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reamorph
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:06:00 -
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so nearly time for "the" vote any opinions? Not worried where your from just interested is all and for the record record I'm Scottish and a definite yes for freedom |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2240
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:54:00 -
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relevant [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20220
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:01:00 -
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If Scotland votes yes then does that mean that England won't have to put up with people like Tony Blair and Gordon Brown any more?
Those 2 were Scotlands revenge for 300+ years of English rule
Personally I fell that the UK will be worse off if Scotland secedes from the union, united we stand and divided we fall etc.
In before the lock for discussion of politics.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Angelique Duchemin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:29:00 -
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Freedom and independence is great and all. Especially when 3/5 of Scottish nuclear power stations belong to the British government and the remaining two belong to France. The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1393
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Posted - 2014.08.20 01:17:00 -
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Own Currency sorted ? Own Head of State sorted ?
What level of taxation do you think will be needed to support : - Education - Health - Welfare - Border Controls
Because remember, freedom from the UK means going it alone. You want Independence, don't expect the English, Welsh & N.I citizens to foot the bills because that's NOT independence.
On the plus side there will be fewer seats needed in Parliament ... Sure your politicians can sit in the viewing area, but they will be foreign nationals and therefore get no vote on matters regarding UK law/policy.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people haven't really considered this side of Scottish independence very much at all.
Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too. |
Cynter DeVries
Spheroidal Projections
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Posted - 2014.08.20 02:44:00 -
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Hmmm... depends. How will this affect single malt production? Cynter's Law of feature suggestion: Thou shalt not suggest NPCs do something players could do instead. |
Xtreem
PERPIDE Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:36:00 -
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Scotland and England are stronger together than apart, perhaps further devolution to make both sides happy.
Scotland in terms of population and GDP would make it go from a strong UK to a 'small' economy while Britain would not suffer too much of an impact.
I think it's a case of it's not broke, don't fix it. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:46:00 -
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I think you guys would be better off seceding from the EU instead.
No troll, Brussels does not have your best interest at heart, at all. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.20 09:47:00 -
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Xtreem wrote:Scotland and England are stronger together than apart, perhaps further devolution to make both sides happy.
Scotland in terms of population and GDP would make it go from a strong UK to a 'small' economy while Britain would not suffer too much of an impact.
I think it's a case of it's not broke, don't fix it. Agreed. It's about time England got it's own Parliament though, Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales have their own as well as representation in Westminster, whereas England is stuck with just Westminster.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:37:00 -
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If the Scots go independent, but then turn around and join the EU, that would be a huge blunder. Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.08.20 11:48:00 -
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reamorph wrote:so nearly time for "the" vote any opinions? Not worried where your from just interested is all and for the record record I'm Scottish and a definite yes for freedom
Freedom of what? And what vote? Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20251
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I think you guys would be better off seceding from the EU instead.
No troll, Brussels does not have your best interest at heart, at all. Tell me about it, the European Parliament, and MEPs, are amongst the most wasteful people on the planet, and corrupt to boot.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
112245
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:07:00 -
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meh
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Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
112245
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:07:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I think you guys would be better off seceding from the EU instead.
No troll, Brussels does not have your best interest at heart, at all.
Much better idea
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
2450
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:56:00 -
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They will still be englishmans with funny accent to me, no matter the voting results. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.08.20 17:26:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:If the Scots go independent, but then turn around and join the EU, that would be a huge blunder.
That's exactly the plan though. Join the EU, with 6 MEPs out of 750, so Scotland can have a Scottish foreign policy (as long as it doesn't conflict with the EU common foreign policy). The recent election of the EU Commissioner is significant in this respect - he was chosen by the EU Parliament, rather than what happened in the past, which was an agreement among representatives from the member states. When there are agreements between say, EU foreign ministers, then Scotland would be 1 voice out of ~30. When the decision is by the EU Parliament, then Scotland is 6 voices out of 750, or in practical terms, less than 6, because there are likely to only ever be 2 or 3 MEPs from whichever party is in power in Scotland. 2 out of 750 is... difficult to suggest changes to the Scotland-EU relationship - things like the common agricultural policy, common fisheries policy, and so on. There are rumours about eventual direct taxation by the EU Parliament, rather than the money going to national governments and then to the EU. It would not be surprising if the much talked about oil revenue of Scotland ends up being expended on reforming the economies of the problem areas in the EU. But that's the policy that is being promoted by the pro-independence campaign.
Cynter DeVries wrote:Hmmm... depends. How will this affect single malt production?
