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JamnOne
Jammin Corp Jammin Mad
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:22:00 -
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Did something change with high sec faction systems? I remember when if you flew into a 0.9 sec space with a negative standing you would get threatened and even shot at. I don't see that happening now. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
6342
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:29:00 -
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https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Security_status#Security_Status_and_Traveling_Restrictions
Quote: Players with -2.0 or worse will be attacked in 1.0 systems Players with -2.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.9 systems Players with -3.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.8 systems Players with -3.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.7 systems Players with -4.0 or worse will be attacked in 0.6 systems Players with -4.5 or worse will be attacked in 0.5 systems
Once your security status reaches -5 you are considered an outlaw and can be attacked by players anywhere without CONCORD intervention.
The Muppets: P+Špc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |
JamnOne
Jammin Corp Jammin Mad
21
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:38:00 -
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So it is only Sec Status and not status with NPC. Cool. Then the diplomacy skill could be removed from the game. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
6342
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:46:00 -
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JamnOne wrote:So it is only Sec Status and not status with NPC. Cool. Then the diplomacy skill could be removed from the game. Not true.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Standings_mechanics#Quick_Standings_Reference_Table
Quote: Faction standing: -5 = NPC factions will begin shooting you on sight in their space. (-5.0 Modified Personal Standing)
The Muppets: P+Špc++rn (thanks Ria!) "So.. youre saying you cant create content.... because other people are out... creating content?" --United Arab Emirates |
JamnOne
Jammin Corp Jammin Mad
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Posted - 2014.08.17 01:50:00 -
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Okay...I need to work a little bit harder to upset some factions.
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Athryn Bellee
Ridge Mineral Holdings
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Posted - 2014.08.17 02:05:00 -
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You have to have -5 standings with the faction before they try to shoot you. |
Nevil Oscillator
Goodfellas Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:41:00 -
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Athryn Bellee wrote:You have to have -5 standings with the faction before they try to shoot you.
So at -5 faction standing:
In a system of that faction sovereignty:
Concord decides you are a legitimate target for anyone or just that faction navy ? |
Paranoid Loyd
1797
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:44:00 -
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There are actually four types of "Police"
- CONCORD attacks anyone with a GCC in high-sec, and only them. - FACPO Navies attack FW targets and anyone with -5 or worse faction standing. - Corp Police attack people with poor overall security status. (depends on sec status of system) - Customs attacks people who refuse to hand over contraband.
Facpo are quite weak, but the corp police are quite strong and scram. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1147
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Posted - 2014.09.10 23:49:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:There are actually four types of "Police"
- CONCORD attacks anyone with a GCC in high-sec, and only them. - FACPO Navies attack FW targets and anyone with -5 or worse faction standing. - Corp Police attack people with poor overall security status. (depends on sec status of system) - Customs attacks people who refuse to hand over contraband.
Facpo are quite weak, but the corp police are quite strong and scram.
It is worth noting that Concorde are pretty much un-killable and once they turn up you die... note that even if you do manage somehow to find a trick to defeat or evade Concorde it has been clearly stated by CCP on a number of occasions that evading Concorde (regardless of how you do it) is deemed a bannable exploit.
The other ones, feel free to shoot away or just run :D |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
411
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:01:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:There are actually four types of "Police"
- CONCORD attacks anyone with a GCC in high-sec, and only them. - FACPO Navies attack FW targets and anyone with -5 or worse faction standing. - Corp Police attack people with poor overall security status. (depends on sec status of system) - Customs attacks people who refuse to hand over contraband.
Facpo are quite weak, but the corp police are quite strong and scram. It is worth noting that Concorde are pretty much un-killable and once they turn up you die... note that even if you do manage somehow to find a trick to defeat or evade Concorde it has been clearly stated by CCP on a number of occasions that evading Concorde (regardless of how you do it) is deemed a bannable exploit. The other ones, feel free to shoot away or just run :D
Will CONCORD shoot me if I shoot at the last 3 facpo listed? |
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Paranoid Loyd
1798
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Posted - 2014.09.11 00:16:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:Will CONCORD shoot me if I shoot at the last 3 facpo listed?
I see FW players shoot the fac po all the time, the other two are quite strong, I have never seen anyone try.
