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RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:38:00 -
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The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?
EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.
What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.
Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?
There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information. |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:42:00 -
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Change your API Key?!?!?!?!?! |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:43:00 -
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If you don't want them to have your API don't give it to them. Yes its that simple. |
Shaedyn
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:44:00 -
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Awoxing 2 hard? QQ |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:53:00 -
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Oh god.. API Whine is the new FOTW.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 15:58:00 -
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You spend your life on the forums unsuccess, tell us is it the new whine of the month?
Or does a new player see things and wonder about being recruited and the info that comes out in the API. Changing it's one thing, but the corp can ask for it again if it don't work. This will be a red flag.
I see that this siphon crap hit the fan so to speak, I don't care.
What I care about or am curious about is the fact hat they had the ability to "lie" to API.
Why not give pirates and spies more ability and be able to "lie" to your API.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Caldari Armed Forces.
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:00:00 -
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RegardIess wrote:You spend your life on the forums unsuccess, tell us is it the new whine of the month?
Or does a new player see things and wonder about being recruited and the info that comes out in the API. Changing it's one thing, but the corp can ask for it again if it don't work. This will be a red flag.
I see that this siphon crap hit the fan so to speak, I don't care.
What I care about or am curious about is the fact hat they had the ability to "lie" to API.
Why not give pirates and spies more ability and be able to "lie" to your API.
NPC CORP DOES NOT ASK YOUR API |
RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:04:00 -
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Well, there you go.
Anyone wanting to avoid API information ****..
Go to NPC corp or one that doesn't use it (crap corporations, not rvb).
Must be other reasons,we can't lie to API in one instance, but we can possibly in others.
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Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:04:00 -
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Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Please lock. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:05:00 -
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RegardIess wrote:The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?
EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.
What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.
Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?
There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information.
I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game...
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RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:08:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Please lock.
reported, if you jump into a thread add something or gtfo. |
RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:10:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:RegardIess wrote:The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?
EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.
What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.
Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?
There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information. I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game...
I can respect this aspect of it, but is it if CCP already try to "mask" it with siphoning?
Are API compilers a CCP technology or software by other people that compile the data and ccp just controls the raw data being released?
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
643
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:13:00 -
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Thought this was going to be another Siphon Unit API whine thread. |
Noriko Mai
1421
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:13:00 -
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RegardIess wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Stupid thread. Stupid OP. Please lock. reported, if you jump into a thread add something or gtfo. Oh sorry. I haven't seen that you are part of the dickwad squad... |
De'Veldrin
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:32:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:Thought this was going to be another Siphon Unit API whine thread.
I guess I'm confused. What's the deal with Siphon Units and the API? De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1189
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:36:00 -
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RegardIess wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:RegardIess wrote:The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?
EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.
What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.
Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?
There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information. I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game... I can respect this aspect of it, but is it if CCP already try to "mask" it with siphoning? Are API compilers a CCP technology or software by other people that compile the data and ccp just controls the raw data being released?
Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against. Are you asking to be able to give bogus info through the API or stopping people from siphoning info through the API system?
If the former, I'm pretty sure CCP will never do it. It would kill the whole legetimacy of the whole API system if we could just feed it bogus info.
If you want your data to stay "confidential" then just kill the key you provided to people and make new ones when you need them. |
RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:48:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against.
I was just asking if there was any counters or believed to be a an ability to "lie" to the API via like this siphon drama that seems to be happening.
If there is not a current way, i wonder if there should be? If not, why not? ( i got some of those reasons).
I just seems like more depth to the game, like getting rid of local.
I am going to take one number and tell you everything about this EVE toon, even his communications. ( i know change API, no full api etc) I would like to see different options in the ability to "lie" but i don't know if this should be possible in game limits.
So many people love EVE this HTFU attitude, all of sudden throw some mystery in the pilots history and whooooaaaa drama care bear bomb from all these hard core pilots.
Way back in EVE they had no kill mails, no API they still seemed to be ok, were thefts higher, lower more protection because of API?
Does API back fire on some corps as false sense of security? They act like they have clue what they look at with API, but really don't have a clue. Then they get awoxed or stole from because they don't know what to look at, just everyone now days requires it to avoid "badguys". |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.08.14 16:53:00 -
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RegardIess wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote: Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against.
I was just asking if there was any counters or believed to be a an ability to "lie" to the API via like this siphon drama that seems to be happening. If there is not a current way, i wonder if there should be? If not, why not? ( i got some of those reasons). I just seems like more depth to the game, like getting rid of local. I am going to take one number and tell you everything about this EVE toon, even his communications. ( i know change API, no full api etc) I would like to see different options in the ability to "lie" but i don't know if this should be possible in game limits. So many people love EVE this HTFU attitude, all of sudden throw some mystery in the pilots history and whooooaaaa drama care bear bomb from all these hard core pilots. Way back in EVE they had no kill mails, no API they still seemed to be ok, were thefts higher, lower more protection because of API? Does API back fire on some corps as false sense of security? They act like they have clue what they look at with API, but really don't have a clue. Then they get awoxed or stole from because they don't know what to look at, just everyone now days requires it to avoid "badguys".
As I said in the previous post, what's the point of supporting an API system if the information can be made bogus? People would just stop using them because they would expect people to have played with their API all the time. |
RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:07:00 -
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Doesn't CCP making that information "bogus" (see siphon)open up the ability to maybe manipulate other things? Is it really bad if people stoppped using APIs? Why? |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:19:00 -
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The API was one of CCP most critical implementations and EVE wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if they didn't implement the API, making the API provide fake information is a sure way to make it go downhill.
