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Trash Candice
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:07:00 -
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My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.
I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).
Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:
Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break? If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged? At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail? Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?
Thanks in advance folks! |
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
627
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:18:00 -
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I usually put a little Jack Daniels in the babies' bottle.
Free up all kinds of time for sleeping, gaming, going to the movies, etc...
. They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake. |
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
91
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:34:00 -
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When my first kid arrived I had the same concerns, but being able to prove I'm a family man has opened new doors of gaining trust for scams and when he got older I brought him in on a few to put the mark at ease.
Now I don't know how I ever managed without him, and have had 2 more since so I can use any age group or sex to keep the demographics of any scam open.
My oldest has branched out to running his own scams and has even come up with some ideas involving my 2 yr old girl I hadn't even thought of before. Its really great. |
Foxstar Damaskeenus
Biohazard. Ineluctable.
166
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:34:00 -
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Babies are god's answer to macro mining bans. Teaching them to use tech 2 crystals is the tricky part. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8852
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:36:00 -
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My daughter likes to watch when I suicide gank.
But she has gotten me killed on this character a fair bit, oftentimes in embarassing fashions because she wants to try and play the game if I leave the chair for more than a few moments.
But eh, it's no biggie, I am just glad she doesn't lick windows or try to kiss electric sockets like some of her cousins do. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3942
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:38:00 -
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Father(stay at home) of twin boys , 3yolds. hunting my fellow man is all that keeps me sane. =][= |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8852
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:40:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Father(stay at home) of twin boys , 3yolds. hunting my fellow man is all that keeps me sane.
You, my friend, have my deepest sympathies. I told my wife that if we have twins with this next one, that we are giving one to the circus. Of course my three year old daughter latched onto this, and keeps saying that "we have to give the ugly one to the circus, I want to keep the cute one." "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
830
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:47:00 -
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I stopped playign for a year after he was born, then i would play when he would nap, then after he was in bed. hes 3 and i'll plop him down with play dough and can usually get in an hour before he or my wife starts telling me to be social. then i play after hes in bed. i'm a night owl though In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3944
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Father(stay at home) of twin boys , 3yolds. hunting my fellow man is all that keeps me sane. You, my friend, have my deepest sympathies. I told my wife that if we have twins with this next one, that we are giving one to the circus. Of course my three year old daughter latched onto this, and keeps saying that "we have to give the ugly one to the circus, I want to keep the cute one." Ah here, don't be like that....
They will both be ugly. =][= |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
830
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Father(stay at home) of twin boys , 3yolds. hunting my fellow man is all that keeps me sane. You, my friend, have my deepest sympathies. I told my wife that if we have twins with this next one, that we are giving one to the circus. Of course my three year old daughter latched onto this, and keeps saying that "we have to give the ugly one to the circus, I want to keep the cute one."
hahahaha thats adoreable In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech Masters of Flying Objects
163
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Posted - 2014.08.17 00:56:00 -
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My daughter is 6 and my son is 3. I do find myself frequently having to go AFK but not as much as when they were younger. Although I'm divorced and have 50/50 custody so I only have them every other week. My mission ship is tanked well enough to face tank anything almost any L4 can throw at me. However, if you play in null, low or wh space then simply going AFK from time to time can be more fatal.
If you want to have more AFK friendly way to play it'll have to be hi-sec. Mining can be better than mission running in this regard. PI and station trading would be decent ways of making isk that will allow AFKing.
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Deitra Vess
Dead Men Rising Hashashin Cartel
32
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:11:00 -
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My daughters 2, I just play when shes asleep. I just have to stay a little quiet on voice and be careful what I do when she doesn't sleep well at night. So far I haven't had any problems really... |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
929
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:18:00 -
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Daytime daddy here. Working afternoons and nights. Put the first daughter on comms during a TEST stratop, the racist profanity and obscenity was much curtailed. "Dad go to the moon! Go to the Sun!"..."It looks suspicious during a structure bash, darlin'." Roaming with a friend in Wicked Creek at 0200 local time, son toddler creeps up and drops a box of Duplo on a tiled floor, at that hour sounded like the end of the world. Random button mashing and mouseclicking reprocesses a Wolf, oh look morphite! Thanks kid #3 at 10 months.
By the 4th kid you are so laid back that their temperament benefits from it. Have always just got up and walked from spaecships when needed though, causing some inexplicable losses and cutting some comms convos off sharp.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
150
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:18:00 -
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When you find yourself telling your kid you can't play right now because of Eve - you'll know it's time to put the game away for awhile.
In the meanwhile, while they're sleeping is a good time to play as long as it doesn't bother your spouse too much. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4200
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:25:00 -
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I'm not responsible enough for kids, and I'd probably be a terrible father. That being said, I'm probably not responsible enough for much, and definitely not interested in meeting anyone.