AFAIK, they dont drop anything so there is not much point, unless you are really bored. It can easily be tested by switching safety to green.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Vyl Vit
752
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Posted - 2014.09.11 01:03:00 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:It is worth noting that Concorde are pretty much un-killable and once they turn up you die... note that even if you do manage somehow to find a trick to defeat or evade Concorde it has been clearly stated by CCP on a number of occasions that evading Concorde (regardless of how you do it) is deemed a bannable exploit.
The other ones, feel free to shoot away or just run :D Do you mean to say if I panic and start pounding keys (from a heightened sense of mortal terror) and happen to survive (having not a clue how I did it) my account can be BANNED?
That is so stupid!
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Paranoid Loyd
1799
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Posted - 2014.09.11 01:07:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Hasikan Miallok wrote:It is worth noting that Concorde are pretty much un-killable and once they turn up you die... note that even if you do manage somehow to find a trick to defeat or evade Concorde it has been clearly stated by CCP on a number of occasions that evading Concorde (regardless of how you do it) is deemed a bannable exploit.
The other ones, feel free to shoot away or just run :D Do you mean to say if I panic and start pounding keys (from a heightened sense of mortal terror) and happen to survive (having not a clue how I did it) my account can be BANNED? That is so stupid!
Yeah, I'm not sure why people keep posting this, I guess it's a legacy thing as you used to be able to evade/tank them. When you go flashy red, the game automatically warp disrupts you and your weapons timer won't allow you to dock or change systems so it is simply not possible to "exploit" the mechanics. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
733
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Posted - 2014.09.11 05:25:00 -
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JamnOne wrote:Okay...I need to work a little bit harder to upset some factions.
Shooting those trade caravans always worked. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5426
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Posted - 2014.09.11 05:29:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:You have to have -5 standings with the faction before they try to shoot you. So at -5 faction standing: In a system of that faction sovereignty: Concord decides you are a legitimate target for anyone or just that faction navy ?
Just the navy. Faction and security status are different.
After 8 years I still have to double check. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Fr3akwave
Shattered Sword
43
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Posted - 2014.09.11 08:00:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:There are actually four types of "Police"
- CONCORD attacks anyone with a GCC in high-sec, and only them. - Faction Navy Navies attack FW targets and anyone with -5 or worse faction standing. - Faction Police attack people with poor overall security status. (depends on sec status of system) - Customs attacks people who refuse to hand over contraband.
Fixed that for you, otherwise this post explains it all very well. |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
411
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Posted - 2014.09.11 11:58:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Yang Aurilen wrote:Will CONCORD shoot me if I shoot at the last 3 facpo listed? I see FW players shoot the fac po all the time, the other two are quite strong, I have never seen anyone try. AFAIK, they dont drop anything so there is not much point, unless you are really bored. It can easily be tested by switching safety to green.
Well assuming a neutral. Like say a newly born newbie. Can;t really test it out as I'm literally swamped with so much papers. |
Nevil Oscillator
Goodfellas Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:43:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:You have to have -5 standings with the faction before they try to shoot you. So at -5 faction standing: In a system of that faction sovereignty: Concord decides you are a legitimate target for anyone or just that faction navy ? Just the navy. Faction and security status are different. After 8 years I still have to double check.
I'm a bit new to the game but this is how I understand it.
-2 Security Status you can be shot at by system cops if the system security is high enough. -5 or Lower security status is a bit like having a permanent criminal flag except Concord won't do the dirty work and as far as I know gates and stations are not locked.
Faction Standing -5 or lower is a bit like the faction navy has declared war on you. Perhaps it would be interesting if CCP made it more like that, for instance you become a legitimate target for factional war players and vice versa. That sounds quite an exciting idea although like I say, I'm a bit new to this, there could be many reasons in the game mechanics for not making it like that. Anyway that's my first newbie 'know it all' suggestion. |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
991
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Posted - 2014.09.11 14:53:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:You have to have -5 standings with the faction before they try to shoot you. So at -5 faction standing: In a system of that faction sovereignty: Concord decides you are a legitimate target for anyone or just that faction navy ? Just the navy. Faction and security status are different. After 8 years I still have to double check. I'm a bit new to the game but this is how I understand it. -2 Security Status you can be shot at by system cops if the system security is high enough. -5 or Lower security status is a bit like having a permanent criminal flag except Concord won't do the dirty work and as far as I know gates and stations are not locked. Faction Standing -5 or lower is a bit like the faction navy has declared war on you. Perhaps it would be interesting if CCP made it more like that, for instance you become a legitimate target for factional war players and vice versa. That sounds quite an exciting idea although like I say, I'm a bit new to this, there could be many reasons in the game mechanics for not making it like that. Anyway that's my first newbie 'know it all' suggestion. uhm FW players are already in war with each other... |
WASPY69
Hard Knocks Inc.