/c
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RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 17:31:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The API was one of CCP most critical implementations and EVE wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if they didn't implement the API, making the API provide fake information is a sure way to make it go downhill.
/c
So you are full on against siphons and their use if they influence API? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1189
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:19:00 -
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RegardIess wrote:Doesn't CCP making that information "bogus" (see siphon)open up the ability to maybe manipulate other things? Is it really bad if people stoppped using APIs? Why?
CCP is god in game term so they can bend the rules however they wish. The reason why they make the API lie is so you can't know there is a syphon unit on your tower but even that failed. The player were informed the API would lie in such exact case. If you can feed bogus information at will to the API, everybody will assume the information is wrong and stop using it because it's worthless. All the time sunk into building the architecture for it would be a complete waste. |
Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
342
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Posted - 2014.08.14 18:43:00 -
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Noriko Mai wrote:Change your API Key?!?!?!?!?!
/thread
It's not rocket science. Don't give out info that you don't want others to have.
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RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.14 19:06:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:Noriko Mai wrote:Change your API Key?!?!?!?!?! /thread It's not rocket science. Don't give out info that you don't want others to have.
What about the ability of giving bad information to people you do want to have it? API makes it legit, seemly.
I understand your worry about one of the only "stable"decent systems CCP has put out in the years. I like many features of API, just a question in terms of one change(siphon), means possible more change in that area.
I think people rely on it, too much at times. Like the local channel in game. Does getting rid of it or changing it always mean terrible idea, next?
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S'Way
Bitter Vets
830
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Posted - 2014.08.14 19:39:00 -
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Chribba wrote:The API was one of CCP most critical implementations and EVE wouldn't be anywhere near where it is today if they didn't implement the API, making the API provide fake information is a sure way to make it go downhill.
/c While I agree with the API being a good thing generally I do think it should have some limits (especially when CCP add things to the game like siphons which are rendered pointless by the information it provides).
As for where EvE is now, the fact almost every decent null corp wants full API keys means the main power blocks know virtually everything about all their members. This isn't a good thing for the game, in fact it reduces chances of conflict from spies gaining information etc. (sure spies still get around the API checks but it does drastically reduce the number of them). Back in the days of limited API's being standard the game was in a better place imo.
Personally I'd like to see the API have certain calls that are not changeable (character info, standings etc for things like eve-board), but also some calls that give variable results (like siphon filters). You shouldn't be able to get all information from the game without logging in - If someone has to log in to deploy a siphon, then the defender should have to log in to notice it.
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.14 22:43:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:RegardIess wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:RegardIess wrote:The API tool is used very widely by EVE to figure out different stats about a player, corp or alliance. With the addition of things like Siphon units (that should be lying to api) that mask the real intentions and data of the users api. Should there be other counters to the API tool?
EVE has always promoted piracy and overall sneakiness. Now most the time there has to be clueless person at the helm of a org to not check the API back n forth and have all the info they need.
What is the counter to this tactic? most will say "make a new toon". One shouldn't have to make a new toon to plunder and pillage with his character.
Is there ways to fake API information to lull someone into feeling safer? to pull off an agenda? If someone gets your API/full API are you done in terms of your shenanigans?
There are other ways of checking kill boards for AWOX etc, but what about a real counter to API information. I am pretty sure it's meant to be one of the only pure truth about this game... I can respect this aspect of it, but is it if CCP already try to "mask" it with siphoning? Are API compilers a CCP technology or software by other people that compile the data and ccp just controls the raw data being released? Pretty sure the API put the selected data available on the API server just as data and your app have to make the right call. Now I am pretty confused about what you want or protest against. Are you asking to be able to give bogus info through the API or stopping people from siphoning info through the API system? If the former, I'm pretty sure CCP will never do it. It would kill the whole legetimacy of the whole API system if we could just feed it bogus info.
If you want your data to stay "confidential" then just kill the key you provided to people and make new ones when you need them.
Bolded and underlined the relevant part, that would be the best reason for doing it. API system is more trouble than it's worth. How did people manage before the API system, but they did. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2014.08.14 23:23:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote: API system is more trouble than it's worth. How did people manage before the API system, but they did. That would be giving away useful information.
Seems in the future, that would become a pretty good advantage for having your own infrastructure, that... of course means those without will have to suffer. Nice. ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Serene Repose
1507
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Posted - 2014.08.15 02:53:00 -
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The Illuminati built a life-sized statue of Elvis Presley on the dark side of the moon. I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1191
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Posted - 2014.08.15 03:39:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:The Illuminati built a life-sized statue of Elvis Presley on the dark side of the moon.
If you break the statue, Elvis is there in cryo-hibernation. |
RegardIess
The Dickwad Squad
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Posted - 2014.08.15 13:47:00 -
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Some very good point and a few terrible trying to be funny trolls. ha.
I think people get scared if you start removing the crutches they use in EVE.
I think a few are spot on, so what if API goes away we would deal with it, EVE did before.
I would say then there was even LESS thieves and in game crooks back then, as there are now.
I think being able to manipulate data in your own API should have some place in EVE. It will add more depth and things will be more mixed up. imagine having to actually be aware of your corp pilots action vs just reading API.
stop sleeping. your so comfortable in your EVE snuggy. |
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