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Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.08.22 05:03:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:I want to know if the scots go independent when are they going to be buying fighter jets and how soon would their airforce be in place to intercept the Russian strategic bombers that are probing uk airspace every other week.
Also, the oil is running out.
The plan is that one squadron of ~12 Eurofighter Typhoons is transferred to the new Air Force Scotland (every body created recently seems to be called X Scotland - Police Scotland, Revenue Scotland etc.), and that squadron would be based at iirc Lossiemouth. This single squadron is iirc, the entirety of the proposed fast jet element of the hypothetical air force. Strike aircraft are ruled out because they're illegal weapons of power projection that are used to oppress people in illegal wars, or something. As a result, no Scottish fast jets will ever be deployed abroad to support multinational efforts, and no Scottish ground forces that might be deployed abroad will ever have any air support that they have consistent experience of operating with.
I don't recall what the idea was for training of aircrew, or deep maintenance of the aircraft. I'm guessing that "arrangements would be in place with the rUK". With only 12 fast jets, it inevitably means career congestion and erratic recruitment will take place. say something like 24 pilots for those 12 aircraft, and each pilot has a flying career of ~12 years or more. Means you recruit only 2 pilots per year long term. If you have 4 promising recruits one year, well, 2 of them are out of luck. You could tell them to apply again next year, but... they might go elsewhere.
I don't think the Scottish government has asked the existing RAF personnel if they want to be transferred either, the assumption seems to be that they will be transferred whether they wish to or not.
There is also the assumption that Scotland would get the 12 Eurofighters in the first place - this would depend on accepting that big chunk of the UK national debt that Alex Salmond and John Swinney occasionally threaten not to take on. If they don't take on the debt, they get nothing, and would have to purchase 12 Eurofighters off the shelf. That's not going to happen quickly. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.08.22 06:38:00 -
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Now on a more serious note: whatever you think of Scotland vote, it is a hundred times better than the indescribable situation with independentism in Catalonia. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2014.08.22 11:17:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Graygor wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too. This Welshman is happy to stay part of the UK. Plaid Cymru are a bunch of idiots. Says the Welshman that doesn't have to live in the UK
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 12:18:00 -
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Shirley Serious wrote:
There is also the assumption that Scotland would get the 12 Eurofighters in the first place
Yea the MoD have no interest in handing over a squadron of typhoons. Also have it on good account that they also wont be handing over any challenger 2s, warriors or even scimitars.
I have always wondered why nobody has ever questioned Salmond to any degree on this subject given how important it is. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Shirley Serious wrote:
There is also the assumption that Scotland would get the 12 Eurofighters in the first place
Yea the MoD have no interest in handing over a squadron of typhoons. Also have it on good account that they also wont be handing over any challenger 2s, warriors or even scimitars. I have always wondered why nobody has ever questioned Salmond to any degree on this subject given how important it is.
Let them fight for it.
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Cap ITal
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:01:00 -
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This is something that annoys me hugely. Salmond is a huge power hungry troll.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.22 13:06:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Shirley Serious wrote:
There is also the assumption that Scotland would get the 12 Eurofighters in the first place
Yea the MoD have no interest in handing over a squadron of typhoons. Also have it on good account that they also wont be handing over any challenger 2s, warriors or even scimitars. Or the fuel to run them for that matter. Army and RAF POL (Petroleum, Oils and Lubricants) are supplied by the Petroleum Centre RLC in Dorset, the Navy have their own arrangements.
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Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.08.22 14:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Shirley Serious wrote:
There is also the assumption that Scotland would get the 12 Eurofighters in the first place
Yea the MoD have no interest in handing over a squadron of typhoons. Also have it on good account that they also wont be handing over any challenger 2s, warriors or even scimitars. I have always wondered why nobody has ever questioned Salmond to any degree on this subject given how important it is.
Everyone that asks questions about defence, gets the standard nationalist treatment, of being told they're wrong, incompetent, lying and a coward, for not believing in the vision.
The online nationalists are the worst: When the 1st Sea Lord of the Admiralty said that independence would almost certainly mean no ships being built in Scotland for the RN, and that it would make defence of the home nations far more difficult and costly, again, he gets accused of being wrong, incompetent, lying and a coward, who knows nothing about the subject, by the online nationalists who simply do not understand that no country buys warships from abroad if it can help it. National Security.
