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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
119
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:04:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: Yes, I am a better player than 95% of you hating noobs. :D You're just a low class, no skills, button pushing, mind sharing, sad excuse of a carebear! :D
And hiding behind a weakly minded named alt, too! :D
Clearly this is your envy talking. I give you a sympathy like and hope it makes you feel better. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1295
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:10:00 -
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Ruskarn Andedare wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'd like to see bounties on players pay out once every 20 minutes, instead of instantly.
I can't help but wonder each time I go into a large battle how much those payouts contribute to lag. I'm not sure 20 minutes would actually be long enough sometimes, make the delay based on how many people in system? I think that idea goes in right direction. Probably link the payout delay to amount of TiDi. Does not solve the amount of data generated on the server- side i guess... TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
546
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:18:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'd like to see bounties on players pay out once every 20 minutes, instead of instantly.
I can't help but wonder each time I go into a large battle how much those payouts contribute to lag. I'm not sure 20 minutes would actually be long enough sometimes, make the delay based on how many people in system? I think that idea goes in right direction. Probably link the payout delay to amount of TiDi. Does not solve the amount of data generated on the server- side i guess...
Without scrapping the bounty payments completely from TiDi battles nothing will prevent that impact but at least this way they'd just be stored for a quieter time.
Debora Tsung wrote: lol, how about once per day, immediately after downtime. :)
That could be a bit harsh but it would definitely make it easier on the hamsters |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1840
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:26:00 -
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Kotronis Georgios wrote:How about CONCORD auto bounty pirates(players) depending on their -security.For example -5 =500mil -10= 1bill ech.ech So low sec will spice up a bit Pirates go for easy/free kill on carebears but same time bounty hunters go after tthem.I think this will bring some life back to low sec.Bounties can be adjusted with type of ship pirate was using like frigates is 0.2 fo the bounty or something ALSO people cant claim same bounty for 30-60 days to avoid alts killing mains for free isk..Constructive responses only please.
You do realize that we actually like having bounties, right? Also, killing your main with an alt doesn't serve you any purpose, because you only get a certain percentage based on the value of the ship the target was flying. You LOSE isk by killing yourself. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1189
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:32:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Ruskarn Andedare wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:I'd like to see bounties on players pay out once every 20 minutes, instead of instantly.
I can't help but wonder each time I go into a large battle how much those payouts contribute to lag. I'm not sure 20 minutes would actually be long enough sometimes, make the delay based on how many people in system? I think that idea goes in right direction. Probably link the payout delay to amount of TiDi. Does not solve the amount of data generated on the server- side i guess...
Do you guys really think the bounty payout and related mail are calculated on the node where it happened and not elsewhere like the market and chat? |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
659
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:45:00 -
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Kotronis Georgios wrote:How about CONCORD auto bounty pirates(players) depending on their -security.For example -5 =500mil -10= 1bill ech.ech So low sec will spice up a bit Pirates go for easy/free kill on carebears but same time bounty hunters go after tthem.I think this will bring some life back to low sec.Bounties can be adjusted with type of ship pirate was using like frigates is 0.2 fo the bounty or something ALSO people cant claim same bounty for 30-60 days to avoid alts killing mains for free isk..Constructive responses only please.
Constructive response can not be provided on an idea that is not constructive itself.
By he way, any time (age) limitation will not have any effect whatsoever. I personally have 2 alts on this account, 3 alts on an active alt account and 6 more on inactive accounts (that could be activated whenever needed) and all of them are 3+ years old. o.0 |
Tweek Etimua
The Paragons
61
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:48:00 -
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Kotronis Georgios wrote:How about CONCORD auto bounty pirates(players) depending on their -security.For example -5 =500mil -10= 1bill ech.ech So low sec will spice up a bit Pirates go for easy/free kill on carebears but same time bounty hunters go after tthem.I think this will bring some life back to low sec.Bounties can be adjusted with type of ship pirate was using like frigates is 0.2 fo the bounty or something ALSO people cant claim same bounty for 30-60 days to avoid alts killing mains for free isk..Constructive responses only please. Bounties need to be transferd to the contract system. |
Marsha Mallow
1430
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:32:00 -
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Alternatively, if a player kills another character the victim is automatically charged a death tax which is paid directly to their killer. Murder is hard work and we don't get paid enough for it. Either that or rework the insurance system (call it a derp tax or something). Insurance payouts to victims is a bad mechanic which effectively compensates people for being losers. DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1189
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:51:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Alternatively, if a player kills another character the victim is automatically charged a death tax which is paid directly to their killer. Murder is hard work and we don't get paid enough for it. Either that or rework the insurance system (call it a derp tax or something). Insurance payouts to victims is a bad mechanic which effectively compensates people for being losers.
