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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
1674
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:02:00 -
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Retar Aveymone wrote:if you npc-corp highsec-dwelling scrubs seriously think you're going to be able to outlaw the goons always beating you because we know more than you in this game where knowledge is power, i have a bridge to sell you Goons like you are why so many people don't like Goons. Which is a shame, because most Goons are pretty cool.
Speaking of, I've read a couple comments from Goons saying that CCP was informed on week one about this issue. That would make this the screw-up of CCP, not the fault of any of the null-sec alliances. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5323
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:05:00 -
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Maybe they need a new material type. You know, like in our youth, we'd steal whiskey from the bottle and then add water so Dad didn't find out. Maybe the siphons just need to replace what they take with tapioca pudding or KY Jelly. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Prince Kobol
2029
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:29:00 -
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Still waiting for somebody to show me any official text where CCP talks about how the API works in relation to Siphons.
Here are the links again
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/stop-the-thief-siphon-units-in-rubicon/
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Personal_Deployable_Structures
http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-rubicon
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6364
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:52:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Which is a shame, because most Goons are pretty cool. You're a Goon spy. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
TharOkha
0asis Group
916
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Posted - 2014.08.15 07:19:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: I suppose actually logging on and checking a silo is pretty hard, occupying your space doesn't seem to be particularly popular these days...
well this sentence sums it all up
Its not just about broken siphon mechanic but also about broken sov mechanic
3 largest entities owns 100% of sov null from which 80% of those systems are empty and lifeless. Well you know, because there is nearly infinite EHP flag there. (Why bother to shoot it and SBU it? Just move there and ninja those systems.)
And not just that. Those entities also owns almost all r32 +r64 moons in lowsec, far from their homelands and influence and yet... they don't need to be there and watch for their POSes because they can use API as out of game proximity sensor.
I agree that this is not an exploit but just broken mechanic. POS data API was used before siphons.
Its your turn CCP. CODE. in a nutshell |
Lady Areola Fappington
2141
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Posted - 2014.08.15 07:53:00 -
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The GrrGoon crowd really has some kinda strange, almost cargo-cultish behaviour going in.
It's like they think if they just phrase things the right way, while invoking the right ToS clause, CCP will be forced to just ban all of the CFC!
CCP has never been big on the whole "Mass Punishment" thing anyway. Even the few cases I know where it was obvious a whole corp was in on an exploit, they still specifically picked out the ones exploiting to punish. Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
Matius Udan
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 08:34:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Really? Because as far as I know, this only got found out a few hours ago.
No, it only got posted publically a few hours ago, we don't know who abused it and for how long before outing it publically. Also: James Amril-Kesh wrote:How M'I Alive wrote:If you know something is working in a manner that is not intended, which allows you to gain an advantage over others who are not aware of such, you are supposed to cease that activity immediately and report it to CCP. Try proving that we knew it wasn't working as intended. To me this bit implied that they were involved in the activity, and are simply feigning ignorance that this was an unintended consequence. However, there hasn't been any explicit statement or proof that this was abused by any particular party...until such proof is provided I think CCP should launch an investigation into whether and how severely this exploit was abused.
Dude......its just a game..... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11075
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Posted - 2014.08.15 08:39:00 -
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He's also reading too much into what I said.
I have never used a siphon, nor have I ever done anything with a POS besides sit in them. How people in my alliance or elsewhere manage their POS is not something I've really cared to look much into. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
71
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Posted - 2014.08.15 08:50:00 -
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Abusing an issue that CCP is aware of but didn't fix yet is totally OK (especially since due to the out-game nature of this issue, it cannot really be proven ...). |
Prince Kobol
2030
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Posted - 2014.08.15 09:31:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Abusing an issue that CCP is aware of but didn't fix yet is totally OK (especially since due to the out-game nature of this issue, it cannot really be proven ...).
Abusing what issue?
Nowhere has anybody proven how the API is meant to work with Siphon Units. How can you abuse something which you do not know? |
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Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
429
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Posted - 2014.08.15 09:56:00 -
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At least they intended to implement a lying API:
CCP Tuxford wrote:Yes we did. We do track how much is siphoned from what and where it would end up and the API then reports those numbers. It's a bit evil abusing the API in this way but I think it's for the good of the feature. Source also once more here and there. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
429
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:04:00 -
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There we go, the lying API broke: https://twitter.com/Darkblad_eve/status/500220618034667520 EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Prince Kobol
2031
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:10:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:At least they intended to implement a lying API: CCP Tuxford wrote:Yes we did. We do track how much is siphoned from what and where it would end up and the API then reports those numbers. It's a bit evil abusing the API in this way but I think it's for the good of the feature. Source also once more here and there.
