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Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
1562
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:07:00 -
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So when can I start my own ISK bonus for PLEX referral business?
I'll keep it very clean and simple, no fluff like betting schemes or anything. Nyan |
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:12:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ohkewl wrote:That guy pays his freelance writers in isk Which is allowedOhkewl wrote:and pretty much lives of the money generated by the site he places the articles on. If that's not a business idk what is. That money comes from ad revenue. Are you seriously suggesting that EVE websites not be allowed to run ads? Because that's absurd.
So all Somer has to do is: 1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words) 2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit 3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
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Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
693
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:14:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Andski wrote:Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.
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1. 1.Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"
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GÇóPlayers who want more ISK value from their PLEX than they could get selling it by themselves will be encouraged to spend money on PLEX, since they are guaranteed the best price in the Eve universe if you cannot see how this ambiguous wording was clearly intended to deceive the reader I have no words Actually that first bolded part would seem to be a flat out lie. you don't get extra isk for buying through the link
you get extra isk through the separate sale back to somer, which is something different under the structure he set up
i think you can make a good argument he got too clever for himself here and that the top line actually controls throughout and that he didn't succeed in getting ccp sanction for his latest rmt scheme, but he's definitely trying and whoever signed off on it definitely didn't read it closely |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10911
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:14:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:So all Somer has to do is: 1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words) 2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit 3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all
keep grinding that axe though Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5820
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:14:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:So when can I start my own ISK bonus for PLEX referral business?
Why stop with an ISK incentive?
You could always give a discount for bulk purchases or one of the other incentives that are common with the resellers. This Somer hate is going to (has) open a can of worms. I look forward to seeing how the 3rd party landscape looks when the dust settles.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Cherry Yeyo
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:15:00 -
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Killdeer Okel wrote:In the end, If this "Lisa" from CCP approved it, which looks possible, then the program will go away, but there will be a slap on the wrist as CCP will need to take the fall for the deception. I guess CCP is no better than a Newbie in Jita. They need more practice watching the scams that are run in the game. The real question is: why is Somer emailing "Lisa" who is clearly a sales executive about this, and not a Senior GM or something.. CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
490
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:20:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:If Somer are in the wrong, then I agree they should face the appropriate measures for bad behaviour. However, when I look down a street and see a swathe of pitchforks and torches, I only hope that whoever pissed them off gets away with it, regardless of what they've done, because that mindless crowd gives humanity a worse name than the perpetrator they are after.
You are edgy and cool and we would all be very happy if you stopped posting. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10911
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:20:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:The real question is: why is Somer emailing "Lisa" who is clearly a sales executive about this, and not a Senior GM or something..
Lisa is with CCP legal, not with sales Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
170
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:24:00 -
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Cherry Yeyo wrote:Killdeer Okel wrote:In the end, If this "Lisa" from CCP approved it, which looks possible, then the program will go away, but there will be a slap on the wrist as CCP will need to take the fall for the deception. I guess CCP is no better than a Newbie in Jita. They need more practice watching the scams that are run in the game. The real question is: why is Somer emailing "Lisa" who is clearly a sales executive about this, and not a Senior GM or something..
Through the magic of "Google" (some arcane thing I know very little the purpose of)
She is the Senior VP of Global Sales for CCP Games.
http://schedule2013.gdconf.com/session-id/824110
Andski wrote:Cherry Yeyo wrote:The real question is: why is Somer emailing "Lisa" who is clearly a sales executive about this, and not a Senior GM or something.. Lisa is with CCP legal, not with sales
GDC would disagree mon ami. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1474
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:26:00 -
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I note how the 'E-mail permission' doesn't have the actual exact details of the permission in it, and how we have no evidence that even the proposal he published was the actual one in discussion in the E-mail. Especially since the E-mails talk about a May proposal and it would be..... August. Smoking gun? |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11128
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:28:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:This Somer hate is going to (has) open a can of worms. I look forward to seeing how the 3rd party landscape looks when the dust settles. Mr Epeen Typical of your fashion, you keep repeating things hoping they'll come true when everyone knows they won't. No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
5821
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:29:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:I note how the 'E-mail permission' doesn't have the actual exact details of the permission in it, and how we have no evidence that even the proposal he published was the actual one in discussion in the E-mail. Especially since the E-mails talk about a May proposal and it would be..... August. Smoking gun?
Oh...you're good.