You want more people busy grinding ISK to replace losses instead of serving as target? Because insurance payout do exactly that, let people buy another ship so you can shoot them again that much faster. If I get one third of my ship value for losing, that's one third of the value less I have to grind before I derp another one in front of your guns. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1189
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:54:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Kotronis Georgios wrote:How about CONCORD auto bounty pirates(players) depending on their -security.For example -5 =500mil -10= 1bill ech.ech So low sec will spice up a bit Pirates go for easy/free kill on carebears but same time bounty hunters go after tthem.I think this will bring some life back to low sec.Bounties can be adjusted with type of ship pirate was using like frigates is 0.2 fo the bounty or something ALSO people cant claim same bounty for 30-60 days to avoid alts killing mains for free isk..Constructive responses only please. Constructive response can not be provided on an idea that is not constructive itself. By he way, any time (age) limitation will not have any effect whatsoever. I personally have 2 alts on this account, 3 alts on an active alt account and 6 more on inactive accounts (that could be activated whenever needed) and all of them are 3+ years old.
Something like
Target : (player/corp/alliance) Duration : (how many hours/day/week/whatever) Value : (how much you need to kill in value) Payment : (How much ISK is paid for completing it)
???
That would give an infrastructure to merc too so I think it could work. |
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16470
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:00:00 -
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Has anyone asked the OP to show everyone on the doll where the bad men touched him?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5730
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:03:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Quality Scope posting, at it's finest.
Oh, and do it yourself, quit asking for the NPCs to do it for you.
Idk about anyone else, but the first thing I can think of is that killing yourself becomes free money if they give every neg ten a billion isk bounty. I agree with you. Not because of your complete ignorance of how bounties work, though. Because of your second line. Bounties have always been, and should always stay, as player generated content.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Tweek Etimua
The Paragons
61
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:03:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Child molestation isn't funny you idiot. |
Tommy Knife
0
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:05:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Do you where port tanga? Gojira |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
929
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:10:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:DJentropy Ovaert wrote:I can say as a player with about 3 billion bounty on me that bounty is a very serious thing and I literally don't ever undock anymore due to "bounty hunters."
Oh wait. When you hide in station all day ... there's nothing much to hunt anyway, noob. When we can dock up and stare at your avatar, why would we ever want to leave? New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1434
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:13:00 -
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Yet another ISK faucet to "bring life to lowsec". It's not 2012 anymore when we regularly had to check it's pulse. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1840
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:34:00 -
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Tweek Etimua wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Child molestation isn't funny you idiot.
No it isn't. You're absolutely right. But carebear feelings-molestation usually is... and even then, only because a lot of them are ginormous hypocrites.
I wish all carebears were like Chribba and JNB. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
47
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Posted - 2014.08.14 21:23:00 -
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In my experience, pirates mostly die to other pirates. I have yet to see a bounty hunter in low sec. So giving bounties to all pirates means pirates get more bounty payouts. You're essentially subsidizing us so we can gank you more often.
Great idea! In order to keep ISK sinks and faucets balanced I suggest the bounties are paid for by a tax on the income/assets of positive sec players. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
76
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:27:00 -
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So, you're telling me that I can pirate other people, get a bounty, then kill myself with an alt and make instant ISK! YES, I WANT!
NO BAD IDEA! PLEASE THINK BEFORE YOU POST!
If I could get bigger letters, then I would've used them BTW. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
770
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:40:00 -
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GOD NO. Get an alt, disco jita undock, then pod them whenever you want isk. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
829
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:47:00 -
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F&I ----->
Also no.
And I will add however, the bounty hunting system could use another rebalancing pass, and maybe some damn tools to make it a viable profession. Its close, but still not exactly there. In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
38
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:53:00 -
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I'd say no too.
However the bounty system needs an overhaul.
People giving bounties (minimum amount) to anyone just because their name appears in an in-game chat log is just plain silly. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
316
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:09:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Tweek Etimua wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Child molestation isn't funny you idiot. No it isn't. You're absolutely right. But carebear feelings-molestation usually is... and even then, only because a lot of them are ginormous hypocrites. I wish all carebears were like Chribba and JNB.
