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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:33:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: And like I said, since all you have is conjecture that this was known at all prior to what his face releasing it on reddit(I had no clue about it, it was news to me), you don't have a leg to stand on.
Which is why, and I said this very clearly in my past few posts, I merely hope that CCP investigates any potential abuse of this exploit very thoroughly.
*shakes head*
You're trying really hard to not understand this.
They can't investigate jack ****. Any time in which someone looked at their API is 100% of the time a legitimate action, thanks to the fact that there are so very many accepted ways to use it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:40:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
*shakes head*
You're trying really hard to not understand this.
They can't investigate jack ****. Any time in which someone looked at their API is 100% of the time a legitimate action, thanks to the fact that there are so very many accepted ways to use it.
You're right. As long as no additional information comes to light, that is exactly what will happen. And that's fine.
Also, CCP should immediately remove the bit of the API that allows for this exploit to occur in the first place. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:44:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Also, CCP should immediately remove the bit of the API that allows for this exploit to occur in the first place.
Aside from your continued misuse of the word "exploit", you are correct.
If they are able, they should patch that out. If not, then they should give up on the pointless siphon concept and just remove them from the game, to be replaced with something that wasn't so ill conceived. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:47:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: Also, CCP should immediately remove the bit of the API that allows for this exploit to occur in the first place.
Aside from your continued misuse of the word "exploit", you are correct. If they are able, they should patch that out. If not, then they should give up on the pointless siphon concept and just remove them from the game, to be replaced with something that wasn't so ill conceived. Siphons are absolutely fine, are used by many, many alliances, and can be quite profitable if using the correct setup.
And I don't imagine NOT uploading data for everyone to see is particularly difficult. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:48:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: And I don't imagine NOT uploading data for everyone to see is particularly difficult.
You'd think so, but clearly not. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2016
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:50:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: And I don't imagine NOT uploading data for everyone to see is particularly difficult.
You'd think so, but clearly not. CCP and all that. Still, now that someone has actually pointed a big'ol finger at the exact problem, there shouldn't be any problems in removing it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8782
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Posted - 2014.08.14 06:51:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: And I don't imagine NOT uploading data for everyone to see is particularly difficult.
You'd think so, but clearly not. CCP and all that. Still, now that someone has actually pointed a big'ol finger at the exact problem, there shouldn't be any problems in removing it.
Oh, likely, yes.
I still find it funny that, apparently, no one from the dev team who designed these things actually bothered to check. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
1384
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Regardless of the above, still not an exploit to look at your own API data. I mean what options would we have to avoid it if it were an exploit? Refuse to look at our API data? Unreasonable. Pretend we didn't see it? Unreasonable. It wouldn't be an exploit to continue using the API, but if it was used explicitly for this purpose without CCP being told then it was an exploit. |
Prince Kobol
2025
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:01:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Regardless of the above, still not an exploit to look at your own API data. I mean what options would we have to avoid it if it were an exploit? Refuse to look at our API data? Unreasonable. Pretend we didn't see it? Unreasonable. It wouldn't be an exploit to continue using the API, but if it was used explicitly for this purpose without CCP being told then it was an exploit.
And you prove this how? |
Prince Kobol
2025
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: And I don't imagine NOT uploading data for everyone to see is particularly difficult.
You'd think so, but clearly not. CCP and all that. Still, now that someone has actually pointed a big'ol finger at the exact problem, there shouldn't be any problems in removing it. Oh, likely, yes. I still find it funny that, apparently, no one from the dev team who designed these things actually bothered to check.
Your you even remotely surprised?
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Themanfromdalmontee
EVE RADIO ARMY
65
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:04:00 -
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Posting in another ban goons post.
Considering the number of people I know complaining about siphon units I don't think this is a coalition type thing :P |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
1384
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:05:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Regardless of the above, still not an exploit to look at your own API data. I mean what options would we have to avoid it if it were an exploit? Refuse to look at our API data? Unreasonable. Pretend we didn't see it? Unreasonable. It wouldn't be an exploit to continue using the API, but if it was used explicitly for this purpose without CCP being told then it was an exploit. And you prove this how? You don't, and nobody will get punished. And does that really surprise anybody? |
Boyamin
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:17:00 -
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It's worth pointing out (inbetween all this pointless mud slinging), that a feature that was borderline useless anyway for many reasons other than being detectable by coding something, that requires CCP to corrupt API data to make it work properly, is probably not a good feature to iterate on for EVE's future anyway.
--> move code to legacy bin.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12556
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:18:00 -
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It's pretty similar to being able to see the notification mail when someone attacks your POS through the API - clearly an exploit knowing when you're being attacked...?
Or worse, you see the killmail of your structures. You know someone is there shooting up your stuff.
/c
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2091
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:27:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:Yup, thats right. If any of you have put a Siphon on a tower belonging to CFC/PL/N3 or any other Sov holding alliance your Siphon was detected through the API end point. Something that CCP said " wouldnt be possible". Since all the major nullsec sov holding alliances knew about this and used it, they should all be fined all the moon goo they have mined since the siphon units were released in game. They knew about this and contiuned to use it without notifying CCP. Which would be an Exploit. Source.
Silly man, exploits are for the little guys, for the big players it's called creating content. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
TharOkha
0asis Group
915
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:32:00 -
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Chribba wrote:It's pretty similar to being able to see the notification mail when someone attacks your POS through the API - clearly an exploit knowing when you're being attacked...?
