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Oz Hilanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:26:00 -
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Hi all,
I've only been playing for less than a month and I'm currently developing my mining skills. I have a Procurer, 5 Mining I drones and 5 Worrior I light scout drones for defence, and a strip minining I laser.
I've benn messing around in 0.5+ space for a while, making about 1.8 million ISK per run buy just filling up my hold with the more common ores and selling them local. My mining drone and Light drone skills are both at level 4 and I'm working on getting them to level 5 so I can invest in Miner II drones and Class II light drones.
Given this setup, how capable would I be of defending myslelf in lower sec space? I'd like to start looking for the rarer ores so I can start making more profit. Should I wait until my light drone skill allows me to get some class II Wasps or Hobgoblins before venturing into lower sec space?
I've also started shopping around for a corp to join. Might it just be more profitable to join a mining corp rather than venture into low sec systems? |
Paranoid Loyd
1421
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:37:00 -
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Alone, you will not be able to defend yourself in Low-Sec. You are using a Procurer so you might be passed over as bait, but more times than not you will be attacked.
It can be done if you are looking for an edge of your seat mining experience but unfortunately you will not make more isk by going to low-sec. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Oz Hilanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:41:00 -
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So, I just need to sit tight, join a corp and build up enough ISK to get a more robust ship with better defences. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:48:00 -
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Oz Hilanen wrote:So, I just need to sit tight, join a corp and build up enough ISK to get a more robust ship with better defences. join a corp but you should explore other thing aswell, don't pidgin hole yourself into mining. =][= |
Oz Hilanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.15 00:51:00 -
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Yeah, I actually like scanning/exploring as well but I haven't put nearly as much time onto skils and equipment for it. I actually tend to make more money at it as well. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:04:00 -
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you might find this intresting then http://youtu.be/muPV0HiyoDk?list=UU6L76TQIxYnWrkQrF7tErSg requires you to learn to combat probe, invaluable in pvp =][= |
Forest Archer
Pandora Sphere Disavowed.
143
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:06:00 -
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Not to be negative but mining is arguably the least Isk making career in eve maybe better then professional pirate but it can be close if you are a decent pirate (mining is better if you lose a lot as a pirate). Not that it is bad to mine just very dull and not great profits. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5896
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:10:00 -
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Oz Hilanen wrote:So, I just need to sit tight, join a corp and build up enough ISK to get a more robust ship with better defences. Understand something... even with max skills and the best equipment available a Mining Barge of any kind can only directly defend itself against a narrow range of targets.
I should know... I use a PvP-fit Procurer as bait in low-sec (I am primarily a PvPer). I can only successfully engage close range frigates and destroyers... not much else. And especially not when they are in groups (which is extremely common).
The best form of defense is using your directional scanner (found on the left side of your capacitor hud) and warping away as soon as a threat appears on scan.
That said... the ores in low-sec are not that much better than high-sec. Sometimes you get lucky and find a cosmic anomaly with some really cool 0.0 rocks in it... but even that will not get you much. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Oz Hilanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:17:00 -
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I actually like scanning for relics/data sites more, and I usually make more ISK doing it but mining seems like the safest, baseline means of getting ISK so I wanted to get my mining ability up so that I could support myself if need be. I suppose I should just be content in 0.5+ space and start really developing skills for scanning and exlporing. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:21:00 -
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Oz Hilanen wrote:I actually like scanning for relics/data sites more, and I usually make more ISK doing it but mining seems like the safest, baseline means of getting ISK so I wanted to get my mining ability up so that I could support myself if need be. I suppose I should just be content in 0.5+ space and start really developing skills for scanning and exlporing. baisic scanning can be trained in a couple of hours dude, if you like it, go for it, you can always come back to mining =][= |
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
147
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:22:00 -
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Yeah, if you want to mine in lowsec you're going to want to spam that dscan button the second someone pops up in local. If I (or basically anyone) see a mining barge in lowsec, I'm going in as fast as possible to catch you. Hell, I got myself Concorded trying to "tackle" a couple barges in a 0.5 system; I was sleepy and thought I was still in low sec and got all excited at the thought of being able to hold a mining barge hostage and ransom them . So excited I didn't pay attention to where I was.
Basically, if you do mine in low sec, be careful. Very, careful.
In fact, wherever you mine, be careful. Very, careful.
For the Golden Goat! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3895
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:27:00 -
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Master Harkonnen wrote:You'd better be watching local like a tweaker ***** and pumping d-scan for all she's worth, dude. =][= |
Oz Hilanen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.15 01:31:00 -
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Thanks guys (and girls), I'll join a mining corp and use mining as a stable base income, then get back into my scanning ship and go exploring. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20140
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Posted - 2014.08.15 02:27:00 -
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Oz Hilanen wrote:Thanks guys (and girls), I'll join a mining corp and use mining as a stable base income, then get back into my scanning ship and go exploring. Look for corps that offer Orca boosting support, even if it's off grid you'll see a fairly significant increase in income because of the reduced cycle times, downside you'll be dropping off at a station or POS more often.