However, I do have a very demanding pet cockatiel I named Enyo. I hand raised her since she was a little less than a month old (by then they have most of their feathers except their neck ones) and she likes my keyboard. Just typing a single line when she's in my company often requires some deft finger dancing around her in order to get to the keys I need, and she hops around as if I'm trying to catch her.
And don't think for a minute birds are easy to take care of. One wrong move, one sudden gesture or unexpected noise, and they're up in the air, even with their wings clipped, headed for the nearest window (source of light, not so much trying to escape, just spooked), which if they hit hard enough they can break their neck or lose half their beak. Honestly, she'd be better off breaking her neck and dying quickly rather than knocking bits of her beak off and dying slowly from starvation.
But she's a lovely girl who when she's not playing on the keyboard, loves to sit up on my shoulder and preen my hair or beard. It's not much of a beard, just a short, trimmed bit of fuzz really much like that on my avatar, but it's enough for her to grip with her claws in order to climb my face and nest in my hair sometimes, which she does when she's tired and wants a nap.
But yeah, she does take a lot of looking after. 'Tiels are very social birds and I'll tell you now, if you have one you'll know that you don't need an alarm clock in the morning. They're one of those birds you don't have to cover at night, although in the winter it helps to keep them warm. Although, that's not entirely necessary either if they have all their feathers, which they can fluff up into a personal 'blanket' (feathers are nature's greatest insulator, true story). Anyway, Enyo doesn't often get covered unless it's really cold, and when the sun comes up, so does she, and the squawking for my attention commences immediately.
Anyway, the biggest interference with EVE is mainly when she's decided that right now, while I'm taking on this gang of frigates and destroyers and/or maybe a cruiser or two solo in my Ishkur, is the perfect moment to climb on the keyboard and stand on ALL the buttons I need. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2791
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:36:00 -
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Trash Candice wrote:Parents: How are you playing Eve?! in a small gang? eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3947
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:44:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:Trash Candice wrote:Parents: How are you playing Eve?! in a small gang? Quietly. =][= |
Don Purple
The Pursuit of Happiness
381
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:05:00 -
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Few and far between. Going on a "i am broke" break for the next few months i believe. Good luck! I am just here to snuggle. |
Serene Repose
1510
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:11:00 -
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I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.)
I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.
Love Child - The documentary I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8860
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Posted - 2014.08.17 03:19:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote: My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer.
My spouse is stay at home. We have little issues in that regard. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
5918
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Posted - 2014.08.17 04:08:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.) I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer. Love Child - The documentary Well... if the parents want to raise the kids without much assistance from anyone then yes, I would agree with you.
If you ascribe to the "it takes a village to raise a kid" philosophy (as many older cultures do) then it is very possible... because the grandparents, aunts, uncles, and everyone else related to the kids is involved and can take some of burden off the parents... for small periods of time at least.
Unfortunately this method does require having good relationships with other family members and/or sucking up one's pride and/or concerns about the person whom they have entrusted the kid to. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Tweek Etimua
The Paragons
64
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Posted - 2014.08.17 05:30:00 -
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Trash Candice wrote:My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.
I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).
Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:
Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break? If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged? At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail? Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?
Thanks in advance folks!
http://lockepick.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/the-guild-clara.jpeg
This mom is what i imagine eve parent to be like. =X (makes more sence if you watched the guild) |
Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
930
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Posted - 2014.08.17 05:42:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:I didn't play any game but Parenting for twenty+ years. I don't see how anyone could possibly pursue a gaming interest, properly maintain a household and raise children at the same time. I see people claiming they're doing it all the time. I have serious doubts. What makes this very difficult is how the economy has devolved into a form of economic slavery requiring two spouses to work in order to make ends meet. (I think my sleep went back to normal around three years after the last one moved out.) I'm not going to go into a morality/sociology diatribe about it. Unfortunately, like designer coffee, parents get to raise their kids "how they see fit" in this world. That's often a mask for "not raise them at all"; fast food diets, parking the offspring in front of the Cartoon Channel...then we laugh at generations that can't find their own state on a map. To each his own. You're free to ruin your progeny after your own image. My ultimate view is - you can't raise kids and seriously game. Impossible. One or the other will suffer. Love Child - The documentary
For a start, anyone who "seriously games" generally doesn't do anything else. In morality or ethics discussions, extreme cases aren't helpful. That extreme case from South Korea is from a country catapulted from rural Confucian values directly into the highest tech available. They have bought into gadgets and technology 200%. Indicative of this is the solution: outlawing children from gaming between midnight and 6am. Here we have the state stepping into people's lives due to pessimism about common sense, possibly the worst solution that could be tried. Think about that, laws governing your children's hobbies. My wife is South Korean, by the way. Also, the fact that parents raise their kids "how they see fit" is far from new. I've been places where children are raised to be savage, selfish and manipulative. To do any different would be to set them at a disadvantage with the prevailing culture. When you judge others on how they raise their kids, you are straying into the forbidden triangle of relationships / politics / religion that shouldn't be wandered into lightly, because people kill each other over these things.
