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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2104
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Posted - 2014.08.18 08:56:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:No, what I got from this thread is that Somer Blink is bad, but we can forget about all the other authorised plex dealers because we didn't lose our money gambling on their websites and aren't butthurt about them. Lrn2read, I shouldn't have to explain what I said, unless you're still learning basic English, in which case I apologise. Maybe you missed the point where SOMER is essentially paying isk to people buying through them? Which is a bit different than other dealers.
And for future reference, don't preface an insult about learning basic English with "Lrn2read". It looks incredibly stupid. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 08:58:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:No, what I got from this thread is that Somer Blink is bad, but we can forget about all the other authorised plex dealers because we didn't lose our money gambling on their websites and aren't butthurt about them. Lrn2read, I shouldn't have to explain what I said, unless you're still learning basic English, in which case I apologise. Maybe you missed the point where SOMER is essentially paying isk to people buying through them? Which is a bit different than other dealers. And for future reference, don't preface an insult about learning basic English with "Lrn2read". It looks incredibly stupid.
I didn't miss the attempted point. I did dismiss it as nonsense, since Somer credit =/= isk, unless you win. Which is a bit different from just handing over isk. You really have to be incredibly vexatious to try to twist it the way you are trying to, I can think of no other reason to do so other than hating on Somer.
As for me looking incredibly stupid, I don't really care how I look to someone who's incredibly stupid. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:02:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=310824&find=unread
CCP have not fixed this issue.
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5723
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:05:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:
If you're gonna have a problem with SOMER selling plex, then have one with Amazon too.
No. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:06:00 -
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Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
If you're gonna have a problem with SOMER selling plex, then have one with Amazon too.
No.
Then your hypocritical outrage is irrelevant and not worth the typeface it's printed in. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
5723
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:10:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
If you're gonna have a problem with SOMER selling plex, then have one with Amazon too.
No. Then your hypocritical outrage is irrelevant and not worth the typeface it's printed in.
It's not? :(
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2660
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:11:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Somer credit =/= isk, unless you win.
Ehm, win what exactly? I might be lacking in reading comprehension but as far as I understand information provided on Somer's website it works like this: I buy PLEX with their affiliate link -> I get PLEX Credit(s) which I can "redeem" and contract my PLEX to Somer at "our great buying price!". Not exactly a lot of places to win anything here.
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2107
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:12:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I didn't miss the attempted point. I did dismiss it as nonsense, since Somer credit =/= isk, unless you win. Which is a bit different from just handing over isk. You really have to be incredibly vexatious to try to twist it the way you are trying to, I can think of no other reason to do so other than hating on Somer. As for me looking incredibly stupid, I don't really care how I look to someone who's incredibly stupid. You don't have to win anything to get the extra isk from them. You buy through their referral and then you use that credit to sell the plex to them for a higher price than it goes for in Jita. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:18:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Somer credit =/= isk, unless you win. Ehm, win what exactly? I might be lacking in reading comprehension but as far as I understand information provided on Somer's website it works like this: I buy PLEX with their affiliate link -> I get PLEX Credit(s) which I can "redeem" and contract my PLEX to Somer at "our great buying price!". Not exactly a lot of places to win anything here. Oh, btw: they are not giving credits to use in their lotteries as they did before, they are giving "PLEX Credits" which allow you to offer them your PLEX at "great buying price!".
Yes, I just read the page. I'm not seeing any problem, and I will reiterate my position that those that think there is one remind me of those people that spy on neighbours they don't like just watching for them to make one "wrong move" (which may or may not be wrong) just for the sake of getting them in trouble. This is just another pathetic witch hunt, and you all need to let it go. You'll live longer. Seriously, chill the **** out. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2660
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:23:00 -
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Well, pay me $1 of RL money and I will contract you 1 PLEX for free. But if you would like I could buy that PLEX back from you at Jita price + 10%. No problem here I guess... Invalid signature format |
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:27:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Well, pay me $1 of RL money and I will contract you 1 PLEX for free. But if you would like I could buy that PLEX back from you at Jita price + 10%. No problem here I guess...
