find it. I have raged way too many times at stupid "Why is my C6 space lacking targets" posts. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
627
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:13:00 -
[76] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Don't be so cryptical Winthorp, tell me why C6 space is dead.
I believe all player activities are ruled by game mechanics and thus, game mechanic changes are the only way to change player behaviour but i would still like to hear your opinion. Search my post history enough and you will find it. I have raged way too many times at stupid "Why is my C6 space lacking targets" posts.
If your C6 is lacking targets, go find a hole with a better target.. ez pz If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1730
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:31:00 -
[77] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Don't be so cryptical Winthorp, tell me why C6 space is dead.
I believe all player activities are ruled by game mechanics and thus, game mechanic changes are the only way to change player behaviour but i would still like to hear your opinion. Search my post history enough and you will find it. I have raged way too many times at stupid "Why is my C6 space lacking targets" posts.
I'm not about to search through hundreds of posts to find the one relevant comment you made that one time... No offence.
I'll just presume you said something like: "c6 space is dead because you all blob your targets and now your targets have left". I don't think that solves the issue that i would like solving. +1 |
Winthorp
2549
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Posted - 2014.08.14 14:43:00 -
[78] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:Winthorp wrote:Rek Seven wrote:Don't be so cryptical Winthorp, tell me why C6 space is dead.
I believe all player activities are ruled by game mechanics and thus, game mechanic changes are the only way to change player behaviour but i would still like to hear your opinion. Search my post history enough and you will find it. I have raged way too many times at stupid "Why is my C6 space lacking targets" posts. I'm not about to search through hundreds of posts to find the one relevant comment you made that one time... No offence. I'll just presume you said something like: "c6 space is dead because you all blob your targets and now your targets have left". I don't think that solves the issue that i would like solving.
That's a fair point i do post a lot...
Its not just that you blobbed them and they left though is it and you know it. C6 space has a very robust history of mass evictions that occur over and over again, don't even try to deny that ****. Due to the ease of rage rolling in the 113 (116/126? i forget) C6's that exist you can reliably seed and evict anyone in C6 space you want that shows the slightest sign of weakness and you all do.
It's not even that it happened in the past, you guys still do it and still want to do it. Hell in rolled out we were approached to help with the C6 "cleansing" and we had to politely tell them to fuckoff.
Until you guys in C6 space can grow up and not evict every bit of content you will ever have then there quite literally is nothing at all that CCP could ever add to C6 space to make it the wonderland you desire, and if that's not enough you all go and ask CCP to make you a sweet little C7 space.... Give me a break. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1730
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:00:00 -
[79] - Quote
I agree with your assessment 100% winthorp but where you would combat human behaviour with wishful thinking, I would do it through mechanic changes and game play additions.
IMO C6 space should be the best class of wormhole (or the wormhole endgame) but if you take isk out of the equation; what's good about C6 space? +1 |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
99
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:46:00 -
[80] - Quote
Will there be a recording available afterwards? since 22:00 EVE time isnt exactly optimal for Eastern EU TZ especially if the town hall goes on for several hours |
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Missy Bunnz
Team Pizza The Hole Next Door
15
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:15:00 -
[81] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well.
Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie?
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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
565
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:23:00 -
[82] - Quote
Naraish Adarn wrote:Will there be a recording available afterwards? since 22:00 EVE time isnt exactly optimal for Eastern EU TZ especially if the town hall goes on for several hours
yes will be recorded.and first post updated with ts server info.
I'll try and get on before hand so people can chat to me about general stuff before it starts
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
11054
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:06:00 -
[83] - Quote
Missy Bunnz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie?
There's only ever been one Fozzie, and I definitely don't have the original Fozzie locked in a cage in my basement. Nothing to see here. Game Designer | Team Five-0 https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/ |
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Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
164
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:20:00 -
[84] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Missy Bunnz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie? There's only ever been one Fozzie, and I definitely don't have the original Fozzie locked in a cage in my basement. Nothing to see here.
Hmmmm. . . . Perhaps Fozzie has a sideline that deals with ex-devs twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á TDSIN Recruitment Director : Join 'TDSIN pub' Glasgow Meet Organiser
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1019
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:03:00 -
[85] - Quote
Glasgow Dunlop wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Missy Bunnz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie? There's only ever been one Fozzie, and I definitely don't have the original Fozzie locked in a cage in my basement. Nothing to see here. Hmmmm. . . . Perhaps Fozzie has a sideline that deals with ex-devs
Well there is that burger place they seem to go to a lot, or so I hear.............. The worrying thing is that I have never seen a picture of Iceland that includes a cow! There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
164
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:31:00 -
[86] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:Glasgow Dunlop wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Missy Bunnz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie? There's only ever been one Fozzie, and I definitely don't have the original Fozzie locked in a cage in my basement. Nothing to see here. Hmmmm. . . . Perhaps Fozzie has a sideline that deals with ex-devs Well there is that burger place they seem to go to a lot, or so I hear.............. The worrying thing is that I have never seen a picture of Iceland that includes a cow!