Prices would probably go up. As it turns out, and this is something I myself didn't know until a few weeks ago when it was in the news, but a lot of Scottish distilleries import their grain from farms in England - these farms are specialist grain producers for distilleries and breweries across the UK and in some cases abroad. Throwing up a customs/tax border between the distilleries and their suppliers is only going to cause difficulties. Throw in such things as how trade missions by embassies work - one of the perpetual concerns from Scottish distilleries to the UK diplomatic service was how to get various foreign countries to lower import taxes on Scottish whisky - that would no longer be a UK diplomatic service concern. So, I think it is likely whisky would become more expensive in many places in the world - it's also unlikely to become cheaper in Scotland, because of the minimum unit pricing on alcohol policy. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:12:00 -
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Until when? Whennn??
I totally sympatize. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:18:00 -
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what's going to happen to that beautiful flag? all the blue will have to be taken out. |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:55:00 -
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I'd say "yes", but only if you take Yorkshire with you
I suspect the result will be "no" for economic reasons. That might not be a complete loss because the vote is rooted in the desire for self governance and the ability to control internal spending/taxation. Scotland has (and will retain) a unique cultural identity within the UK regardless of the vote result. Control of the purse strings might be the consolation prize if the result is "no" but without all the hassle of separation.
I'm rooting for "yes", personally, however economically and politically irrational. Family in Scotland are not. If it hurts the UK, well... that's an overdue bill. We've exploited and supressed an awful lot of people for economic gain, and there's something perversely pleasing about a diplomatic wrangle to rectify it. As opposed to some of the more painful conflicts.
gl DON'T BE RIDICULOUS! |
Rittel
Band of Valence
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:44:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:I'd say "yes", but only if you take Yorkshire with you
As a Yorkshireman - no thanks. I'd rather stick with England for now.
I do rather hate what the independence 'discussions' have become, from my point of view its mostly the SNP either coming out with overly optimistic plan and when anyone points out flaws it becomes 'anti-scottish'. Don't get me wrong the pro-union side have taken the wrong approach a number of times as well but the SNP approach to me sounds dodgy to say the least.
I hope Scotland chooses to stay it will be a loss if you guy go but its your choice - just don't act all surprised when Salmond doesn't get his way.
Wish we would also stop this rubbish about England / UK / the British Empire being evil and doing nothing but nasty deeds as we marched for global domination. It's utter rubbish - there were horrors committed but, and I know this is difficult to accept, the empire did a huge amount of good too. |
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Spazzy Fit
Citalopram Appreciation Society
0
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:42:00 -
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Do us English get a vote? Because if so, I vote yes. Let's see how you manage without sponging from our taxes. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
8997
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Posted - 2014.08.21 05:55:00 -
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Spazzy Fit wrote:Do us English get a vote? Because if so, I vote yes. Let's see how you manage without sponging from our taxes.
Speaking as an American, can we do this to Florida and California? Florida is just ten kinds of ****, while California is the single most wasteful, puerile society in the history of mankind. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1395
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Posted - 2014.08.21 13:58:00 -
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as your former masters
you have our permission. |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
123512
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:04:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too.
This Welshman is happy to stay part of the UK. Plaid Cymru are a bunch of idiots. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20293
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:22:00 -
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Graygor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too. This Welshman is happy to stay part of the UK. Plaid Cymru are a bunch of idiots. Says the Welshman that doesn't have to live in the UK
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Graygor
1kB Realty 1kB Galactic
123529
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Posted - 2014.08.21 14:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Graygor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too. This Welshman is happy to stay part of the UK. Plaid Cymru are a bunch of idiots. Says the Welshman that doesn't have to live in the UK
We need a shifty eyes emote.
This shall suffice. "I think you should buy a new Mayan calendar. Mine has muscle cars on it." --áKenneth O'Hara
"I dont think that can happen, you can see Gray has his invuln field on in his portrait." - Commissar "Cake" Kate |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
631
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Posted - 2014.08.21 19:55:00 -
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as far as im concerned if Scotland wants to go it alone its a matter that entirely up to them .if they wanna go then traaa cya laters and thanks for the fish and the whisky have a nice time propping up your country
TBH im more concerned about having a vote on the EU opt in or out
whatever happens in Scotland has absaloutly no impact on my life but Europe does and for me that's more important
as far as im concerned if Scotland goes it alone then they can have our membership of the EU . |
Alexis Valentyne
Solar Securitas Inc
1416
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Posted - 2014.08.21 22:59:00 -
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I'm voting yes. Just wish that Nicola Sturgeon went up against Alistair Darling... she's a pitbull. I seem to smell the stench of appeasement in the air. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12772
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Posted - 2014.08.22 00:27:00 -
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I want to know if the scots go independent when are they going to be buying fighter jets and how soon would their airforce be in place to intercept the Russian strategic bombers that are probing uk airspace every other week.
Also, the oil is running out. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Pepper Swift
The Vendunari End of Life
29371
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:13:00 -
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When is the vote? When life gives you melons you might be-ádyslexic.
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