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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1842
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:34:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote: (message truncated.... said a bunch of awesome stuff)
If the sec bumps for killing these things are good enough, is it too much to ask for having a way to request only Burner missions, specifically?
Cuz, if I'd be getting a sec bump that is about equal to the sec loss I'd get for shooting another player, this might become my preferred method for controlling my sec rating, and possibly the only missions I'm interested in doing. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
32
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Posted - 2014.08.16 00:38:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:you don't have to run regular level 4 missions. faction standings, the ones you get for running missions in FW... they unlock security agents (and all agents) in an empire. it's not just mission runners who will have access to burners. faction standings are the best standings to have in this case. I'm not sure if you don't know that or if you're trying to persuade player opinion.
'The fact that these missions can only be received as part of the random level 4 security mission pool should prevent them from being too farmable.'
This is what I was referring to. That you need to run 'normal' lvl4s in order to receive a Burner mission. There was no ill intent behind my previous post. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11080
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Posted - 2014.08.16 01:24:00 -
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Lady Rift wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:However since these missions are going to be a bit more profitable than average level 4s These missions should not be in highsec. Level 4 missions do not need any buff in profitability. CCP Fozzie wrote:As an aside, we're completely aware of blitzers (there are plenty of very efficient mission runners in this office) but we feel there's a pretty good range we can place these rewards where they'll be missions that average level 4 mission runners like to see without completely imbalancing the blitzing gameplay. Really? You're comfortable with level 4 blitz income, so you're adding more on top of that? Are you really sure you want to go this route? seams to me that you quoted the answer to your question. - I realize that. It's not an answer that satisfies me. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
63
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Posted - 2014.08.16 01:45:00 -
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Sheeana Harb wrote:Rain6637 wrote:you don't have to run regular level 4 missions. faction standings, the ones you get for running missions in FW... they unlock security agents (and all agents) in an empire. it's not just mission runners who will have access to burners. faction standings are the best standings to have in this case. I'm not sure if you don't know that or if you're trying to persuade player opinion. 'The fact that these missions can only be received as part of the random level 4 security mission pool should prevent them from being too farmable.' This is what I was referring to. That you need to run 'normal' lvl4s in order to receive a Burner mission. There was no ill intent behind my previous post.
Just cycle though different agents no need to do any missions |
Vartan Sarkisian
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
162
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Posted - 2014.08.16 03:41:00 -
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Will any kind of special loot potentially drop from these missions? I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
284
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Posted - 2014.08.16 05:08:00 -
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Mark Prag wrote:Carniflex wrote:Trevor Eve wrote: Yup, adding them to the general level 4 is absolutely the only way they could limit farming.
No possible way they could have done it without forcing people to do battleship missions too.
You do not need to do the "battleship missions for these", hell you do not even need to own the BS to do these. Frigates are pretty damn fast after the warp speed changes so moving around until you get one of these is quite viable. Now if you want to drag whole supply train with you then that can be a bit trickier but nanoed up T3 booster can be still made to sort of not fall too far behind a frigate over the short distances. Sure battleships give you great EHP doing level fours, but honestly, why use that when one can just as easily use a well skilled setup, fit, and implants for a T3 cruiser or Battlecruiser? If one wants to be lazy, keep on using battleships.... I prefer to blitz my garden variety missions in as small a ship as possible to earn as much in as little of time as possible... In regards to the Burner aspect, this will change the rhythm of mission running as a whole, and as I've said before, I'll be looking forward to what other PvE content CCP releases within the next year. Mark Prag 'If the Devil is in the Details, success is in the system.' - J.W. Marriott Battleships are used for majority of Lev 4 missions currently because they do them the fastest on average. They are the "to earn as much as little of time as possible...". That out of the way there is a number of Lev 4 missions that are better done in something smaller. So some people just pick the best tool for the job to the point of having different pirate BS's fitted and ready to go in their missionrunning station of choice for the 1-2 minute difference they make against a more general purpose hull/fit. Say, for example, having both Nightmare and Marachiel and using Nightmare against EM weak missions. Sure you can lose a bit effectivity for particular hull because hulls benefiting from different hardwires but at the end of a gaming session you might have done few more missions than the guy with just a single ship.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
1875
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Posted - 2014.08.16 05:58:00 -
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When I first saw something about level 4 missions for advanced frigates I thought it was an awesome idea. I was thinking a whole new type of agent, a way for new players to progress in the game from level 1 to 4 in just small ships for pve, and a new dynamic with mission-specific fitting. Instead of an expansion for the mission running profession though it just seems like a gimmick to make it less boring for end-game mission grinders. I'm not opposed to adding content to mission running, but I just think this could have been so much more. |
Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
375
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Posted - 2014.08.16 06:24:00 -
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I have a minor suggestion for these missions. I'd like them to include music that has not been used elsewhere in New Eden - or has been very little used. New themes could also be used for these missions as background music. Crius theme for example would make for good background music for such fights.
