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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
594
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:22:00 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:
This is pretty elaborate. For criminals that the authorities, for some reason, do not want back and already has a history of being unrepentant, we just threw them out of the airlock.
For Blood Raiders, such as the OP, I remember from my pre-capsuleer days that the authorities, after interrogating them as to other secret members of their cult, used to burn them at the stake on a bonfire. The ashes simply blew away, scattered, and dissipated to the winds.
How barbaric.
Personally, any and all Imperial POWs that I encounter, I arrange for a prisoner transfer for any Sani Sabik POWs, with whichever Imperial authority I can arrange a meeting with.
1LT Kernher has been most helpful in the past with that sort of thing.
Most helpful indeed. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
696
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:31:00 -
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Except that I only am willing to receive people. I do not offer enemy POWs in return.
So **** off with the attempted character assassination. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
594
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Posted - 2014.08.16 07:22:00 -
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Oh my, it seems I have upset you.
Clearly not my intention.
I was intending to annoy Lunarisse, not yourself. |
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
1620
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:58:00 -
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Tragic.
Certainly the loss of human life incurred by the actions of capsuleers should be seen as due cause for the expression of moral outrage for those unable to look in the mirror, such a unique occurrence that it no doubt is.
Truly, a tragedy I shall reflect upon, my heart overflowing with empathy and compassion at such loss of life while I watch the upcoming Alliance Tournament. |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3966
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Posted - 2014.08.16 14:33:00 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:This is pretty elaborate. For criminals that the authorities, for some reason, do not want back and already has a history of being unrepentant, we just threw them out of the airlock.
I believe in getting the maximum amount of use from the material at hand, Edmund. Anyone can be brave when death is a button push away and over in an instant. Enduring the reading of the charges. The listing of the evidence. Seeing the hilt of the sword turned from them, the black capshades, the ruffle of drumbeats... The metronome like precision of the marching of the escort to take them 'from this place to another place, there to be executed by firing squad...
It gives a criminal time to appreciate the weight of the apparatus of state as it rolls over them. And it gives your own men the opportunity to reflect on the price of treason. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
55
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Posted - 2014.08.16 15:50:00 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:This is pretty elaborate. For criminals that the authorities, for some reason, do not want back and already has a history of being unrepentant, we just threw them out of the airlock. I believe in getting the maximum amount of use from the material at hand, Edmund. Anyone can be brave when death is a button push away and over in an instant. Enduring the reading of the charges. The listing of the evidence. Seeing the hilt of the sword turned from them, the black capshades, the ruffle of drumbeats... The metronome like precision of the marching of the escort to take them 'from this place to another place, there to be executed by firing squad... It gives a criminal time to appreciate the weight of the apparatus of state as it rolls over them. And it gives your own men the opportunity to reflect on the price of treason.
Yeah, well, it's not exactly my place to give criminals a trial. The only disciplinary hearing I attend to pertains to my crew and my support staff. Criminals and convicts we dredged out of some wreck are delivered to the agents and what happens to them is their own business. Otherwise, I will just launch them out of the airlock.
If we are discussing disciplinary problems in the crew and support staff, punishment is meted out on a case-by-case basis. If it's the case of one murdering the other over something or other I will him lynched by the rest of the staff for a day, then send him out by the airlock without protective equipment of any description.
If the issue crops up in a ship, the lynching still occurs. The execution is meted out by the way of jetcans in the middle of nowhere with disabled transponders. He can reflect on the things he did while being stoned and while waiting for the air to run out. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
799
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:08:00 -
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I like you. You got spunk. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
227
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Posted - 2014.08.16 23:00:00 -
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Arista Shahni wrote:Why would the Lord need records from CONCORD?
He does not, of course.
I am curious as what it is exactly that you are trying to show, to whom, and why.
But you need not answer in public.
Without such records, people might question whether or not I had actually killed the number of slaves I claim. |
Quin Mansa
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.08.16 23:30:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Without such records, people might question whether or not I had actually killed the number of slaves I claim. Impressing upon we children of God the magnitude of your folly clearly serves only your own perverted sense of self-worth.
You serve yourself and not the Almighty, and there will be no Paradise for you, only Torment. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
227
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:52:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.
We live in a universe created by God and run according to His hidden will. To call it disgusting is an error of faith.
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Steffanie Saissore
Stormcrows
336
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:35:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:
Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.
We live in a universe created by God and run according to His hidden will. To call it disgusting is an error of faith.
I cannot help but notice something. For someone claiming to be doing the work of God and such...you look very grumpy. I would imagine a prophet or someone hearing the direct word of God to be more...happy or peaceful looking. Steffanie Saissore, Knight Stormcrows
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1220
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Posted - 2014.08.17 08:10:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.