You've got the right idea with diversifying your activities though. Try everything, stick with the stuff you enjoy. Never hold your farts in. They travel up your spine and into the brain, where they ferment. They then migrate to your keyboard via your fingers. That's where shiptoasts come from.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2611
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Posted - 2014.08.15 08:02:00 -
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Mining and exploration is what I do during my carebearing binges and it works for me. Although I must say that if there weren't a few lucky drops from 4/10 DEDs (those are combat sites you have to scan, not regular anomalies you can just warp to) mining would beat a living sh!t out of my exploration ISK-wise :) Filling up orca (120k m3 of ore space because I tank like a mofo) within 30-40 minutes gives quite nice AND STEADY ISK/hr regardless of what you mine (of course you mine what's best for your wallet first). Of course L4s or lowsec hunting for clone rats will net you more and nobody says you cannot mix all those things together for fun and variety.
As said above, don't get stuck in just one activity, try different things, find what you like and what you don't, specialize in things you like and want to do on daily basis. You don't have to be perfect miner or scanner or hauler or frigate pilot to start doing any of those things, basic skills are ok for testing waters and finding out whether you like doing it or not.
Perfect skills will come with time but in-game skills are inferior to your PLAYER skills and experience. You can always buy perfect orca and exhumer pilot characters on bazaar but you cannot buy your personal experience and knowledge about ins and outs of the game. There are pilots killing shiny battleships in puny frigs and dessies simply because experience trumps ISK almost always. Experience and friends - there's no counter to space friendship in Eve :)
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Cyno for Titan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.15 14:57:00 -
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i make about 45m isk per hour with mining. so its not the hightest income, but not that much bad as some metioned. |
Leafar Nightfall
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2014.08.15 17:12:00 -
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I casually mine when there's nothing else I'm willing to do. That being said, I'm not sure about how much more profitable it would be to mine in low sec if you look at the risk/reward ratio. As others mentioned, you're more likely to be attacked and as far as I know the ores there are not much more profitable then mining in high sec, since they have larger volumes (m-¦) per unit their value/m-¦ isn't much better then mining in HS
If you're looking for profitability and fun I'd recommend looking into ice mining and gas mining. Ice can be found in anomalies and you'd have to look around for them, although I "camp" a system where they spawn regularly so I imagine that you can settle down once you find something similar. Gas is kind of common in low sec and wormholes and requires you to scan the signatures, since you're into exploration you should have some fun. There's also the Prospect expedition frigate that you can look into, it is a covert-ops T2 Venture that can warp cloaked and have a bigger ore bay (10000m-¦) |
Lady Areola Fappington
2142
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Posted - 2014.08.15 18:09:00 -
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Hi newbie miner! I hope you're having fun with EVE so far!
You need to shift your mindset just a little bit when thinking about defending yourself, mining in lowsec. If you're in a mining ship and pirates are on grid with you, it's too late at that point.
Think one step ahead, if you're going solo. Keep an eye on local, and D-scan. Use the mining ship with a covops cloak. Make lots and lots of safe points (those are just bookmarks in open space, often set by warping between celestials, picking a random spot inbetween). Find quiet systems.
Heck, you might try making friends with the locals. Friendship is the strongest "ship" in the game, you may hook up with a group and make some new buddies (and ISK harvesting lowsec ore)!
Overall, don't get discouraged, and keep thinking up new ideas to do things. It's the EVE way. Kentucky Derby losers are not turned into Ikea meatballs. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev did not accidentally blow up vowels in his own name. The chupacabra does not deliver presents on Cinco De Mayo. Anytime minutes donGÇÖt let you call the future. |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1131
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Posted - 2014.08.15 20:57:00 -
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Stop mining. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov! |
Paranoid Loyd
1434
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Posted - 2014.08.15 21:10:00 -
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Lugia3 wrote:Stop mining.
Agreed, but it is a productive thing to do while you are learning about the game by reading various interweb resources and chatting with people who know more than you and can teach you a thing or two, but beyond that not so much as you can quickly skill into other things like exploring and ninja salvaging/looting that will be much more interactive and fun. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1445
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Posted - 2014.08.16 22:48:00 -
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Mining in lowsec really should be done in the context of a corp that does a strong home defense. While not designated bait for a fleet, you do act as a fleetmember that generates fights (aka content) just by being there. While your ship might not always be saved, a good combination of fitting and non-AFK gameplay can be quite productive. It does have some merit to mine in lowsec instead of hisec, but it's not really offset by the risk. It is offset by the fun you'd have playing with other people and being a valuable industrialist to your corp. |
Kry Meariver
Kry Meariver Corporation
18
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Posted - 2014.08.18 00:11:00 -
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I thought I would give you some tips about mining. First off, don't join a mining corporation. These corporations get war-decced by high sec pvpers for easy targets (Marmite Collective, Devil's Warrior Alliance, etc.). Join a player corporation to socialize and do stuff in game that you can't do alone. If you are not going to join a player corporation right off the bat, consider making your own corporation. It takes just a few minutes to train Corporation Management to 1 and costs very little. This will get you out of the NPC Tax, and your chance of getting a war dec are low (so long as you do not provoke anyone).
