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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 19/07/2006 00:35:23 While we're at it, lets ban players who are logged into more than one account at a time. I can't stand it that someone with more RL money than me can have a second skill training, and an extra rack of lows/mids/highs to use against me. That and their constantly referring to their multiple "selves" in the third person ruins my RP experience.
So, ban alts.
(sorry, I meant to post this as a reply to the "ban isk buyers" thread, pressed the wrong button).
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cathandra on 19/07/2006 00:36:56 isk buyers suck
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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:42:00 -
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Alts suck too, for all the same reasons people complain about isk buyers. In fact, if there were no alts, isk farmers would be far fewer and there'd be less isk selling.
So there.
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:46:00 -
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1 player, 1 character. Shrug, I only have the one account, so..
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:50:00 -
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Better yet, let's ban anyone who logs in! Then the lag will go away!
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:51:00 -
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Hyberbole really dosn't help, now Cathendra
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:52:00 -
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Yes it does.
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.19 00:53:00 -
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Not when you're discussing a clear point. It's a rational extrapolation from the ban-mentality which you apparently share in.
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Blind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:47:00 -
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CCP will never do that as they make good $ from people with multiple accounts
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Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Blind Man CCP will never do that as they make good $ from people with multiple accounts
Well then they may as well start selling skillpoints to people for real life money to, that'd also get them rich.
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SlyPanther
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.19 02:29:00 -
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I have two accounts, one is my hauler/retail monkey and my main shoots things but can do what the Alt does. The reason I ended up getting a 2nd account after 12months of playing was I could have someone in Empire to buy me goodies and haul ore around.
I don't have the account active every month though due to cash flow being low sometimes and the fact I end up paying more due to exchange rates. I don't see a problem with multiple accounts in all honestly, but ISK sellers and buyers are one thing in EVE I would like to see the back of. ----------
Steve Erwin - He's like Fosters, only for export and never for use in Australia |
Cathandra
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Posted - 2006.07.19 03:26:00 -
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Omigawd ban the pirates they make carebears quit playing
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.19 05:10:00 -
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Hire three guys that do nothing but investigate macro mining charges. Offer a one million isk bounty for information leading to the ban of an account. If there are two apocs mining in high sec, with an Iteron V hauling for them, they get a convo. If they call anyone a "walkjeep" or refer to my mother as a "force" (I'm looking at you, Meirenerhao) then they get a criminal flag and I get to shoot at them.
Then you suspend their account for a month, and if they don't make a convincing argument for having it reactivated, they get to go to banville.
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XoPhyte
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 19/07/2006 15:16:41 I use multiple characters because I want to experience multiple "careers" in eve. IE I have a main miner/builder and an alt PVP character. They are both highly skilled in what they do and nothing else. My miner cannot fight worth a damn, and my pvp character does not have 1 single mining skill.
Lumping everybody into the small group of "isk sellers" is a mistake. I agree, take those guys out of the game (ban them forever). But complaining about how you don't have as much money in RL as others, so if you cannot afford a second account then no one else should, this is just ridiculous.
It sounds just like the guys on welfare who talk about "wealth redistribution" and complain about how they never got "lucky" to make any real money. In the meantime they sit in their house, party each night and never look for a job. Yet the guy who goes to school, studies hard, finds a decent job, busts his ass, works 16 hours a day, gets promoted several times is just "lucky".
I am not lumping you into that category, I have no idea your situation, money gets tight sometimes and paying for just 1 account can be difficult for some players. But to say that I cannot use my own hard earned money to experience multiple facets of a great game without having to wait for months while I learn mining first, then fighting second etc. is just dumb.
But I do agree, isk farmers, isk sellers, isk buyers all suck and should all be banned. I would like if CCP started making examples of these guys, let us know they people ARE being banned for this crap. That way the word will get out and people will stop doing it.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:19:00 -
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There's not much you can do about multiple accounts, but I think multiple characters per account were a bad idea. Alts are almost always used for metagaming - corp scamming, watching markets in other regions, watching gate chokepoints, and so on. In other games, you need multiple characters so that a player can try another class - but in EVE, you are almost always better off using your existing character even when you want to try something new.
However, I'm not sure that there is a real way to go back to one character per account now. -------------------- Do you have a solution to the BM and instas problem? Test it against the bookmark requirements. |
XoPhyte
Out Siders Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: XoPhyte on 19/07/2006 15:25:30
Originally by: Za Po but in EVE, you are almost always better off using your existing character even when you want to try something new.
I would not agree with this statement at all. industry / mining is such a skill heavy career path, it takes a LONG time to get good at it. The main attributes for this career path is Intelligence and Memory. However for a PVP char, getting into a HAC, carrier etc. is also a long career path and needs mostly Perception & willpower.
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Bagehi
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Posted - 2006.07.19 15:48:00 -
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I'd like to see the option to have 3 different characters per account removed. Too many times I have seen players create noob characters and use them for various exploits. 1. Scouting. They send their noob alt in its noob ship into a system to figure out who is in it and whether or not it is safe to fly into the system. 2. Spying. They create a new character, than try to get recruited into a corp they don't like to find out who is in it and any other information they might want (such as which ships it has and who is online when). 3. Suicide frigates. This is simply a grief tactic. I've seen it happen. Someone throws a hissy fit because you "wronged" them in some way. Creates a noob character, then goes and attacks you repeatedly. Because they don't have to worry about concord relationship or sec status, they attack your character. Wait 15m for the criminal to go away, get their new noob ship and attack you again.