Or worse, you see the killmail of your structures. You know someone is there shooting up your stuff.
/c
Siphon unit was presented to us as something "stealth". Whats the point of this "stealth" unit if POS owner knows immediately (even he doesn't not need to be in game) that someone is stealing from him?
it lacks logic
Siphon price is cca 14m and they are shot down within hours..... siphons are worthless piece of HW in EVE.
And now, this API thing is discussed here in GD, so even POS owners who have not been aware of this until now, will be using API as out of game proximity sensor to detect siphons . CODE. in a nutshell |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5727
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:44:00 -
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In general nothing is an exploit until CCP says it is.
But once they do, you'd best listen. Claiming ignorance or continuing to use it because you think you can't get caught is a ban wave waiting to happen.
Just sayin'
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
1387
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:47:00 -
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Chribba wrote:It's pretty similar to being able to see the notification mail when someone attacks your POS through the API - clearly an exploit knowing when you're being attacked...?
Or worse, you see the killmail of your structures. You know someone is there shooting up your stuff.
/c The difference is there's no notification for the Siphon Units and there isn't supposed to be one. It's not like pulling the numbers from the API and doing the math is an automatic thing that just pops up in front of you and you can't help but look at it. If that's what was being done, without telling CCP about it, then it was an exploit. |
superginger21
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:50:00 -
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thats it, REPORTED!!! |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8784
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Posted - 2014.08.14 07:53:00 -
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superginger21 wrote:thats it, REPORTED!!!
Oh, woe is unto us, the worthless NPC alt reported someone for... something, I guess. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4286
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Posted - 2014.08.14 08:06:00 -
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Where is Dinsdale when you need him? He should have caught up on this conspiracy ages ago. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11037
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Posted - 2014.08.14 08:24:00 -
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superginger21 wrote:thats it, REPORTED!!! Good luck with that. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
303
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Posted - 2014.08.14 08:26:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:In general nothing is an exploit until CCP says it is. But once they do, you'd best listen. Claiming ignorance or continuing to use it because you think you can't get caught is a ban wave waiting to happen. Just sayin' Mr Epeen Significant retroactive action has been taken in the past, where some unintended game mechanic has been used to gain advantage, when CCP became aware of the issue and declared the Exploit.
The definition of an Exploit means that there are some clear examples which you shouldn't touch with a barge pole even if CCP haven't yet declared it (or aren't aware of it); any form of dupe should be avoided, penalties which become bonuses and bonuses which apply when they shouldn't are also clear candidates. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
295
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Posted - 2014.08.14 08:41:00 -
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Well people said from the beginning that siphons don't do much and some times I hate being right, though my reasons was that I couldn't be arsed to baby sit a one. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11037
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Posted - 2014.08.14 08:53:00 -
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Baneken wrote:Well people said from the beginning that siphons don't do much and some times I hate being right, though my reasons was that I couldn't be arsed to baby sit a one. There are other reasons for siphons not being all that great. They can be spoofed, for one. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
jullll
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:06:00 -
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Confirming Siphon Units is broken, too expensive, too easy to detect. Make it way cheaper, problem solved.
I love the idea of mobiles to annoy holders/citizens in 0.0 though. It should definitely go on that direction: defend and live on your territory or loose it.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8784
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:08:00 -
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jullll wrote: It should definitely go on that direction: defend and live on your territory or loose it.
Conversely, one could argue that people like you should have to attack and take that territory. Instead of just anklebiting with poorly designed deployables. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
12557
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:11:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Chribba wrote:It's pretty similar to being able to see the notification mail when someone attacks your POS through the API - clearly an exploit knowing when you're being attacked...?
Or worse, you see the killmail of your structures. You know someone is there shooting up your stuff.
/c The difference is there's no notification for the Siphon Units and there isn't supposed to be one. It's not like pulling the numbers from the API and doing the math is an automatic thing that just pops up in front of you and you can't help but look at it. If that's what was being done, without telling CCP about it, then it was an exploit. Very true in that sense, with that view however, lots of things concerning the API could be considered an exploit though.
For example, member lists of corporations have never been available to people outside the corp, yet through the API you can find most if not all members of a corporation. Exploit.
Sure I can agree that the intended feature of the Siphon's stealthyness isn't a yay thing, but at the same time I would see the API's ability to detect one the outcome of smart player engineering. Because after all, you have to judge yoruself that the reduced number of goo units in your silo is due to a Siphon. Similar how you could see a killmail and judge what type of weapons a pilot may be fitting if you see the kill being made 5 min ago.
But I understand both sides for sure.
/c
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23879
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:14:00 -
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So what the OP is saying is that CCP actually realised that what people were telling them was true: that it's a pretty bad idea to have the API report false information. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2020
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Posted - 2014.08.14 09:19:00 -
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Chribba wrote:It's pretty similar to being able to see the notification mail when someone attacks your POS through the API - clearly an exploit knowing when you're being attacked...?
Or worse, you see the killmail of your structures. You know someone is there shooting up your stuff.
/c Yeah but one is intended by CCP (the notification mail) while the other is not.
I really don't see why people are having a tough time grasping this: something unintended (in fact the exact opposite of the intended behavior) that gives you an advantage is, by definition, not "working as intended".
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