Its a hotdog place, and iv seen the amount of folk that go there, and all they sell is hotdogs and soda, nothing else, in what can only be described as a small box.
perhaps that basement has some machines there . . . twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á TDSIN Recruitment Director : Join 'TDSIN pub' Glasgow Meet Organiser
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Jess Tanner
Bangworks Systems Inc.
118
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Posted - 2014.08.14 19:35:00 -
[87] - Quote
C6 space is a farmland, as almost every hole worth having (read : with decent effects) has someone living in it farming on a nearly daily basis. I would not call that dead, you just need some dedication to generate content there... Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back. |
Mister Tuggles
Faceless Men
92
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:49:00 -
[88] - Quote
All I really want to know from this is how the new static for the c4's are being determined.
Is it all mamby pamby random bullcrap, or was there actually some thought put behind it by CCP? |
Rastin Crysknife
The Nommo
27
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Posted - 2014.08.15 05:07:00 -
[89] - Quote
I will be attending as The Nommo's representative. We're a small low-class PvP corp, oh and we also live in a C2.
Looking forward to the exchange.
Glory to Bob. |
Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
37
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Posted - 2014.08.15 07:00:00 -
[90] - Quote
Starts at midnight, but ill try to make it there so I can relay to my folks. |
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Borsek
A.A.A
216
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Posted - 2014.08.15 09:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
I'll be there. Looking forward to the rabble rabble. |
ChrisLCTR
Lazerhawks
143
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:03:00 -
[92] - Quote
Really hope that this isn't going to turn into a ridiculous shouting match. Thank you Corbexx for the invitation, and everyone who will be recording it to provide for the ones not in attendance.
I'd suggest priority speakers being assigned (ie, CSM's, CCP Fozzie etc), and clear rules on how the rest of attendees are able to communicate. This may prevent this from turning into an unproductive heated free-for-all.
I would hope that people can act like adults, even just for a little bit. Keep the laughter in Slaughter |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
569
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:12:00 -
[93] - Quote
ChrisLCTR wrote:Really hope that this isn't going to turn into a ridiculous shouting match. Thank you Corbexx for the invitation, and everyone who will be recording it to provide for the ones not in attendance.
I'd suggest priority speakers being assigned (ie, CSM's, CCP Fozzie etc), and clear rules on how the rest of attendees are able to communicate. This may prevent this from turning into an unproductive heated free-for-all.
I would hope that people can act like adults, even just for a little bit.
there wont be any shouting (unless its me) cos only a few people will have priority speaker. all questions will be through a channel or from the list i have of questions people have sent in to me.
Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
ChrisLCTR
Lazerhawks
143
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:17:00 -
[94] - Quote
Awesome. I like structure. Keep the laughter in Slaughter |
Pavel Sohaj
Anoikis Exploration
37
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Posted - 2014.08.15 12:20:00 -
[95] - Quote
Yeah, me too.
But there is always smth to the FFA mode. |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1024
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Posted - 2014.08.15 15:36:00 -
[96] - Quote
corbexx wrote:ChrisLCTR wrote:Really hope that this isn't going to turn into a ridiculous shouting match. Thank you Corbexx for the invitation, and everyone who will be recording it to provide for the ones not in attendance.
I'd suggest priority speakers being assigned (ie, CSM's, CCP Fozzie etc), and clear rules on how the rest of attendees are able to communicate. This may prevent this from turning into an unproductive heated free-for-all.
I would hope that people can act like adults, even just for a little bit. there wont be any shouting (unless its me) cos only a few people will have priority speaker. all questions will be through a channel or from the list i have of questions people have sent in to me.
The " one universally hated change" would create so much disruption, there would be absolutely no chance to discuss anything else, It would be really good If Fozzie opened up the town hall with the statement,
" we have considered the responses and suggestions we have received, and decided that with the other changes and how they have changed and improved through such excellent feedback, we feel our goals have been met at this point, so we will not be implementing the mass spawn change with this release, but we may revisit it at a later time should we feel it necessary."
Then we can move on to a sensible discussion.
Otherwise we are just going to get completely bogged down, and achieve nothing but anger and bad feelings. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Raithe Deninard
Periphery Bound
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:37:00 -
[97] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Missy Bunnz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie? There's only ever been one Fozzie, and I definitely don't have the original Fozzie locked in a cage in my basement. Nothing to see here.
Firstly, Evil Fozzie should sacrifice the caged original Fozzie to Bob so as to gain enlightenment that only Bob can grant. I can be contacted for a list of suitable locations.
Secondly, the mass jump mechanic I see as being interesting, but it will not provide any additional substantial content. For the most part WHers are the same as the rest of humankind so we are lazy and that is the real reason why you won't see capitals being used to close WHs. Its because of the added 30 seconds to a minute required to get back to jump range, not the added chance of getting ganked that will stop Orca closings.
Thirdly, I have lived in C4 space for the majority of my EVE life, the last 8 months of it being in a C4 Wolf-Rayet, and I have some concerns on the small mass, long life, virtually uncollapsible random wormholes. While I appreciate and look forward to added chances for small gang, low isk risk, pvp fights(with massive small weapons damage bonus) these will spawn, our group actively recruits young pilots to train in the ways of Bob and providing hole security for them is often times paramount. If these wormholes pop up once a week we can live with that, but if they become an every other day occurrence they represent a problem that we will no doubt solve, but at what cost in activity and isk generation is the question.