Yeah, I listen to EVE's own sounds and music. I am weird like that. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |
MOL0TOK
E.V.G.
943
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:29:00 -
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1000 times yes! I don't want shoot thousends paper NPS, I want figth versus few smart & strong ships! I want all 4 lvl missions with this doctrine - not only for frigate vs. frigate, but also for other shiptype! I want use Deimos, Vigilant and other short range ships,buffer armor tank, scrambler and stasis web for interesting PVE with one enemy ships or small group. I want few realistic nps, which as player depends of capacitor availibiity for interactions and can launch drones, not only carry in cargo! -æ-+-+, -¦-î-Ä -+ -¦-â-¦-â -¦-+-é-î! / to Kerzhakoved / |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2702
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Posted - 2014.08.16 08:52:00 -
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Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:
...but you'll never catch me flying purple! The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
15685
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Posted - 2014.08.16 09:17:00 -
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seeing indah in space makes me fly purple, if you know what i mean President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1397
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Posted - 2014.08.16 10:46:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:David Kir wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote: CCP constantly trying to force PvE players into doing PvP
"Burner Missions are 100% optional. " You are a waste of forum space. So are you, especially since you can't see the big picture. DMC
DeMichael Crimson, the sperglord of EVE Online Forums. Do us all a favor and biomass yourself. The Tears Must Flow |
Optimo Sebiestor
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
259
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Posted - 2014.08.16 11:46:00 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Sheeana Harb wrote:Rain6637 wrote:you don't have to run regular level 4 missions. faction standings, the ones you get for running missions in FW... they unlock security agents (and all agents) in an empire. it's not just mission runners who will have access to burners. faction standings are the best standings to have in this case. I'm not sure if you don't know that or if you're trying to persuade player opinion. 'The fact that these missions can only be received as part of the random level 4 security mission pool should prevent them from being too farmable.' This is what I was referring to. That you need to run 'normal' lvl4s in order to receive a Burner mission. There was no ill intent behind my previous post. Just cycle though different agents no need to do any missions
People dont want to fly 40 jumps to visit a bunch of agents, its a Complete Waste of Gametime. If you live in lowsec or null, its not a very good way of making isk.
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Treacle Fox
Imperial Guardians Spaceship Samurai
1
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Posted - 2014.08.16 12:09:00 -
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Will the burner NPC's warp away if not tackled? |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
284
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Posted - 2014.08.16 13:09:00 -
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Optimo Sebiestor wrote:
People dont want to fly 40 jumps to visit a bunch of agents, its a Complete Waste of Gametime. If you live in lowsec or null, its not a very good way of making isk.
Odd. Thats exactly what my FW alt does when farming FW lev 4's. And actually most of it is indeed in low sec. Null sec is not much harder, you just take usually interceptor over covops for travel. Doing the full round plus the missions is altogether approx 80 ... 100 jumps over approx 3..4 h gaming session.
You are ofc right in that regard that I do not want to do that amount of jumps. But that's what it takes to get these missions. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
stoicfaux
5281
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Posted - 2014.08.16 19:47:00 -
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My Ishtar is ready. I'll run one, maybe two, burner missions in it just to show that the Ishtar is still OP/imba.
[Ishtar, level 4 burners] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Warden II x5 Bouncer II x5
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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epicurus ataraxia
Lazerhawks
1035
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Posted - 2014.08.16 19:54:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:My Ishtar is ready. I'll run one, maybe two, burner missions in it just to show that the Ishtar is still OP/imba.
[Ishtar, level 4 burners] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Optimal Range Script
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor I
Medium Ancillary Current Router II Medium Ancillary Current Router II
Warden II x5 Bouncer II x5
Frigates only?
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
stoicfaux
5281
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:07:00 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote:Frigates only? Since when is space restricted to frigates?
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
284
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Posted - 2014.08.16 20:48:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Frigates only? Since when is space restricted to frigates?
These are gated. Gates allowing only frigates. Otherwise everyone and their dog would do them indeed in isthars or rapid light cerberuses.
Ahh I think I get it. You plan to fly from acceleration gate to the mission deadspace pocket with that oversize MWD Isthar. How fast is it going with links and pill? About 10 000 km/h? Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1924
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Posted - 2014.08.16 21:04:00 -
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Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Rain6637
Team Evil
15687
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:27:00 -
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only mission i lost a harpy to was worlds collide. those webs man President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Gargep Farrow
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:42:00 -
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I hope the devs are still reading at this point.