With all due respect... this is crap.
You don't save people by firing at them. And attack was to destroy the target, not save some slaves. All casualties are just collateral damage. And amount of them is random. They all 4034 could have died. Or survived. It is Maker's will it happened this way, but not another.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1220
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Posted - 2014.08.17 08:11:00 -
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Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:Tragic.
Certainly the loss of human life incurred by the actions of capsuleers should be seen as due cause for the expression of moral outrage for those unable to look in the mirror, such a unique occurrence that it no doubt is.
Truly, a tragedy I shall reflect upon, my heart overflowing with empathy and compassion at such loss of life while I watch the upcoming Alliance Tournament. Pfft.
Weak gallentean sympathizer. You would never make a good Caldari anyway with such approach. |
Arista Shahni
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2014.08.17 09:40:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Arista Shahni wrote:Why would the Lord need records from CONCORD?
He does not, of course.
I am curious as what it is exactly that you are trying to show, to whom, and why.
But you need not answer in public.
Without such records, people might question whether or not I had actually killed the number of slaves I claim.
All is visible to the light of the Lord, and needs not such displays of hubris as shown in numbers.
Is it not over-stretched pride which has lain countless of the Faithful low?
These activities detract from the lesson, as the behavior of Shameful Holders can do, and does not teach of the power of the Lord. They merely show your actions in the way that eyes unseeing of the knowledge you hold would translate it.
Would you raise CONCORD statistics above Divine Message?
Who exactly are you beholden to? CONCORD, Capsuleers, or Divinity?
I'm honestly curious. "I say that even as the holy and the righteous cannot rise beyond the highest which is in each one of you - so the wicked and the weak cannot fall lower than the lowest which is in you also. -áAnd as a single leaf turns not yellow but with the silent knowledge of the whole tree, so the wrong-doer cannot do wrong without the hidden will of you all." |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
326
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Posted - 2014.08.17 11:45:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.
With all due respect... this is crap. You don't save people by firing at them. And attack was to destroy the target, not save some slaves. All casualties are just collateral damage. And amount of them is random. They all 4034 could have died. Or survived. It is Maker's will it happened this way, but not another.
With no respect intended or implied whatsoever, you are slow-witted. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Pieter Tuulinen
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
3968
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Posted - 2014.08.17 16:54:00 -
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My guess is that Kim hasn't had to think in terms of saving people very much, usually just being focused on body count.
As far as I'm concerned, the slaves that die when you hull one of Nappy's ships are the lucky ones. The slaves he keeps/gets home safely are the ones you should be crying over. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..." |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
650
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Posted - 2014.08.17 18:12:00 -
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Even the survivors you recover and a handful. My staff has been handling three I rescued from the wreck of one of his Tormentors last night and they are hardly functional considering the trauma they have suffered. I will do my best with them, but I can only imagine the problems the Stormcrows are facing with two thousand of these poor, wretched creatures. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1370
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Posted - 2014.08.17 18:56:00 -
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Edit: wrong thread, sorry The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
227
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Posted - 2014.08.17 19:13:00 -
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Arista Shahni wrote:
Without such records, people might question whether or not I had actually killed the number of slaves I claim.
All is visible to the light of the Lord, and needs not such displays of hubris as shown in numbers.
Is it not over-stretched pride which has lain countless of the Faithful low?
These activities detract from the lesson, as the behavior of Shameful Holders can do, and does not teach of the power of the Lord. They merely show your actions in the way that eyes unseeing of the knowledge you hold would translate it.
Would you raise CONCORD statistics above Divine Message?
Who exactly are you beholden to? CONCORD, Capsuleers, or Divinity?
I'm honestly curious.
While glorifying God in the destruction of the Wicked is of course my main concern, I also want to impress and inspire the Faithful will my great sacrifices, and therefore I need public records so that the people can know how many slaves are being destroyed. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1221
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Posted - 2014.08.17 20:49:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.
With all due respect... this is crap. You don't save people by firing at them. And attack was to destroy the target, not save some slaves. All casualties are just collateral damage. And amount of them is random. They all 4034 could have died. Or survived. It is Maker's will it happened this way, but not another. With no respect intended or implied whatsoever, you are slow-witted. Who would say this, but not a woman, who believes that shooting at peoples is "saving" them. |
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Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
327
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Posted - 2014.08.17 21:14:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.
With all due respect... this is crap. You don't save people by firing at them. And attack was to destroy the target, not save some slaves. All casualties are just collateral damage. And amount of them is random. They all 4034 could have died. Or survived. It is Maker's will it happened this way, but not another. With no respect intended or implied whatsoever, you are slow-witted. Who would say this, but not a woman, who believes that shooting at peoples is "saving" them.