Finally, on the additional static to C4s. Living in a C4 - C3static I find I have mixed feelings towards having a new static, which according to singularity will be a C4 for us. While I appreciate the added income this represents it will also force us to throw our safety net out farther (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) which will require more pilots (which may break smaller corps; I feel this is an unintended consequence). Being connected to the C4 super highway is a dramatic change from our backwater that we love so dearly and as long as it isn't a change meant to pander to those large C5/C6 Corps or just a change for the sake of changing we will adapt and no doubt continue to thrive.
I will end by reminding everyone of the fiercely independent nature of wormholers and our willingness to join together to destroy all nonbelievers who enter our domain.
GLORY TO BOB W-Space: A place to learn who you are, your friends are, and to praise Bob. |
Charles Swan
Periphery Bound
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:25:00 -
[98] - Quote
Raithe Deninard wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Missy Bunnz wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Of course that's exactly what we'd expect Evil Fozzie to say as well. Wait? There's a non-Evil Fozzie? There's only ever been one Fozzie, and I definitely don't have the original Fozzie locked in a cage in my basement. Nothing to see here. Firstly, Evil Fozzie should sacrifice the caged original Fozzie to Bob so as to gain enlightenment that only Bob can grant. I can be contacted for a list of suitable locations. Secondly, the mass jump mechanic I see as being interesting, but it will not provide any additional substantial content. For the most part WHers are the same as the rest of humankind so we are lazy and that is the real reason why you won't see capitals being used to close WHs. Its because of the added 30 seconds to a minute required to get back to jump range, not the added chance of getting ganked that will stop Orca closings. Thirdly, I have lived in C4 space for the majority of my EVE life, the last 8 months of it being in a C4 Wolf-Rayet, and I have some concerns on the small mass, long life, virtually uncollapsible random wormholes. While I appreciate and look forward to added chances for small gang, low isk risk, pvp fights(with massive small weapons damage bonus) these will spawn, our group actively recruits young pilots to train in the ways of Bob and providing hole security for them is often times paramount. If these wormholes pop up once a week we can live with that, but if they become an every other day occurrence they represent a problem that we will no doubt solve, but at what cost in activity and isk generation is the question. Finally, on the additional static to C4s. Living in a C4 - C3static I find I have mixed feelings towards having a new static, which according to singularity will be a C4 for us. While I appreciate the added income this represents it will also force us to throw our safety net out farther (which isn't necessarily a bad thing) which will require more pilots (which may break smaller corps; I feel this is an unintended consequence). Being connected to the C4 super highway is a dramatic change from our backwater that we love so dearly and as long as it isn't a change meant to pander to those large C5/C6 Corps or just a change for the sake of changing we will adapt and no doubt continue to thrive. I will end by reminding everyone of the fiercely independent nature of wormholers and our willingness to join together to destroy all nonbelievers who enter our domain. GLORY TO BOB
Our Lord will strike with glorious anger and righteous vengeance, For Bob is love, Bob is Life. |
Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound
34
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Posted - 2014.08.15 22:14:00 -
[99] - Quote
[quote=Raithe Deninard
GLORY TO BOB[/quote]
All of our new pilots are trained in the art of hole control, lest ye be judged by Bob for your lack of respect.
Should a wormhole open unto thee thou shalt engage in combat, whether covert or in plain light.
If their numbers are too great you shall respect Bob by not being covered in the blue light of the spheres of protection, but instead lying in wait for your prey to drop their guard.
If you are to log out, Bob will make sure that any loses you avoid will be paid in double, and that any isk you fly in space shall be forfeit.
GLORY TO BOB!
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Ktersida Nyn'Amanyn
Querschlaeger
5
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Posted - 2014.08.16 14:53:00 -
[100] - Quote
Little bit too late for me. Anyway, don't forgot to ask about the rebalance of the PvE content in wormholes and when this could come to TQ! |
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Toecutter Helsson
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.08.16 16:53:00 -
[101] - Quote
I feel dirty just posting in this forum when I could be out looking for targets, much less spending a few hours listening to WHers complaints but: RoA will be there to help represent smaller PvP Corps. Specifically those living in "Low Class" WHs that fly in fleets with fewer than 4 Guardians at a time (i.e. - most WHers).
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Durandal Thoth
The Real OC The ROC
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:45:00 -
[102] - Quote
+1 C2 Dweller |
Scarlet Nobleonce
Dominion Enterprise Psychosomatic.
5
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:56:00 -
[103] - Quote
TS? |
corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
585
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:01:00 -
[104] - Quote
Scarlet Nobleonce wrote:TS?
townhall.fcftw.org
but is on first page. Corbexx for CSM 9 - Wormholes deserve better |
Wander Prian
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
35
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:32:00 -
[105] - Quote
30min to go and 134 at the channel all ready for the townhall.... This is gonna be good |
Ghost RedFox
501st Rogue Squadron
0
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:04:00 -
[106] - Quote
Good day. CCP Fozzie do not you think that you are completely kill a class of WH as a pulsar? after all shild format ships and so the greatest signature in the game, and you make it even more, thereby increasing the number of times of applied thereon damage, as well shild ships suffer congenital problem cap be stable - and you amplify effect of Nos that automatically leads to dead shild format in a pulsar - for which and was created by this type of WH. In fact, it contributes only part of pvp and it armor fleets that specialize in Nos and murder Shild format, while in the WH designed for fleets armor you step position armor fleet - but as not to be destroyed this fleet.