Next off, 0.5 sec status is the most profitable hi-sec has to offer. You are wise to use a Procurer rather than a Retriever. Don't be gank bait. Scordite, Plagioclase, and Pyroxeres (in Amarr space) are the most profitable.
Finally, here is a nice fit to discourage gankers. You won't be able to fit all of the tier 2 mods, but you can down fit. Consider this something to work towards. For the money it is great for both protection and profitability.
High Slot: Modulated Strip Miner II + proper mining crystal Medium Slot: Thermic Disspation Field II Medium Slot: Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Slot: Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Slot: Survey Scanner II Low Slot: Mining Laser Upgrade II Low Slot: Mining Laser Upgrade II Rig: Medium Core Defense Extender I Rig: Medium Core Defense Extender I Rig: Medium Core Defense Extender I
Drones 4 * Hobgoblin II 1 * Salvage Drone 5 * Mining Drone II
If you do come under attack by a group of gankers, overheat your middle rack (you need to train Thermodynamics). The Thermic Dissapation field really helps your durability to the dreaded Gankzilla fit Catalyst. The EM hole in your shields is covered by the large EM resist in your armor so you still aren't vunerable to the EMP Thrasher.
Hope that helps. |
Tired ofEVE
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.18 02:00:00 -
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Cyno for Titan wrote:i make about 45m isk per hour with mining. so its not the hightest income, but not that much bad as some metioned.
that's with how many accounts?
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
152
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Posted - 2014.08.18 03:01:00 -
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Tired ofEVE wrote:Cyno for Titan wrote:i make about 45m isk per hour with mining. so its not the hightest income, but not that much bad as some metioned. that's with how many accounts? Must be at least 2-3 plus orca boost
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
127
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Posted - 2014.08.18 15:02:00 -
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Oz Hilanen wrote:Hi all,
I've only been playing for less than a month and I'm currently developing my mining skills. I have a Procurer, 5 Mining I drones and 5 Worrior I light scout drones for defence, and a strip minining I laser.
I've benn messing around in 0.5+ space for a while, making about 1.8 million ISK per run buy just filling up my hold with the more common ores and selling them local. My mining drone and Light drone skills are both at level 4 and I'm working on getting them to level 5 so I can invest in Miner II drones and Class II light drones.
Given this setup, how capable would I be of defending myslelf in lower sec space? I'd like to start looking for the rarer ores so I can start making more profit. Should I wait until my light drone skill allows me to get some class II Wasps or Hobgoblins before venturing into lower sec space?
I've also started shopping around for a corp to join. Might it just be more profitable to join a mining corp rather than venture into low sec systems?
With a good fitting & skills a Procurer is a tough cookie to crack. Other than 'miner-bumping' or jet-can theft you are not going to have any problems. Joining a corporation that specifically advertises itself as a mining, industrial, or newbie-friendly can be problematic as they will invariably be wardecced quite often. I would advise against joining such a corporation except if it is keeping a low profile and not advertising its activities. Mining in low sec is not advisable unless you are in a well set up fleet and even then it will be a pain. Better to keep an eye out for grav sites in high sec with Hedbergite, Hemorphite, & Jaspet in them if you want the 'rarer ores.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
127
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Posted - 2014.08.18 15:05:00 -
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Kry Meariver wrote:I thought I would give you some tips about mining. First off, don't join a mining corporation. These corporations get war-decced by high sec pvpers for easy targets (Marmite Collective, Devil's Warrior Alliance, etc.). Join a player corporation to socialize and do stuff in game that you can't do alone. If you are not going to join a player corporation right off the bat, consider making your own corporation. It takes just a few minutes to train Corporation Management to 1 and costs very little. This will get you out of the NPC Tax, and your chance of getting a war dec are low (so long as you do not provoke anyone).
Next off, 0.5 sec status is the most profitable hi-sec has to offer. You are wise to use a Procurer rather than a Retriever. Don't be gank bait. Scordite, Plagioclase, and Pyroxeres (in Amarr space) are the most profitable.
Finally, here is a nice fit to discourage gankers. You won't be able to fit all of the tier 2 mods, but you can down fit. Consider this something to work towards. For the money it is great for both protection and profitability.
High Slot: Modulated Strip Miner II + proper mining crystal Medium Slot: Thermic Disspation Field II Medium Slot: Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Slot: Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Medium Slot: Survey Scanner II Low Slot: Mining Laser Upgrade II Low Slot: Mining Laser Upgrade II Rig: Medium Core Defense Extender I Rig: Medium Core Defense Extender I Rig: Medium Core Defense Extender I
Drones 4 * Hobgoblin II 1 * Salvage Drone 5 * Mining Drone II
If you do come under attack by a group of gankers, overheat your middle rack (you need to train Thermodynamics). The Thermic Dissapation field really helps your durability to the dreaded Gankzilla fit Catalyst. The EM hole in your shields is covered by the large EM resist in your armor so you still aren't vunerable to the EMP Thrasher.
Hope that helps.
It's a good idea to swap one of the MLU II in the low slots for a Damage Control II module to give even more tank. |
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