Here is the problem, they are not official documents so to speak.
To me, Dev Blogs are, The Wiki is, The patch notes are, but not forum posts.
You can not ever seriously suggest that players have to go thought thousands upon thousands of forum posts, sifting through endless crap to find out how an important part of a mechanic is meant to work.
Considering only a tiny percentage of the games population even bother to visit these forums you can not accept what is said in the forum post as gospel.
That is why we have Dev Blogs, That is why we have Patch Notes, That is why we have the wiki to a point.
Why do you think you see links to Dev Blogs and the Patch notes in the Launcher and not random links to forum posts?
So again, being a reasonable person of a semi sound mind, I have yet to see anything official from CCP on how the API is supposed to Interact with Siphon Units. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11076
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:18:00 -
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CCP Tuxford wrote:It's a bit evil abusing the API in this way
No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Ammzi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
1828
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:35:00 -
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CCP had the "lying api" live on SISI before siphons were deployed on TQ - it just never made it to TQ for some reason.
ps: this thread is hilarious |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
429
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:48:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:To me, Dev Blogs are, The Wiki is, The patch notes are, but not forum posts. To my observations, API changes often didn't make it into these official documents. Take the removal of NPC/Player kills in wormhole space as an example. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Qmamoto Kansuke
Killing with pink power
18
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:01:00 -
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Congrats this thread just killed siphon units industry |
Prince Kobol
2032
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:30:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:To me, Dev Blogs are, The Wiki is, The patch notes are, but not forum posts. To my observations, API changes often didn't make it into these official documents. Take the removal of NPC/Player kills in wormhole space as an example.
In which case the fault lies with CCP for not documenting important changes, not with the players.
You can not say that players are exploiting a mechanic if we do not know how the mechanic is meant to work due to CCP not giving that information, especially if that information is an integral part on how that mechanic is supposed to work.
How the API interacts with Siphon Units is a very important part of how they work, to many the most important part, to leave that side of things undocumented is pretty terrible.
If people want to be angry and all grrr then their it should be directed at CCP and not at any part of the player base. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4075
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:33:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Most people dont do it for the isk I know that may be hard to believe, but majority do it to harass the pos owner/alliance/corp. Some one has to look for and remove the siphon which can provide content.
Would be nice to break even or be able to remove the siphon once placed.
For me it was NEVER about making isk. Right, but why is it harassing? Why would the owner even remotely care? Their losses from it are absolutely minimal even if you do collect the product, which won't always be the case. The only person affected by it is the guy that has to loot and blap it when he goes to pick up the goo, so you cost a guy 2 minutes of his time once in a blue moon. You don't really have to "look for" the siphon, it'll just be there when you go to collect goo.
Seems pretty pointless. There are hundreds of better and more effective ways to harass the owners. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Effect One
Vengeful Swan
163
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:38:00 -
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Yawn.
cba |
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
676
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Posted - 2014.08.15 11:55:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:if you npc-corp highsec-dwelling scrubs seriously think you're going to be able to outlaw the goons always beating you because we know more than you in this game where knowledge is power, i have a bridge to sell you Goons like you are why so many people don't like Goons. Which is a shame, because most Goons are pretty cool. Speaking of, I've read a couple comments from Goons saying that CCP was informed on week one about this issue. That would make this the screw-up of CCP, not the fault of any of the null-sec alliances. it wouldn't be nearly as much fun to be a goon if we were loved |
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
71
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:03:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Darkblad wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:To me, Dev Blogs are, The Wiki is, The patch notes are, but not forum posts. To my observations, API changes often didn't make it into these official documents. Take the removal of NPC/Player kills in wormhole space as an example. In which case the fault lies with CCP for not documenting important changes, not with the players. You can not say that players are exploiting a mechanic if we do not know how the mechanic is meant to work due to CCP not giving that information, especially if that information is an integral part on how that mechanic is supposed to work. How the API interacts with Siphon Units is a very important part of how they work, to many the most important part, to leave that side of things undocumented is pretty terrible. If people want to be angry and all grrr then their it should be directed at CCP and not at any part of the player base.
Spin spin spin. The spin is strong in you, Kobol. Maybe even stronger than that of your boss man.
Exploit is an exploit is still ...