317
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Posted - 2014.09.11 16:43:00 -
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Working as intended |
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Nevil Oscillator
Goodfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.11 18:40:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote: uhm FW players are already in war with each other...
Yes but they aren't at war with everyone that has a standing of less than -5 to their faction.
NPC navy shoots you for having a -5 standing, that's ok by Concord.
Factional Warfare player decides to shoot you for having a -5 standing, will he get Concorded ?
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Nevil Oscillator
Goodfellas Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.14 15:59:00 -
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Faction navy NPC rules of engagement differ from FW players..
As far as I can tell only two corporations or two factions can be at war with each other as things are.
I get the impression that has sown it up as well as it might because you have things like mercs and stuff that doesn't quite fit in.
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Lister Dax
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
10
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Posted - 2014.09.14 16:16:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Just the navy. Faction and security status are different.
After 8 years I still have to double check.
Unless you're -5 in Yulai lol.
Hengle Teron wrote: uhm FW players are already in war with each other...
I think they meant even if you aren't in FW, FW pilots would be able to shoot you. |
Nevil Oscillator
Goodfellas Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.15 13:45:00 -
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JamnOne wrote:Did something change with high sec faction systems? I remember when if you flew into a 0.9 sec space with a negative standing you would get threatened and even shot at. I don't see that happening now.
With -5 faction standing I've found they take a little time to react, if you are just travelling through you might not even notice them but they turn up eventually if you hang around and will track you wherever you jump to in the system. They get faster at tracking you the longer you stay in system and finally they scram you and blast your frigate to pieces. What happens if you turn up in a battleship and fire at them I'm not sure. |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
1169
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Posted - 2014.09.15 15:19:00 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:JamnOne wrote:Did something change with high sec faction systems? I remember when if you flew into a 0.9 sec space with a negative standing you would get threatened and even shot at. I don't see that happening now. With -5 faction standing I've found they take a little time to react, if you are just travelling through you might not even notice them but they turn up eventually if you hang around and will track you wherever you jump to in the system. They get faster at tracking you the longer you stay in system and finally they scram you and blast your frigate to pieces. What happens if you turn up in a battleship and fire at them I'm not sure. If you shoot back they will pop like any other NPC's. However make sure you have a 100% passive tank and no cap weapons f you do as they will neut you dry rather quick.
If you want to you can park a passive tanked Ishtar (500 or so dps depending on sec status) in a suitable system, release the drones and have them pop the faction navy ships one by one. They will only web and not scram you unless an outlaw decided to share grid with you for a moment as they will spawn scramming frigs that will go for you once the outlaw has left. So in other words, bad idea to play with such a ship next to a gate/station.
After you have left the Ishtar there for an hour or two you will have a ball of empty faction wrecks around you. Unless it has been fixed the past few years you won't even get a faction standing penalty as a result. This is why I was playing around with this as I wanted to become -10.0 to Amarr at the time. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Nevil Oscillator
Goodfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.15 17:12:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote: If you shoot back they will pop like any other NPC's..
NPC Factions and Corps can't be at war with all characters with -5 Standing because Concord needs to protect their members. I don't think you should be able to disable Concord by reducing your standing. Maybe Corps and Factions could use bounty hunters to track down characters with low standing. Concord could issue a licence which makes hunter and the target fair game for each other. Say for instance Rodens Shipyard provides a licence from Concord to hunt all characters with below -5 standing to that corp. It becomes not too different from the way missions against NPC's work.
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Nevil Oscillator
1
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Posted - 2014.09.26 01:45:00 -
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If Concord can sell war rights, why can't they sell kill rights ? See, you didn't know you had a problem until I solved it. |
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