B-but think of the imaginary space pixel children!!! There should be a law about those kinds of joke because I can't handle a joke at all!!!! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:15:00 -
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Tweek Etimua wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Child molestation isn't funny you idiot. Internet spaceship violence and the hurt feelings of disproportionately invested man baby's is though. where did you get Child molestation from, relax. =][= |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16489
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:20:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Tweek Etimua wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Child molestation isn't funny you idiot. Internet spaceship violence and the hurt feelings of disproportionately invested man baby's is though. where did you get Child molestation from, relax.
Its just buzzwords in order to illicit an emotional response from the sheeple.
Wait.. i think I posted something similar somewhere.. I cant for the life of me remember where.. it was somewhere torchy and pitchforky though.. that's for sure. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4169
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:55:00 -
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Kotronis Georgios wrote:How about CONCORD auto bounty pirates(players) depending on their -security.For example -5 =500mil -10= 1bill ech.ech So low sec will spice up a bit Pirates go for easy/free kill on carebears but same time bounty hunters go after tthem.I think this will bring some life back to low sec.Bounties can be adjusted with type of ship pirate was using like frigates is 0.2 fo the bounty or something ALSO people cant claim same bounty for 30-60 days to avoid alts killing mains for free isk..Constructive responses only please.
The purpose of the bounty system is as an isk sink. What you are proposing would make it a faucet. A faulty one with really bad plumbing. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Edmond Lewis
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.08.15 02:04:00 -
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Id rather a jump delay in high sec for people with KOS sec rating
short enough the cops wont get them, but long enough they cant pod fly through Jita unharmed |
Pelorios
Pelorios Industries
7
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:10:00 -
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If you read the EVElopedia (yeah it has a funny name too) you'll see that what you are proposing already exists. Payouts are a percentage of value lost.
The percentage is currently 20%. So if the "bad" guys loss (i.e. ship+modules) is 100mil then you can only get 20mil for killing him. This 20mil comes out of his bounty. If he only had 10mil bounty, u only get 10mil and his bounty is cleared. If he had 100mil bounty then you would get the full 20mil (in this case) and his bounty would drop to 80mil.
It wasn't always so.
For a long time in EvE the bounty system was a joke. You used to get 100% of the bounty regardless what the other pilot was flying. So you got an alt, blew yourself up and claimed your bounty. Of course you'd need a second account for that (good for CCP) or someone you trusted to kill you and give you the money.
What the new system does makes it rather difficult to make money out of your bounty since you need to spend money on ship+modules and even then you only get 20% of that.
It has also made "bad" guys ...farmable.
In any case, the bounty system is still broken in the sense that anyone can place a bounty on anyone. It makes bounties irrelevant in the sense that they do not accurately reflect whether someone is a pirate or not, if anyone can place a bounty on anyone else.
Official bounties in the RL are placed by authorities.
So, yes, CCP could change this yet again.
They could make it so that bounties are placed automatically by Concord relative to the value lost by the 'victims'. They have rules about what is legal or not, when you get a criminal flag for example. Bounties remain farmable at 20% relative to loss value which makes them non-exploitable.
Now if you really absolutely want the freedom to place bounty because you believe that are an authority, then they could raise the price of that perhaps. Say if you want to place a bounty on someone you have to pay 5 times the bounty that you want placed. So 10mil gets you a 2 mil bounty. The rest goes to the Concord "peace fund".
Don't ask me if the numbers add up. If its an isk-sink or isk-fountain. There are two sides to it. Whatever it is, its against something else. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
126
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Posted - 2014.08.15 06:45:00 -
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Pelorios wrote:Bounties remain farmable at 20% relative to loss value which makes them non-exploitable. Hahaha good joke. We used to have a bounty of ~30bil ISK on corp/alliance before someone infiltrated the corp and removed it with an "exploit". CCP screwed with the prices of some items in the last "expansion" but did not adjust the estimate which made this possible. I was thinking that this was a rather intelligent thing that guy did and that ISK was well deserved, but it looks like CCP was thinking otherwise and simply banned the guy.
They probably just took that 30bil out of the system, but I don't know for sure. I asked via petition about what actually happened to the ISK, unanswered for over half a month now. So a big FU from CCP to the guy who put that money on our heads for some reason, that's how much worth that bounty system is, it's rather a joke.
Now it looks like they screwed with the system again and the killmail only shows 50% of the actual ship market value, at least on the ships I frequently kill. So welcome to 10% bounty. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
114
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Posted - 2014.08.15 10:12:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:I can say as a player with about 3 billion bounty on me that bounty is a very serious thing and I literally don't ever undock anymore due to "bounty hunters."
Oh wait.
Undocking in cheap ships with a 3bil bounty on your head is rated as trolling.
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