Tell us more about Tibus Heth sometime. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11
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Posted - 2014.08.17 21:29:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.
With all due respect... this is crap. You don't save people by firing at them. And attack was to destroy the target, not save some slaves. All casualties are just collateral damage. And amount of them is random. They all 4034 could have died. Or survived. It is Maker's will it happened this way, but not another. With no respect intended or implied whatsoever, you are slow-witted.
While I hate to share and opinion with a dissident engaged in a pointless rebellion..... I must admit I find myself thanking God that those few slaves were not subject to Nauplius' abhorrent and depraved attentions.
I lament the loss of life as well and to brush off such loss as collateral damage is more than callous, I would like to believe that no more slaves will be killed in this conflict, as they are innocent in this war, but such is not likely to be the case.
God willing we can save them all from this heretic. |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
227
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Posted - 2014.08.17 21:53:00 -
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So many people think my slaves are better off dead. What gives you the right to make that decision for them? My slaves would rather stay alive; if you could hear them, they would beg you not to shoot at them.
(Perhaps you consider this assertion improbable, but recall that I brainwash all my slaves with the Doctrine of Hell and the place of the Minmatar within it; my slaves fear nothing more than their future damnation in Hell and so despite the torment of their daily lives would not think of trying to end them; hardly any of my slaves ever commit suicide.) |
Claudia Osyn
Mythic Security Service
895
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Posted - 2014.08.17 22:03:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:So many people think my slaves are better off dead. What gives you the right to make that decision for them? My slaves would rather stay alive; if you could hear them, they would beg you not to shoot at them.
(Perhaps you consider this assertion improbable, but recall that I brainwash all my slaves with the Doctrine of Hell and the place of the Minmatar within it; my slaves fear nothing more than their future damnation in Hell and so despite the torment of their daily lives would not think of trying to end them; hardly any of my slaves ever commit suicide.) We have the same right to make that decision for them as you do. Alleged divine rights aside, what right do you have to brainwash abuse and sacrifice these people? The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1221
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Posted - 2014.08.17 22:26:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Kyllsa Siikanen wrote: I agree with those who have said this was 2000 lives saved, not 2034 lost.
With all due respect... this is crap. You don't save people by firing at them. And attack was to destroy the target, not save some slaves. All casualties are just collateral damage. And amount of them is random. They all 4034 could have died. Or survived. It is Maker's will it happened this way, but not another. With no respect intended or implied whatsoever, you are slow-witted. Who would say this, but not a woman, who believes that shooting at peoples is "saving" them. Tell us more about Tibus Heth sometime. I think I'd prefer to come someday to Republic space to shoot at some minmatar militia fighters to "save" them. You will LOVE it. I might even send you numbers of saved survivors, whom I will transfer as POWs to Empire authorities. |
Jinari Otsito
Otsito Mining and Manufacture
722
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Posted - 2014.08.17 23:05:00 -
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It always hurts my brain when Kimmy gets close to making a good point. It's like I'm feeling the laws of physics torn asunder. Prime Node. Ask me about augmentation.
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Soren Tyrhanos
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11
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Posted - 2014.08.18 00:04:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:So many people think my slaves are better off dead. What gives you the right to make that decision for them? My slaves would rather stay alive; if you could hear them, they would beg you not to shoot at them.
(Perhaps you consider this assertion improbable, but recall that I brainwash all my slaves with the Doctrine of Hell and the place of the Minmatar within it; my slaves fear nothing more than their future damnation in Hell and so despite the torment of their daily lives would not think of trying to end them; hardly any of my slaves ever commit suicide.)
I remember my friend, Classiarii Ouryon, recounting to me about his operations against the Blood Raider scum and one particular addage he and his unit used to have.
"Better dead than bled."
I certainly agree with the sentiment. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
327
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:46:00 -
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Jinari Otsito wrote:It always hurts my brain when Kimmy gets close to making a good point. It's like I'm feeling the laws of physics torn asunder.
And "close" is the important bit... she's still wrong. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
TomHorn
Dragonaurs Caldari Armed Forces.
220
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Posted - 2014.08.18 14:28:00 -
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Nauplius wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:
Because we live in a ******* disgusting universe.
We live in a universe created by God and run according to His hidden will. To call it disgusting is an error of faith.
I remember listening to some sermons, when i was living in the Empire working for the Sarum family. This was one i remember,
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him
"...let all those rejoice, who put their trust in God; Let them ever shout for joy, because You defend them; Let those also who love Your name be joyful in You. For You, O Lord, will bless the righteous; With favor You will surround him as with a shield
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Eden Deninard
Eta Pegasi
6
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Posted - 2014.08.19 22:13:00 -
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This is sickening. |
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