Tell me. Do you work at infowars.com in real life? Alex must love you.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Cherry Yeyo
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:31:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:I note how the 'E-mail permission' doesn't have the actual exact details of the permission in it, and how we have no evidence that even the proposal he published was the actual one in discussion in the E-mail. Especially since the E-mails talk about a May proposal and it would be..... August. Smoking gun? Well clearly Somer is palsy with Lisa "Enjoying the rain today? ;)" and kept that email in case anyone notices anything fishy about their current promotion which they did. CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
Tam Arai
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:35:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Andski wrote:Quote:Blink provides no extra ISK or bonus Blink credit for buying through the link. Instead, we make it easy to sell your PLEX and get your ISK quickly, no matter where you are-- no Jita alt required. This is a service, in keeping with CCP's new guidelines that ETC affiliate link rewards should be service-oriented.
[...]
1. 1.Blink messaging: "Buy your Eve Time Codes through SOMER Blink and we'll buy your PLEX from you! No need to spend time flying to Jita to sell-- we guarantee we'll give you the best price!"
[...]
GÇóPlayers who want more ISK value from their PLEX than they could get selling it by themselves will be encouraged to spend money on PLEX, since they are guaranteed the best price in the Eve universe if you cannot see how this ambiguous wording was clearly intended to deceive the reader I have no words Actually that first bolded part would seem to be a flat out lie.
Exactly. The bolded sentence is possibly why permission was given to run the scheme.
But the scheme that they are running is not the one mentioned in this email. They are providing extra isk when you resell the plex back to them. |
Qalix
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
304
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:39:00 -
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Blah, blah, blah. Same as last year. An "investigation" that will "take a while" and then... nothing.
Squeeze out those last dollars while you can. |
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:42:00 -
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S'Way wrote:A game only holds it's integrity if all are playing by the same rules - whatever the result is of any investigation there needs to be no doubt that everyone is doing so.
Given previous incidents (which don't need to be mentioned), I hope there's as much transparancy as possible once the investigation is over so players can have confidence in it.
Exactly, so get rid of all the third party plex sellers, and get rid of all the ppl selling services for isk. |
Ohkewl
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:48:00 -
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Andski wrote:Ohkewl wrote:So all Somer has to do is: 1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words) 2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit 3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all on the other hand, if TMC offered you ISK for buying yourself a game through their amazon affiliate program, that would most certainly be clear-cut RMT
Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds. TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either. |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3395
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:50:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Blah, blah, blah. Same as last year. An "investigation" that will "take a while" and then... nothing.
Squeeze out those last dollars while you can.
This could have been dealt with in about an hour today. Hilmar, or some other delegate of CCP, types a statement in this thread stating that CCP has zero-tolerance for RMT, and any scheme to circumvent the EUALA and TOS will not be tolerated. THEN he can make the comment that CCP is dealing with their lawyers about this.
End of story. People would then know that they are coming down like an anvil on Somer-Blink. And if they did not hammer Somer, there will be zero ambiguity in the fact that CCP would then NOT consider this RMT and the floodgates are open for the cartels to do this, as well as anyone else with a ton of ISK, a web page and a affiliation with a plex seller. |
Cherry Yeyo
55
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:51:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:S'Way wrote:A game only holds it's integrity if all are playing by the same rules - whatever the result is of any investigation there needs to be no doubt that everyone is doing so.
Given previous incidents (which don't need to be mentioned), I hope there's as much transparancy as possible once the investigation is over so players can have confidence in it.
Exactly, so get rid of all the third party plex sellers, and get rid of all the ppl selling services for isk. You dont need to do any of that, you just cant offer a "bonus" or in game incentive to buy plex from you vs. anyone else. They established that last year.
CCP Rise>Sentry drones have enormous downsides |
Jarnis McPieksu
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
537
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:52:00 -
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Xeleonn wrote:Grainsalt wrote:The only question that needs an immediate answer is, did CCP give SOMER permission to run this promo as SOMER advertised? I think we will find Jimmy Hoffa's body before we get an answer. The blink GTC page has been updated with a link to text file of emails between Somer and CCP http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt Which seems to show that approval was given by at least someone at CCP.
Those are pretty damning... of course if Somer was smart, he actually got that signed letter of understanding from CCP Legal.
In which case the situation gets Really Really Complicated.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1475
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Posted - 2014.08.19 04:57:00 -
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Qalix wrote:Blah, blah, blah. Same as last year. An "investigation" that will "take a while" and then... nothing.
Squeeze out those last dollars while you can. Last year was actually quite different. There were two separate issues, or three really. Firstly, there was Somer manipulating IWS prices, which were given out to about six different community groups, not just Somer. And was just a straight up market manipulation. Shady given it was a community reward, but no worse than anything the Goons have done with their Ice interdictions to give another market manipulation example.