Thank you for your attention, and please forgive me for any errors during the translete. |
God Likely
Steel and Strong
0
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:15:00 -
[107] - Quote
Hello.
I just like to share big part of the voice conversation(1:30h), the part that i see is that CCP doesn't care about WHers. You may download it here: https://mega.co.nz/#!mcNHBTIS!hAGUai9cnRZdxPy4xQCjDSIW36Pv21J_kC3n8d8R1Xc |
Klarion Sythis
Literally Solo
299
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:26:00 -
[108] - Quote
God Likely wrote:the part that i see is that CCP doesn't care about WHers.
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Winthorp
2608
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:43:00 -
[109] - Quote
After CCP left it was literally neckbeards talking over each other and as soon as you voice an opinion for the changes and why Wh's are so stale you just got talked over... Top stuff.
But i am glad 98% of people in attendance were the whos who from the 5 C5/6 corps that matter and just cried about how bad the changes are and how it will ruin Wh's. Every time a heard a guy that had x'd from a C1-4 corp speak up he was just spoken over buy one of the C5/6 neckbeards...
And you wonder why CCP is ignoring your side of the argument... |
Chesterfield Fancypantz
Radical Astronauts Plundering Eve WormHole Occupation and Resource Exploitation
12
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:48:00 -
[110] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:After CCP left it was literally neckbeards talking over each other and as soon as you voice an opinion for the changes and why Wh's are so stale you just got talked over... Top stuff.
But i am glad 98% of people in attendance were the whos who from the 5 C5/6 corps that matter and just cried about how bad the changes are and how it will ruin Wh's. Every time a heard a guy that had x'd from a C1-4 corp speak up he was just spoken over buy one of the C5/6 neckbeards...
And you wonder why CCP is ignoring your side of the argument...
Ending after fozzie left perhaps, but the people who were spoken over from the 1-4 corp, were the moderators, CSM rep, and fozzie himself.
The conversation was moderated. |
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AtomYcX
Hard Knocks Inc.
81
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:04:00 -
[111] - Quote
Recording here for anyone who missed it: http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/2driwx/recording_wormhole_town_hall_with_ccp_fozzie/ |
Winthorp
2609
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:36:00 -
[112] - Quote
Got a recording from someone smart enough to disable notifications while they are recording.... |
Rei Moon
Murderous Inc
43
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:23:00 -
[113] - Quote
So , what was the outcome? |
Scarlet Nobleonce
Dominion Enterprise Psychosomatic.
5
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:25:00 -
[114] - Quote
https://soundcloud.com/linearburn/eve-online-wh-round-table-8162014
Posted on Sound Cloud 3h 38m This is preety much the entire thing. I removed the notifications around the time fonzie got there. |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
442
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:40:00 -
[115] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:Got a recording from someone smart enough to disable notifications while they are recording....
http://downthepipe-wh.com/wh-townhall-august-2014/
you welcome. Official start to the point where fozzie leaves Host of Down The Pipe-áIngame Channel DTP Podcast www.downthepipe-wh.com GÇïIsogen 5 is recruiting. Check us out
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Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1156
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:55:00 -
[116] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:After CCP left it was literally neckbeards talking over each other and as soon as you voice an opinion for the changes and why Wh's are so stale you just got talked over... Top stuff.
But i am glad 98% of people in attendance were the whos who from the 5 C5/6 corps that matter and just cried about how bad the changes are and how it will ruin Wh's. Every time a heard a guy that had x'd from a C1-4 corp speak up he was just spoken over buy one of the C5/6 neckbeards...
And you wonder why CCP is ignoring your side of the argument... Hearing about how it went im glad I slept in and missed it Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Pashko Morgan
Roid Gnash Pills
2
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Posted - 2014.08.17 08:38:00 -
[117] - Quote
Sith1s Spectre wrote:Hearing about how it went im glad I slept in and missed it
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Sith1s Spectre wrote:I'll be there to make sure there are both sides present and ensure it's a balanced discussion
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pff |
unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
144
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Posted - 2014.08.17 09:38:00 -
[118] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:After CCP left it was literally neckbeards talking over each other and as soon as you voice an opinion for the changes and why Wh's are so stale you just got talked over... Top stuff.
But i am glad 98% of people in attendance were the whos who from the 5 C5/6 corps that matter and just cried about how bad the changes are and how it will ruin Wh's. Every time a heard a guy that had x'd from a C1-4 corp speak up he was just spoken over buy one of the C5/6 neckbeards...
And you wonder why CCP is ignoring your side of the argument... Strange i remember to hear c1-c4 corps speak up and also don't like it... . |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1736
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Posted - 2014.08.17 11:24:00 -
[119] - Quote
Winthorp wrote:After CCP left it was literally neckbeards talking over each other and as soon as you voice an opinion for the changes and why Wh's are so stale you just got talked over... Top stuff.