Can you get that? |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2647
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:12:00 -
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General Nusense wrote:La Nariz wrote:Hicksimus wrote:Posting in another terrible thread being made worse by members of the npc corporations. FTFY CCP the fix to this problem is removing NPC corps. What is wrong with NPC posters? NOTHING, They are paying accounts just like you. They have the right to post and point out exploits or things ccp forgot about. if your only defense in this situation is "LOL NPC CORP" then you sir need to lay off the koolaid and start thinking like an adult. attacking the poster is not a good way to pretend you are innocent nor does it make you a "gudpoaster". pro tip, if you disagree with someone, write a response directed at that posters post and call them out about it, not the stupid corp under his name.
They only serve to make terrible threads like this and drive off new players, that's what is wrong with them. NPC corps are what's causing the subs to drop and removing them will solve all of the game's problems. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133 |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5745
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:21:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: NPC corps are what's causing the subs to drop and removing them will solve all of the game's problems.
Vets dropping out of the game like flies is because of NPC corps?
Time to put on your lab coat and give us some more of your entertaining scientific data to back that one up.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Prince Kobol
2034
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:30:00 -
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Ab'del Abu wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Darkblad wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:To me, Dev Blogs are, The Wiki is, The patch notes are, but not forum posts. To my observations, API changes often didn't make it into these official documents. Take the removal of NPC/Player kills in wormhole space as an example. In which case the fault lies with CCP for not documenting important changes, not with the players. You can not say that players are exploiting a mechanic if we do not know how the mechanic is meant to work due to CCP not giving that information, especially if that information is an integral part on how that mechanic is supposed to work. How the API interacts with Siphon Units is a very important part of how they work, to many the most important part, to leave that side of things undocumented is pretty terrible. If people want to be angry and all grrr then their it should be directed at CCP and not at any part of the player base. Spin spin spin. The spin is strong in you, Kobol. Exploit is an exploit is still ... Can you get that?
If it just spin then it should be very easy to prove me wrong.
Please point me in the direction of the Dev Blog, Patch Notes, Wiki that explains how the API works in relation to the Siphon Modules, once you have done this it should be very easy to then explain why you think people have exploited the mechanics.
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BoBoZoBo
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
456
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:48:00 -
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It is no exploit. CCP has been known to say one thing and do another all the time (as is their prerogative), and they have been known to be wrong. It is an open stream specifically designed to investigate data. People have been talking about it for weeks already and CCP has not come out with the announcement it normally does when warning against using exploits. So until they say so, it is not. Show us the details and show us where CCP said it was, and we may believe you.
As for the Siphons being useless. They are. Not only for that reason. They should be damn near impossible to find outside of a visual inspection. Primary Test Subject GÇó SmackTalker Elite |
TharOkha
0asis Group
917
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:20:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: They (NPC corps) only serve to make terrible threads like this and drive off new players, that's what is wrong with them. NPC corps are what's causing the subs to drop and removing them will solve all of the game's problems.
also i heard that NPC corp eat children and does not go to church on sundays !!!
NPC corps are the main reason why sov mechanic sucks and drive vets away.
NPC corps also shoot newbies directly in rookie systems and make "kill newbie in rookie frigs" contests
Thats right.... NPC corps are pure evil. If ccp removes NPC corp all will be good and flawless and all EVE problems will vanish...
Behold.. NPC corps... evil menace of EVE CODE. in a nutshell |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2647
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Posted - 2014.08.15 19:42:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:also i heard that NPC corp eat children and does not go to church on sundays !!! NPC corps are the main reason why sov mechanic sucks and drive vets away. NPC corps also shoot newbies directly in rookie systems and make "kill newbie in rookie frigs" contests Thats right.... NPC corps are pure evil. If ccp removes NPC corp all will be good and flawless and all EVE problems will vanish... Behold.. NPC corps... evil menace of EVE
The only solution is to remove npc corps. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133 |
TharOkha
0asis Group
917
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:03:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:TharOkha wrote:also i heard that NPC corp eat children and does not go to church on sundays !!! NPC corps are the main reason why sov mechanic sucks and drive vets away. NPC corps also shoot newbies directly in rookie systems and make "kill newbie in rookie frigs" contests Thats right.... NPC corps are pure evil. If ccp removes NPC corp all will be good and flawless and all EVE problems will vanish... Behold.. NPC corps... evil menace of EVE The only solution is to remove npc corps.
NO !!! the only and final solution is to remove all spacejews.. mein furher o/
on a serious note
If you think that removing certain EVE playergroup will help to get rid all problems in eve then im afraid you are no different from that german guy in 1940s. CODE. in a nutshell |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1924
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:10:00 -
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CCP has been notified to take a look into the matter. In the meantime this thread has been locked pending GM investigation.
I would also like to ask not to continue this discussion elsewhere on the forum, whether it is in a new thread or an excising one, pending the outcome of aforementioned investigation. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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