Secondly there was the ships they were given to raffle out, poor choice by CCP, which people complained would devalue the Golden Magnate, so CCP changed them for a totally new ship.
Finally there was the 'RMT scandal'.... except there never was one. There was a change in CCP's policies on third party sellers, of which nearly all were using the same incentive scheme as Somer was. The reason Somer came up was because when the 'cease & desist' was issued as a policy change by CCP, the other schemes all changed asap, while Somer actually increased their scheme running right up until the cut off date with it.
So last year was not a question of actual RMT since the schemes till that time had CCP's approval for 'everyone' to use, not just Somer. Nor was it a question of contract fraud or anything of the sort. This year there are those real questions.
So, very different case. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
10911
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:09:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds. TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either. except for the articles that they don't pay ISK for (every article not related to EVE, articles written by writers who don't want ISK compensation or don't have EVE accounts)
they also don't buy just any article from anyone either because, well, they don't want crappy articles from illiterates Twitter: @EVEAndski
TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4244
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:12:00 -
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First Chribba's unusally sharp jab at CCP. Then Goons and Dinsdale in agreement in the same thread. The ****'s happenning in here?! |
Ace Boogi
Republic University Minmatar Republic
271
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:15:00 -
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Really felt sick seeing this come up again not even a year after the first time. How I remember it, what Somer was doing was pretty heavy *redacted* and it was even more so obvious when they did their '1bil credit' cashout week. Seemed like that was a slap in CCP's face after essentially being slapped on the wrist for what would get other people banned (if you consider giving them free unique 1tril ISK ships to be a slap on the wrist) and now this... it's staggeringly disrespectful to both CCP and the Eve community as a whole. This time there shouldn't be second chances, slaps on the wrist, and consolation prizes... if found to be *redacted* they should be dealt with as any other player would. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
170
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:20:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote:Andski wrote:Ohkewl wrote:So all Somer has to do is: 1. everyone buying plex through their site also needs to write an article (lets say min 3 max 20 words) 2. Somer buys these articles for isk and puts them on a websit 3. Markeedragon has a banner on the site and pays Somer for the advertising.
There you go, a legitemate newsite.
except that's not what TMC or other news sites do at all on the other hand, if TMC offered you ISK for buying yourself a game through their amazon affiliate program, that would most certainly be clear-cut RMT Minus the plex buying, it is what they do, buy articles for isk, get money from adds. TMC or Evenews24 doesnt buy just any article from anyone either.
As a former writer for TMC, that's not how they behave/operate at all. They pay the writer for EVE "Universe" articles (EVE Online, DUST 514, EVE Valkyrie etc.) which includes videos and streaming. They don't just pay a writer for a non-EVE article with in-game money. Any coverage not pertaining to EVE is compensated in a different fashion and has no ISK or PLEX or GTC involved whatsoever. As for "doesnt buy just any article from anyone either" that's due to, in TMC's case, quality control and preference for not having poorly written and grammatically incorrect pieces thrown out there. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
John Ending
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
101
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:20:00 -
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too big to fail
or get banned |
Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
763
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:36:00 -
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I won't hold my breath; the last thread about SOMERBlink's obvious RMT actions spiraled out o control because CCP didn't take it seriously. We were told we'd be updated regularly, and weeks after we were told a statement was coming out the thread was unstickied and no one gave a damn.
Expecting another slap on the wrist for SOMER, because you never listen to us anyways. |
Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
763
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Posted - 2014.08.19 05:49:00 -
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Also, funny ot see that the first five replies are CSM members, all with-in the span of thirteen minutes. We know whose whipped, no.
Keep suckin', kids. No teeth. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2669
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:04:00 -
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Oh my gawd... I don't know what to say about this OP. I simply lack of words that could describe how disappointed I am by this piece of PR sh!t.
And CSM, those bubbleheads nodding obediently and praising how well CCP reacted? Geez...
You talked all day and all you came up with is "investigation". Because apparently "buy PLEX from me and I will buy it back at Jita price + x" is not clear enough. Invalid signature format |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2014.08.19 06:07:00 -
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Turns out that CCP DID authorize this: http://cogdev.net/blink/lisa.txt (unless this is a blatant lie)
So now we're back to CCP allowing this to go on, but only for their special snowflakes.
Don't worry Somer, I'm sure you get some more limited edition ships, or other goodies outta this. Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
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