Damn son.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Trash Candice
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.08.17 05:43:00 -
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Zero Sum Gain wrote:My oldest has branched out to running his own scams and has even come up with some ideas involving my 2 yr old girl I hadn't even thought of before. Its really great.
Your ideas intrigue me, and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
I'm curious, though. At what age did you let your oldest start playing? Did you give him any rules? If so, what were they?
Chopper Rollins wrote:Daytime daddy here. Working afternoons and nights. Put the first daughter on comms during a TEST stratop, the racist profanity and obscenity was much curtailed. "Dad go to the moon! Go to the Sun!"..."It looks suspicious during a structure bash, darlin'."
Your post also caught my eye. I have pretty much given up on the idea of group fun for the time being. My ad hoc playtime is so scattered and infrequent that I wouldn't be comfortable joining in on whatever the shenanigans of the moment are.
That being said, if I can give enough notice, the missus and I have an arrangement where we can give each other a couple hours of personal time every so often. In your involvement with TEST, were they generally pretty parent-friendly?
How about the rest of you? Are you involved in a corp/alliance that is willing to work with you and your kids (i.e. cut you some slack on ops and lossmails)? Do you feel like you're still contributing or can it sometimes feel like you're unfairly burdening strangers with your baggage? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8863
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Posted - 2014.08.17 05:46:00 -
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Trash Candice wrote: How about the rest of you? Are you involved in a corp/alliance that is willing to work with you and your kids (i.e. cut you some slack on ops and lossmails)?
That's why I'm in this alliance in the first place. Most irl friendly alliance I could find after I resubbed a while back. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Acac Sunflyier
Control-Space DARKNESS.
671
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:21:00 -
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You know all those super long skills you've been meaning to train? I recommend coming up with a queue that fills a lot of them over the next 2 years and coming back to a really amazing character after the youngin has learned to walk.
***Edit*** You don't get that time back with the kids but the skill queue can always be run while you're with them. |
Trash Candice
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:22:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:False dilemma troll
But hey, I'll bite.
Raising children and serious gaming are not the only two options. There's a whole continuum between these poles that is totally viable and healthy.
Counterexamples: this thread.
Protip to all the readers thinking about starting a family out there: ignore the abridged screed above.
Just because you have had a child does not mean that society demands that you don a hairshirt and hang yourself upon the cross of parenthood for the next twenty years. If you do not give yourself, your spouse, and your child the time and space to be complete human beings with their own opinions, relationships, and interests (including gaming) then you will all come out of the other end of next few decades physically and emotionally crippled. Make time for yourself. Make time for each other. Share your interests, but allow everyone to find their own way to engage. The rest is just bookkeeping. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2481
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Posted - 2014.08.17 06:25:00 -
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If it had not been for my daughters I would have never played Eve Online.
They paid for and set it all up for me as a birthday present in April 2007.
The only downside (as I saw it at the time) was that my main is a female character with a bit of an odd name.
Now, even if I could change my main character, I would keep her as she is. This is not a signature. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1175
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:08:00 -
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Trash Candice wrote:My little one just turned two, and -- while I've stayed subbed since she's been born -- I haven't really been able to meaningfully engage with the game this whole time. I've settled into a pattern where I keep my skill queue filled. I do some light industry, and I do my hauling at night after she's asleep.
I do have these dreams of a glorious future where I and daddy's little scouting alt go traipsing through the vast reaches of space, but I don't know realistically how far off that future is (if ever).
Since this game has been around long enough for folks to have had families and children, I thought I'd ask the community:
Did you stick around through the early parts of childhood or did you take a break? If you stuck around, what did you find you were able to do to keep you interested and engaged? At what ages or developmental milestones were you able to expand the scope of your play? What did it entail? Did you ever introduce you kids to Eve? If so, at what age and with what restrictions?
Thanks in advance folks!
Took a break during pregnancy because... well because pregnant woman in the house. Consolidated 3 toons onto one account after the baby was born. I play while she eats on the kitchen PC. Sometimes I do industry on the living room TV while she plays (with toys in the living room, not Eve).
I do missions and industry for money, and have a stratios exploring on a 5 year mission. Even with only getting an hour here and an hour there and with high PLEX prices, it adds up quick. Then I can go play in a wormhole or low or null.
As far as my daughter (15 months) is concerned, I'm still on "restricted" game time. My son is 15, and was 10 when I started. He did not hinder me from playing nearly as much. Which leads in to the next question, I tried to get him to play it, but he does not want to. However, when he was 5 years old or so, I would play freelancer and give him a joystick and let him fire the missiles. I plan on doing the same with my daughter when she is old enough. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2644
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Posted - 2014.08.17 07:25:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If it had not been for my daughters I would have never played Eve Online.
They paid for and set it all up for me as a birthday present in April 2007.
Awww, this made me all fuzzy and warm inside... Great kids you have there, Jo :) Invalid signature format |
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