But i am glad 98% of people in attendance were the whos who from the 5 C5/6 corps that matter and just cried about how bad the changes are and how it will ruin Wh's. Every time a heard a guy that had x'd from a C1-4 corp speak up he was just spoken over buy one of the C5/6 neckbeards...
And you wonder why CCP is ignoring your side of the argument...
Really, because i heard the opposite... People just hear what they want to hear i guess.
Overall i agree that the changes are for the best, however, i they result in decreased activity, i hope CCP are willing to introduce something new to fix that.
Also, it was interesting to hear that mining in wormhole space hasn't decreased despite our requests to have mining sites returned to scanable signatures. +1 |
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
77
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Posted - 2014.08.17 11:45:00 -
[120] - Quote
Rek Seven wrote:wormhole space hasn't decreased despite our requests to have mining sites returned to scanable signatures.
I blame the Age of ISboxer for that, so I-¦d guess that there are less people mining but with more alts and more output. |
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unimatrix0030
Viperfleet Inc. Disavowed.
145
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Posted - 2014.08.17 11:50:00 -
[121] - Quote
i think fozzie said that the amount of ore minned has been stable. He didn't say anything about the number of people. |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1039
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Posted - 2014.08.17 12:05:00 -
[122] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:i think fozzie said that the amount of ore minned has been stable. He didn't say anything about the number of people.
Yes the mining answer was really quite a surprising answer. It does not seem to match in any way, peoples experience.
I wonder if CCPs metrics include information that none of us have access to so that we are only seeing a small part of the picture.
I really do not know, but whatever the state of a hole we jump into, one almost never sees a miner these days, as for a full mining fleet. More likely to see a herd of unicorns being ridden by sleepers.
It cannot be C1 systems, as it is impractical to close the statics, cannot be C2 or C3 realistically. So where are all these miners?
Anyone any idea?
Because someone must have discovered the answer and is replacing all the other miners that stopped once it became suicidal to mine.
Of course it is also quite possible that CCP never looked beyond the metrics and there is a giant bot mining farming operation, in A C4-C4, that is bugged into never getting incoming connections. And that is producing 99% of the ore mined in wormhole space
And they never realised that people have basically just given up mining.
Who Knows? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Paikis
Vapour Holdings
1350
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Posted - 2014.08.17 12:06:00 -
[123] - Quote
unimatrix0030 wrote:Strange i remember to hear c1-c4 corps speak up and also don't like it... .
Funny, I remember them saying they didn't care because the MWDing battleships they roll with will still be in jump range anyway.
I guess peple hear what they want to hear. |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1039
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Posted - 2014.08.17 12:15:00 -
[124] - Quote
Paikis wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:Strange i remember to hear c1-c4 corps speak up and also don't like it... . Funny, I remember them saying they didn't care because the MWDing battleships they roll with will still be in jump range anyway. I guess peple hear what they want to hear.
I remember chortles of derision from most of the listeners after that and twenty people trying to object over each other, but that was outside of the moderated section. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Glasgow Dunlop
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
164
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Posted - 2014.08.17 12:40:00 -
[125] - Quote
Your going to find a few folk still rolling, but the longer time it takes then more folk will go do something else, so when we do have some fun stuff, its going to be for a lot less of us that are still logged on. twitter: @glasgowdunlop-á TDSIN Recruitment Director : Join 'TDSIN pub' Glasgow Meet Organiser
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HerrBert
V0LTA Triumvirate.
492
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Posted - 2014.08.17 12:49:00 -
[126] - Quote
Warning Bertpost ... Highly incoherant:
I gave it 30 minutes of listening because...it had the sense of Fozzie going for damage control and well I dont want to repeat what Winthorp said and i hate to admit when that sexy guy has a well spoken point. But just to clarify some "stuff"....
First of CCP Fozzie is wierd in PR / Community Management and the Townhall put that forth, as they have an "Idea" for Wormhole but are "not really open" with that, which as a development strategy kinda goes towards the J.J. Abrahms school of "Mystery Boxing", then again how do you put the mystery back into the box after Project Atlas scienced the **** out of wormholes.
Now here comes the problem with Mystery Boxing. CCP did it once on a mildly provokativ scale where they put up a timer and said something special is gonna happen and of course everybody couldnt wait to see 3 Art Rocks on an Island in the Atlantic being revealed. INCREDIBRU... aaanywaaay point here is, if you oversell a "mystery" you have to compensate for the backlash. So my appeal to Fozzie as always .. DONT **** THIS UP!
2 weeks ago we saw CCP taking another "PR-Gamble" called the Anthony Wiener. No CCP Fozzie didnt tweet out pictures of his pocket rocket, but some "controversial" material was found by some "anomynous source" with unconfirmed official statements, that led to #WhenIam40ofTheHole... best thing ever (because the community was ACTIVE). Due to the lack of response about the "actual" mechanics about this feature "the mob grew" to mediocre proportions and led to the "Dramahall Meeting" of yesterday.