The difference is authorisation. Have you got CCP's authorisation to do that? If not, then no.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
271
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:30:00 -
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This again? I'm sure CCP will get around to addressing the issues at hand,right after they finish preparing that community survey or whatever they promised us last year |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2660
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:30:00 -
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Difference is I don't have MD affiliate link for you to use but mechanism is the same. I have RL $1 you get more ISK than you would by selling PLEX on market.
I don't have to be CCP approved PLEX dealer to do it, I just need to apply to affiliate program of any of those approved dealers. Invalid signature format |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3802
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:32:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Posting in another SOMER hate thread that dismisses all the authorised PLEX dealers as RMT'ers and just picks on the one they lost too much of their isk playing. You did a great job of reading absolutely none of the thread and then making a broad, incorrect generalization about it. Except that I did read it, and made a correct assessment of the general tone of the thread. you mean attacking the motivations of the people complaining instead of the complaint? misrepresenting the complaint? that's not an 'assessment', that's fallacious garbage. |
Lair Osen
100
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:33:00 -
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What if Somer had decided to make the buy price equal to 0.01ISK below the current lowest sell order, would you still classify that as RMT? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:36:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Derrick Miles wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Posting in another SOMER hate thread that dismisses all the authorised PLEX dealers as RMT'ers and just picks on the one they lost too much of their isk playing. You did a great job of reading absolutely none of the thread and then making a broad, incorrect generalization about it. Except that I did read it, and made a correct assessment of the general tone of the thread. you mean attacking the motivations of the people complaining instead of the complaint? misrepresenting the complaint? that's not an 'assessment', that's fallacious garbage.
Again, I understand it just fine, and it's no different from any other witch hunt I've been privy to. Fallacious garbage? Can you say "irony"? Because you just described the entire thread. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
handige harrie
Hedion University Amarr Empire
257
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:39:00 -
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Lair Osen wrote:What if Somer had decided to make the buy price equal to 0.01ISK below the current lowest sell order, would you still classify that as RMT?
Yes, the only way not to make RMT is to cut out the buying back of plex out of game:
Use a somer affiliate link, get plex ingame, sell plex on ingame market, get money, transfer money to your somer account.
How it is setup now is just a cheap way to RMT the isk blink makes.
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:45:00 -
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Who is the greater evil in this case - Somer or CCP? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:48:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:...evil...
See? Witch hunt. Nothing but overreacting, sensationalising, and fist pumping. If you're going to jump to conclusions before CCP says anything on the matter, and assume "guilty" via trial by personal emotions, you're barely even worth the contempt I have for this kind of behaviour.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Lair Osen
100
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:48:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Lair Osen wrote:What if Somer had decided to make the buy price equal to 0.01ISK below the current lowest sell order, would you still classify that as RMT? Yes, the only way not to make RMT is to cut out the buying back of plex out of game: Use a somer affiliate link, get plex ingame, sell plex on ingame market, get money, transfer money to your somer account. How it is setup now is just a cheap way to RMT the isk blink makes.
Well then we can clearly see that the price of PLEX and the 'RMT'ing is not the issue at all here but the fact that the program is only available to Somer referal users.
So, what you are really unhappy with is that Somer is allowed to provide a service of any kind, even if it is not good, and discriminate the use of the service to it's customers. The RMT element is completely irrelevant. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23924
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Posted - 2014.08.18 09:54:00 -
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handige harrie wrote:Lair Osen wrote:What if Somer had decided to make the buy price equal to 0.01ISK below the current lowest sell order, would you still classify that as RMT? Yes, the only way not to make RMT is to cut out the buying back of plex out of game: Use a somer affiliate link, get plex ingame, sell plex on ingame market, get money, transfer money to your somer account. How it is setup now is just a cheap way to RMT the isk blink makes. More generally, the problem is in the GÇ£if GÇö and only if GÇö you use this affiliate link (read: if you give us real money) we will give you something in-gameGÇ¥ setup of the deal.
The actual value of the stuff given in-game is irrelevant. They could be giving away one trit and it would still be RMT since it's an exchange of out-of-game currency for in-game possessions. The only way for it not to be RMT is if the affiliate-link purchase only has out-of-game benefits. I don't know what that would be in Somer's caseGǪ high-priority server connections that responds to clicks faster or something?