Simply removing the 3 character slots per account would remove a lot of these exploits. Because that's what they are. And who really uses their 3 slots for legitimate reasons? I'm sure some of you are out there, but I think the ratio between exploiters and legitimate users is rather dismal.
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Casyus Quinn
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:37:00 -
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i'm a pretty new player but alting seems rather cowardly
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gordon861
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 16:50:00 -
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One solution that would help stop some of the problems with alts is make it so you have to wait 30-60 minutes before you can log a different character on the same account after logging out.
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Mihail d'Amour
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 19/07/2006 00:35:23 While we're at it, lets ban players who are logged into more than one account at a time. I can't stand it that someone with more RL money than me can have a second skill training, and an extra rack of lows/mids/highs to use against me. That and their constantly referring to their multiple "selves" in the third person ruins my RP experience.
So, ban alts.
(sorry, I meant to post this as a reply to the "ban isk buyers" thread, pressed the wrong button).
You are right.. that is unfair. In fact, there's a lot of people that can't afford to play eve. Let's triple the monthly cost, and give free accounts to people who can't afford eve so they can have one account as well. That would be more fair.
And wouldn't using the 3rd person retain the immersion, since they are refering to the other character as someone else?
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.19 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Hire three guys that do nothing but investigate macro mining charges.
Realistically, 3 less GM's for anything else. Great! (sigh).
Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Offer a one million isk bounty for information leading to the ban of an account.
Watch every highsec miner get reported 5 times a day!
Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Then you suspend their account for a month, and if they don't make a convincing argument for having it reactivated, they get to go to banville.
Then you lose all the legit miners quicker than the farmers! Yea.
"multiple characters per account"
No, that's fine.
(no, this thread is NEVA sarcastic)
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.19 18:56:00 -
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its impossible to stop multiple account users because CCP has no way to know exactly why both accounts are coming from them same IP and bill to the same credit card. for all they know its a parent and their kid who play.
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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Mihail d'Amour
And wouldn't using the 3rd person retain the immersion, since they are refering to the other character as someone else?
The players I am talking about refer to both of their characters - logged on simultaneously - in the 3rd person. "I'm taking Captain Fantastic down to the belts to mine with Spaceman Spliff" in corp chat. My favorite view of puppet shows is from backstage, where I can see them put their hands inside the puppet head or pull on the strings.
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Reggie Stoneloader
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell Then you lose all the legit miners quicker than the farmers!
What do you care about legit miners? There are no legit miners in high sec empire. There are macro miners, and there are the poor misguided fools who don't realize that they've elected to be poor.
Ban high-sec mining.
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Guillame Herschel
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Posted - 2006.07.19 19:20:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 19/07/2006 19:25:00
Originally by: XoPhyte But I do agree, isk farmers, isk sellers, isk buyers all suck and should all be banned.
But what about using one's own hard earned money so one can experience multiple facets of a great game without having to wait for months while one learns mining first, fighting second etc.? Didn't you post just that argument in favor of multiple accounts?
The point of my post was that the reasons people object to isk buyers apply to alts as well. So stuff it, if that's your argument. The only reason isk buying is bad is because CCP says it's against the rules. Period. That's it. Don't give me any guff about it ruining game balance or giving unfair advantage to players with more RL dough. As you pointed out, no one has any problem with players using RL dough to gain a in-game advantage, so long as you do it in accordance with CCP's rules.
Isk buying is bad because it lets someone other than CCP make RL dough from CCP's intellectual property. It has nothing whatsoever to do with game balance or unfair advantages.
For the record, I started a second account recently, for all the reasons one would like to have one - namely to train up a different skill tree for a different kind of play style. But I do not use the two characters to cooperate with each other in game, and I don't play them at the same time. In fact, I look forward to the day when keeping them separate pays off, so I can do things with one that do not reflect badly on the other.
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Mihail d'Amour
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Mihail d'Amour
And wouldn't using the 3rd person retain the immersion, since they are refering to the other character as someone else?
The players I am talking about refer to both of their characters - logged on simultaneously - in the 3rd person. "I'm taking Captain Fantastic down to the belts to mine with Spaceman Spliff" in corp chat. My favorite view of puppet shows is from backstage, where I can see them put their hands inside the puppet head or pull on the strings.
Maybe Spaceman Spliff is their partially deranged personality character and he just refers to himself in the third person.
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Lienzo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.19 21:54:00 -
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It's unlikely that I will ever allow any of my characters to go over 23M sp unless they are all at 23M sp. That could take a long time.. like until other players have 100m sp chars.
They all have a fixed development plan. They are all useful.
All posts, by mains or alts, have the potential to be obnoxious. There's no way to regulate contents by quality. Ergo, all posting should be tied in to the game and cost isk. Certain forums could cost more, mroe frequent posting could carry a premium. Newb forums fractionally like 1000 isk per post, Alliance forum heavily prorated like a million or more per post.
I know it would break me of my worst habits instantly. On the otherhand, CCP has a vested financial interest in a vibrant, active, engaged community.. even if it only manifests itself as squabbling.
Assault Missile Launcher Improvement
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.19 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader
Originally by: Maya Rkell Then you lose all the legit miners quicker than the farmers!
What do you care about legit miners? There are no legit miners in high sec empire. There are macro miners, and there are the poor misguided fools who don't realize that they've elected to be poor.
Ban high-sec mining.
Yes, cut off an income source for first-month players. That's a brilliant idea! Oh, wait... And oh, we need trit. We can mine low-ends in lowsec ...or highsec where it's safer.
And so on.
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