So baseline CCP is "okay with Community Management". Or are they? When I think of Scandal and CCP .. i think of T20, Monocle Gate or CCP Goonswarm (a conspiracy theory regarding changes favoring the GSF, its fun if you are into that kinda stuff), the wormhole thingy ranks more inbetween the mayor overhall of faction warfare and incursion isk changes.
And this brings me to the problem of this entire discussion. Its motherfucking neckbeards and I will keep this as simple as possible. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE WORMHOLES YOU HAVE TO BE ******* ACTIVE ABOUT IT!
Rather simple fact. Now what is the problem?
YOU! YOU HAVE 1 CSM. HA. 4 Types of Space with maybe 6 in total communities having the power to put forth csms and you GUYS PUT UP 1. Thats a ******* disgrace and i feel bad for corbexx. This gets amplified by the fact that the Wormhole CSM are completly lacking any form "of fellowship" which could support them constantly against CCP. The Wormhole space community gets only active if "status quo" is already about to change (remember scanning changes in odysee)...
Which brings me to the last and more dramatic part... 1 Townhall for Wormholes bringing forth a maximum of 300 attendence... I ve got shot at by more people in Wormhole space...
TLDR If you really want to have "power about the state of wormholes and be an active part in their development" you need to get better organized and really help your csm(s). Its your choice if you want to do nothing about and claim CCP shouldnt do anything or be active and able to change things towards your prefrence
Now **** off and think about ways to break the new mechanics...and old mechanics and REPORT that ****, well first abuse it and then report it.
My prediction: 3 Weeks after Hyperion everything will be back to humpygrumpy bittervetness ... or WORMHOLE SPACE WILL SEE THE BIGGEST DRAIN EVER (hahahahaaha too funny because .. where do you wanna go? only option would be winning at eve)
Also i would really like for the next townhall to be combined with a wormhole-mechanic-based mass-event on sisi ... if you can assemble 300 people you can test some stuff for the next Bobmess should that ever happen.
I even throw you a bone boys. Remember the Class 6 Wormhole of U N K N O W N that went mental on its static and dialed more numbers then E.T. Home? That thing was kinda brilliant. I m not saying it was "legit" but freaks like that are what puts wormholes always into the interests of eve players. As in Wormhole space is the only space truely #LackingIntellegence and in essence the CORE of BOB needs to be embraced in all its randomness beyond the RNG-RageRolling BULLSHIT! Community-Challenge: Make Jack Miton sing a Duett with me. http://www.youtube.com/user/HerrBertism Jibbychiggawooooow - CSM 9 Corbexx
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1044
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Posted - 2014.08.17 15:59:00 -
[127] - Quote
Thanks for that interesting post Mr Bert
You do raise some interesting posts. I will comment on a couple and add a couple more.
Firstly Thank you to Corbexx, he is doing a truly amazing Job, and I thank him for that. I agree that it would be a great help both to him and to us that if there was a second CSM to assist in his efforts.
You mention that we should all get together en mass and well do stuff. Unfortunately, one of the features that is present in wormhole players, is we do not actually like that, we actually value our independence, and whilst we can play well with others, we do like smaller gatherings.
Now regarding the mass spawn mechanic, its actual physical effects and the switch from complex but predefined mechanics that can be discovered with great effort, to enable living in a space that was previously thought impossible, to the less expensive in time and effort method, where luck or chance determines how the application presents, and the result thereof.
We simply do not seem to be able to effect change with discussion, reasoned argument, or any other rational process, and do not have the numbers or coordination to totally disrupt the game to force the management of CCP to actually realise that they are their own worst enemy by following this route.
So when reasoned argument fails, then argument is of no value.
I will not extrapolate from there to pontificate as to what the effects will be for CCP, but if one decides to totally change the formula that has allowed wormhole space to thrive, and for EVE to survive for the time it has, then I really hope the MBAs have saved their wages and cashed in their share options if they have them.
As for the employees and customers, well sorry, just collateral damage.
But who knows, maybe players will relish the excitement of blowing up when they have no opportunity to control their fate? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
791
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Posted - 2014.08.17 17:00:00 -
[128] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:It cannot be C1 systems, as it is impractical to close the statics, cannot be C2 or C3 realistically. So where are all these miners?
Anyone any idea? You would be suprised how many miners you can find mining in open C1 holes. Everytime I'm in a C1 pretty much it's either empty or has miners in it...
But you are correct in never seeing massive mining fleets. Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
AssassinationsdoneWrong
The Nexus 7's
249
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Posted - 2014.08.17 18:58:00 -
[129] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:i think fozzie said that the amount of ore minned has been stable. He didn't say anything about the number of people. Yes the mining answer was really quite a surprising answer. It does not seem to match in any way, peoples experience. I wonder if CCPs metrics include information that none of us have access to so that we are only seeing a small part of the picture. I really do not know, but whatever the state of a hole we jump into, one almost never sees a miner these days, as for a full mining fleet. More likely to see a herd of unicorns being ridden by sleepers. It cannot be C1 systems, as it is impractical to close the statics, cannot be C2 or C3 realistically. So where are all these miners? Anyone any idea? Because someone must have discovered the answer and is replacing all the other miners that stopped once it became suicidal to mine. Of course it is also quite possible that CCP never looked beyond the gross metrics and there is a giant bot mining farming operation, in A C4-C4, that is bugged into never getting incoming connections. And that is producing 99% of the ore mined in wormhole space And they never realised that people have basically just given up mining. Who Knows?