If they were to under-price the payout rather than overprice it, it would still be a trade between out-of-game for in-game stuff on top of being a bad deal for the trader. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
515
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:00:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Guttripper wrote:...evil... ... you're barely even worth the contempt I have for this kind of behaviour.
Remiel Pollard wrote:Patronising and quote mining.... are you a creationist by any chance? Practice what you preach or you above yourself? |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1835
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:01:00 -
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'Pure' RMT would be: give me 1$ IRL and I'll give you 50 Million ISK in-game.
This scheme is: give CCP 20$ IRL and I'll give you 50 Million ISK in-game, because CCP will give 1$ IRL to me.
The difference is that CCP is the middleman in the RL cash transfer.
It's not a negligible difference, and if CCP says it's ok then it's ok.
But if CCP says it's ok, then logic would suggest:
1) anybody can do it, not just Somer
2) the PLEX buyback is completely unnecessary, anybody should be free to just give ISK, in-game assets, or both to players that buy PLEX from them
If 1) and 2) don't apply, then yes this is indeed shady.
On a side note, I think all lotteries are stupid and if everybody thought the same, Somer wouldn't even exist. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:03:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Guttripper wrote:...evil... ... you're barely even worth the contempt I have for this kind of behaviour. Remiel Pollard wrote:Patronising and quote mining.... are you a creationist by any chance? Practice what you preach or you above yourself?
No, I wasn't quote mining. I was pointing out the use of the word. Just using it is overreacting. Genocide is evil. **** is evil. RMT? #Firstworldproblems
Quote mining is quoting a selection out of context. The word you used, evil, WAS the context. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
3802
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:07:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Again, I understand it just fine, that's lovely. and i didn't say otherwise.
Remiel Pollard wrote:and it's no different from any other witch hunt I've been privy to. Fallacious garbage? Can you say "irony"? Because you just described the entire thread. Which I did read and assess correctly, and that includes examining Somer's Blink Credit page.
This is "Grr Somer". That's all this is. you attacked the motivations of the thread's participants twice and misrepresented the complaint twice before even acknowledging what you believe is a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1835
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:13:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value. I'm honestly unfamiliar with Somer Blink mechanics:
. Don't you need ISK to buy these credits?
. Can't you convert the credits back to ISK? If not, how do you 'win' ISK? Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
Steijn
Quay Industries
579
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:13:00 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:'Pure' RMT would be: give me 1$ IRL and I'll give you 50 Million ISK in-game. This scheme is: give CCP 20$ IRL and I'll give you 50 Million ISK in-game, because CCP will give 1$ IRL to me. The difference is that CCP is the middleman in the RL cash transfer. It's not a negligible difference, and if CCP says it's ok then it's ok. But if CCP says it's ok, then logic would suggest: 1) anybody can do it, not just Somer 2) the PLEX buyback is completely unnecessary, anybody should be free to just give ISK, in-game assets, or both to players that buy PLEX from them If 1) and 2) don't apply, then yes this is indeed shady. On a side note, I think all lotteries are stupid and if everybody thought the same, Somer wouldn't even exist.
its not the lottery thats shady/stupid, its the connection between the lottery and CCP that is shady. |
Victor Andall
710
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:15:00 -
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The funniest part about this thread is the part where none of this **** matters. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do? |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4208
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:16:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Again, I understand it just fine, that's lovely. and i didn't say otherwise. Remiel Pollard wrote:and it's no different from any other witch hunt I've been privy to. Fallacious garbage? Can you say "irony"? Because you just described the entire thread. Which I did read and assess correctly, and that includes examining Somer's Blink Credit page.
This is "Grr Somer". That's all this is. you attacked the motivations of the thread's participants twice and misrepresented the complaint twice before even acknowledging what you believe is a flawed premise, that blink credits can be equated to a real ingame isk value.
I gave the thread and its sensationalist posters the acknowledgement they deserved. I don't need to explain myself to you though. Who are you that I do? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Arec Bardwin
1499
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Posted - 2014.08.18 10:25:00 -
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On another note, why is Markee the only entity that is allowed to offer 30 day trial accounts? |
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