I really like the whole idea and hope this trial works out and is expanded. Adding a bit of extra challenge is always a good thing.
My biggest concern is a personal one. I have the skill training and the ships to go into these missions, but I am concerned that I lack player skill to complete these missions if they are as difficult as they should be.
What I would like to see if this concepts goes forward is a second version of these missions that focus on training. the training missions should be set to run as many as needed with minimal isk and LP payouts. The real pay is what you learn plus the possibility of some low level faction drops that will help.
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Domanique Altares
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
3072
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:48:00 -
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Oh, hey. Cheese missions with cheese NPCs, attempting to simulate ProSolo[tm] PvP.
Does the Dram pilot NPC decloak his Falcon alt NPC when he starts getting his **** pushed in by a player with 90% webs? "i advice you to go spit on the back of someone else because you are fall on the wrong horse." - Meio Rayliegh |
Savon Starfarer
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
0
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:55:00 -
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I love the idea of burner missions.
Being a mission runner, its a nice change of pace to be in my maurader, fly out, bastion, shoot crosses (Big and Small), loot, turn in ... rinse and repeat. I definitely welcome it \o/
Noting that CCP Fozzie mentioned that the mission will give information on how the 'burners' will be fitted. Like this:
"This pirate will be flying a shield boosted Dramiel frigate, with an extremely small signature radius. He tends to deal most of his damage with Domination Fusion ammo, supplemented with Mjolnir rockets. Survivors of his previous attacks claim that he likes to orbit his opponents at very close range at high speed to make himself hard to hit. He always flies with a Stasis Webifier and Warp Scrambler fit."
I am suggesting here a way to make these burners mission more interesting. and varied
=> Although you are making us fight pirates of different faction, their stats may not need to be the same all the time. given the example above, you can make 70% of mission follow said pirate doctrine like above and have 30% of variation like below:
"Although this pirate will be flying a shield boosted Dramiel frigate, with an extremely small signature radius, He like to be unpredictable to surprise his enemy, He tends to deal most of his damage with Photon Ammo using artillery and using sensor damper to hamper his enemy, supplemented with occassional Mjolnir light missiles. Survivors of his previous attacks claim that he likes to stay at distance at relatively high speed to make himself out of range of return fire. You may want to consider fitting a mwd to get close to him and punch him in the face or bring a long range weapon."
Needless to say, there are many variety that this can bring. and missioner need to read the text a bit before flying out.
Just a suggestion.
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Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
126
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Posted - 2014.08.17 04:20:00 -
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Awesome Dev Blog, while EvE is ( not only but strong focused on pvp and player relations) finaly some love to those who like pve mode, Very cool concept.
If it bleed we can kill it. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1552
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:54:00 -
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Not sure if this was explained.
Can few dudes in frigates fly into one mission complex ? |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2711
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:44:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Frigates only? Since when is space restricted to frigates?
Gated deadspace pockets may (and in this case will) have hull size restrictions. Scanning the deadspace pocket will take you to the acceleration gate, which then will not allow you use it with any other hull than T1/T2/Faction frigate. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2711
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:53:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:(...)
On topic: From personal experience I can say all level 4 missions are completable in a T II fitted Assault Frigate (although some take quite some time.....).
I did that years ago in a pre-balancing Punisher, just to test whether it was doable.
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...but technically doable, specially when there are few BS. "Buzz Kill" is a blast, though. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
151
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Posted - 2014.08.17 08:04:00 -
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Domanique Altares wrote:Does the Dram pilot NPC decloak his Falcon alt NPC when he starts getting his **** pushed in by a player with 90% webs? Actually, that is an interesting idea.
Say, once a Burner pirate hits hull, there could be a 50% chance of an elite Guristas cruiser spawning within 50 km. |
Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
285
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Posted - 2014.08.17 09:39:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:stoicfaux wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Frigates only? Since when is space restricted to frigates? Gated deadspace pockets may (and in this case will) have hull size restrictions. Scanning the deadspace pocket will take you to the acceleration gate, which then will not allow you use it with any other hull than T1/T2/Faction frigate.
If you look at his setup you see it has 100MN MWD on it. Activation cost of that is halved in the upcoming patch. It should be doing about 5 km/s before any links or pill or pirate implant set or hardwires. Just takes a while to get up to speed.
Usually the distance the acceleration gate throws you is ~10 000 ... 15 000 km. He will be there in less than hour without taking the acceleration gate. Just have to align pretty carefully or he will miss the grid with the target NPC in it. Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
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