Try looking up the WH classes instead of down. It's where the best ore sites and thus the multiboxing miners are.
The Nexus 7's
What we fall short of in numbers we more than make up for in stupidity |
Adarnof
Merchants Trade Consortium The Last Chancers.
31
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Posted - 2014.08.17 20:23:00 -
[130] - Quote
epicurus ataraxia wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:i think fozzie said that the amount of ore minned has been stable. He didn't say anything about the number of people. Yes the mining answer was really quite a surprising answer. It does not seem to match in any way, peoples experience.
People seem to forget that at the same time ore sites became anomalies, we got instant free warning of a new incoming. Which made things incredibly safer for the active miner.
This is the same kind of confused conclusion we'll see post-Hyperion. When you throw a pile of changes in the blender and suddenly compare before/after metrics, you have absolutely no idea what the true causes were. I'm glad mining didn't suffer, but someone saying "they didn't decrease because of becoming anomalies" is an outright lie. So while I appreciated that example from Fozzie at the townhall, it emphasizes just how poorly CCP analyzes their own data. |
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
422
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:47:00 -
[131] - Quote
Is there a recording of this somewhere?? Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Kennesaw Breach
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
56
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Posted - 2014.08.18 01:50:00 -
[132] - Quote
A statement and a question that I couldn't get in through all the other people participating:
Statement: I don't think the mass/distance changes are good, but they're not as bad as the ragers seem to think. The changes will make both defensive and aggressive rolling less appealing due to the increased risk with what was already a risky activity. It will further emphasize the need for good scouting, and it will make it even harder to catch those scouts, since the distance from the hole appears to be outside of decloak range at all times now. All that said, IT IS NOT THE END OF ROLLING HOLES. It's a bad change, but it's not game-wrecking (like permanent holes, stargates in holes, local in holes, ice mining in holes or no more POSes in holes would be). So I'll keep playing and see what comes of it.
Question: The rorqual is, at this point, useless. It used to be the only viable method of making mining profitable in holes, since hauling uncompressed ore out was time inefficient and refining in the hole was return-inefficient, but now we can compress instantly with a pos module. The clone vats don't work in wormholes (and arguably aren't reliable anywhere else in kspace). The boosting is okay, I guess, but that's a lot of fuel to burn and a LOT of skillpoints to invest, not to mention the time and isk it takes to build the freaking thing in the hole to use it. So my question is: Is there a plan to make rorquals actually worth having and flying again? Or should we just self destruct the thing and buy an archon with the insurance? |
O'nira
United System's Commonwealth
29
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:31:00 -
[133] - Quote
Kennesaw Breach wrote:A statement and a question that I couldn't get in through all the other people participating:
Statement: I don't think the mass/distance changes are good, but they're not as bad as the ragers seem to think. The changes will make both defensive and aggressive rolling less appealing due to the increased risk with what was already a risky activity. It will further emphasize the need for good scouting, and it will make it even harder to catch those scouts, since the distance from the hole appears to be outside of decloak range at all times now. All that said, IT IS NOT THE END OF ROLLING HOLES. It's a bad change, but it's not game-wrecking (like permanent holes, stargates in holes, local in holes, ice mining in holes or no more POSes in holes would be). So I'll keep playing and see what comes of it.
Question: The rorqual is, at this point, useless. It used to be the only viable method of making mining profitable in holes, since hauling uncompressed ore out was time inefficient and refining in the hole was return-inefficient, but now we can compress instantly with a pos module. The clone vats don't work in wormholes (and arguably aren't reliable anywhere else in kspace). The boosting is okay, I guess, but that's a lot of fuel to burn and a LOT of skillpoints to invest, not to mention the time and isk it takes to build the freaking thing in the hole to use it. So my question is: Is there a plan to make rorquals actually worth having and flying again? Or should we just self destruct the thing and buy an archon with the insurance?
Corp A rolls into Corp B, Corp B has another static that they will play with and just keep a scout in Corp A wh and a cloaky bubbler /a cloaky interceptor on their side. Corp A has to either be able to take Corp B in a fight or log off, Corp B is much smaller so they log off, people in corp B get bored of not doing **** after a few times off rolling into a bigger Corp and logging off because they can't do **** about it so they decide to do something else and either leave the game or the corp and join a bigger corp.
Of course ragerolling also got nerfed so big corps are gonna have a "harder" time finding content for their big numbers, maybe this will counterbalance the need to have a big corp and they will grow smaller again but lets be honest smaller corps also need to roll a lot so its not really gonna do ****, that's ignoring the fact that ragerolling is just gonna take 2 more people(rapier+ceptor) to roll with and 1-2min(cap warping to safe made by ceptor while being webbed by loki) more per hole.
and it also seems like they have no real reason for this change other than to change **** up and see what happens wich is just so freaking dumb, the reason because w-space is stagnating is so freaking ridiculous as well, maybe try doing something similar to nullsec then(the space where everyone agrees is stagnating and not the space that i don't think anyone says is stagnating)
i'm gonna keep playing to and hope its not as bad as i am expecting it to be but i think it will be. |
StudleyManiac
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
5
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Posted - 2014.08.18 03:22:00 -
[134] - Quote
The thing that gets me is the developers blogs are represented as this is a change we are gonna make; lets discuss. But it is really this is what we are going to do and if you don't like it here is your bag of dicks.
Look at loot spew... almost the same amount of negative feedback but implemented and later thanks be to Bob reversed.
CCP only looks upon us as a community of players instead of a community of paying customers.
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1054
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:58:00 -
[135] - Quote
StudleyManiac wrote:The thing that gets me is the developers blogs are represented as this is a change we are gonna make; lets discuss. But it is really this is what we are going to do and if you don't like it here is your bag of dicks.
Look at loot spew... almost the same amount of negative feedback but implemented and later thanks be to Bob reversed.
CCP only looks upon us as a community of players instead of a community of paying customers.
Hi Studley!
At least you could choose to do the loot spew, wait, not if you did exploration. So the same as this really, you have to put up with this if you want to live in wormhole space.
It will probably end up the same way then, pity it is not so easy to rebuild your life in wormhole space after leaving.
Will there be anyone left to give a damn by that time? Seems they wish to destroy any ability for the players to suspend disbelief that is needed to play a game, so maybe they are just ensuring that anyone who leaves, grows up to the point, they will never play any other game.
Thats a win isn't it?
Funny, I thought CCP was a business, and not an educational authority. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1054
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:01:00 -
[136] - Quote
AssassinationsdoneWrong wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:unimatrix0030 wrote:i think fozzie said that the amount of ore minned has been stable. He didn't say anything about the number of people. Yes the mining answer was really quite a surprising answer. It does not seem to match in any way, peoples experience. I wonder if CCPs metrics include information that none of us have access to so that we are only seeing a small part of the picture. I really do not know, but whatever the state of a hole we jump into, one almost never sees a miner these days, as for a full mining fleet. More likely to see a herd of unicorns being ridden by sleepers. It cannot be C1 systems, as it is impractical to close the statics, cannot be C2 or C3 realistically. So where are all these miners? Anyone any idea? Because someone must have discovered the answer and is replacing all the other miners that stopped once it became suicidal to mine. Of course it is also quite possible that CCP never looked beyond the gross metrics and there is a giant bot mining farming operation, in A C4-C4, that is bugged into never getting incoming connections. And that is producing 99% of the ore mined in wormhole space And they never realised that people have basically just given up mining. Who Knows? Try looking up the WH classes instead of down. It's where the best ore sites and thus the multiboxing miners are.
Thanks for that, very interesting, and good job.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1054
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:07:00 -
[137] - Quote
Kennesaw Breach wrote:A statement and a question that I couldn't get in through all the other people participating:
Statement: I don't think the mass/distance changes are good, but they're not as bad as the ragers seem to think. The changes will make both defensive and aggressive rolling less appealing due to the increased risk with what was already a risky activity. It will further emphasize the need for good scouting, and it will make it even harder to catch those scouts, since the distance from the hole appears to be outside of decloak range at all times now. All that said, IT IS NOT THE END OF ROLLING HOLES. It's a bad change, but it's not game-wrecking (like permanent holes, stargates in holes, local in holes, ice mining in holes or no more POSes in holes would be). So I'll keep playing and see what comes of it.
Question: The rorqual is, at this point, useless. It used to be the only viable method of making mining profitable in holes, since hauling uncompressed ore out was time inefficient and refining in the hole was return-inefficient, but now we can compress instantly with a pos module. The clone vats don't work in wormholes (and arguably aren't reliable anywhere else in kspace). The boosting is okay, I guess, but that's a lot of fuel to burn and a LOT of skillpoints to invest, not to mention the time and isk it takes to build the freaking thing in the hole to use it. So my question is: Is there a plan to make rorquals actually worth having and flying again? Or should we just self destruct the thing and buy an archon with the insurance?
Just wait for the change, and jump it through a wormhole a couple of times. It is after all just a matter of luck as to whether it lands safely or in the middle of a pile of crap. Nothing you can do to change that, just roll the dice.
But may as well self destruct it, it may not be any more or less fun, but it will be less frustrating. Just don't do either with the archon. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
443
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Posted - 2014.08.18 13:15:00 -
[138] - Quote
Aquila Sagitta wrote:Is there a recording of this somewhere??
Check dtp site Host of Down The Pipe-áIngame Channel DTP Podcast www.downthepipe-wh.com GÇïIsogen 5 is recruiting. Check us out
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Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
531
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Posted - 2014.08.18 19:02:00 -
[139] - Quote
Speaking of mining, in our home C2 we will occasionally have people mining in bait Procurers, hoping to catch stupid people. It has resulted in multiple kills. We have others who claim to be baiting, though a Retriever or Covetor isn't exactly good bait *cough* (Those instances resulted in multiple losses)
Before Odyssey, this generally did not happen, and our mining sites generally disappeared after a few days with nary a mining vessel in sight.
I would hypothesize that some of the slack from real mining ops has been taken up by bait mining ops. And there is also the point that was raised about making things safer than before with instant and free intel.
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