A warship, a frontline one, such as the currently building Type 45 destroyers and Type 26 frigates, incorporate a number of electronics systems (which is a substantial amount of modern warship costs), the design and capabilities of which are confidential, for good reason. In many cases, those designs are subject to Official Secrets Acts and the like. The nationalist vision seems to think that the rUK would be happy to be handing important national secrets - the exact designs of modern frontline warships, to a foreign country. I'm not sure, but I think that when the UK purchased some F-4 Phantoms, that the Phantoms were delivered with American made export model radars, but these were then replaced by British made radars, which the Americans never had access to. That's the kind of model that would exist for building warships for export. Fitted for, but not with, systems that the builders never have access to. And when you start down that route, then... the rUK could buy hulls from almost any country, and fit them with their own electronics. The Clyde shipyards would then be on a far different playing field than current.
In addition to this, one of the major things about defence that the nationalists say, is that an independent Scotland would "no longer be part of illegal wars", and that this would protect Scotland from external threats, such as jihadi terrorists. But they still want to build the weapons to fight those illegal wars, and Scotland is already at risk from those terrorists, because Scotland is still "the West".
But, if you question the independence defence policy, then you are No True Scotsman.
Cap ITal wrote:This is something that annoys me hugely. Salmond is a huge power hungry troll.
Did you know, that the current Scottish Government is far more centralised, and exerts far more power over local councils, than anything that the Scottish Office ever did during the Thatcher years ?
That is, the Scottish Government has more power to interfere with and overturn decisions and policies made by the local councils, than anything that ever existed prior to devolution.
The Scottish Government intervened in a planning application for a wind farm, that had been turned down by the local council, and ordered a war memorial moved, so that the wind farm could go ahead. As an example.
There are other incidents - the debacle about Donald Trump's Aberdeenshire resort for example. National Government intervention, to force the development to go ahead. Threats of using Compulsory Purchase orders, to allow the development, and so on. Compulsory Purchase is a power not to be used lightly, it is intended for projects of national benefit, and there is Salmond's cabinet using it to force the development of a luxury golf resort. |
Adunh Slavy
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:51:00 -
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Shirley Serious wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:If the Scots go independent, but then turn around and join the EU, that would be a huge blunder. ... But that's the policy that is being promoted by the pro-independence campaign.
Then it's not really an independence campaign, is it? Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-á-á- William Pitt |
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.08.22 18:59:00 -
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Rittel wrote: I do rather hate what the independence 'discussions' have become, from my point of view its mostly the SNP either coming out with overly optimistic plan and when anyone points out flaws it becomes 'anti-scottish'. Don't get me wrong the pro-union side have taken the wrong approach a number of times as well but the SNP approach to me sounds dodgy to say the least.
Elements of the yes campaign, advocate taking photographs of no campaigners, photographing anyone wearing a no campaign badge, making notes of where no voters live and work, and creating dossiers of this sort of information.
East German Stasi style. |
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Jay Foucalt
Umbra Syndicate Subspace Exploration Agency
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Posted - 2014.08.22 19:28:00 -
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im English and i think we should respect whatever people vote for next month
That said im actually less interested in the economic case since even if the unionists are telling the truth and Scotland would be worse off thats not necessarily a reason not to have independence. For arguments sake lets pretend England would be better off if we let Germany annex us. is anyone going to vote for that? I don't think so and without wanting to derail this, thats precisely the sort of the argument people use to leave the eu even though the long term economic prospects are apparently much better if the uk stays in and integrates more.
The part that i don't understand is that the SNP still want the pound (and to rely on the bank of England as a lender of last resort), still want the royal family, and to share and co-ordinate with the rest of the UK on defense - so really while i wouldn't dream of saying they'd be reliant on the rest of the UK in that scenario, I think they'd still be sharing a lot of important institutions that the rest of the UK would retain a controlling interest in. As a foreign country they'd stand to have less influence in them than they do now since no english, welsh or northern irish ministers or civil servants will have to consider scotland as much when making their decisions.
Correct me if im wrong but that doesn't sound like real independence to me. fair enough everything has to start somewhere and maybe in ten or twenty or fifty years down the line it'd all be different, they arent voting on making salmond president for life after all. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.08.22 22:35:00 -
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I may be biased by our own disgraceful independentism, but I think that the real reason behind independentism in this time and world it's a wish to be head of a mouse rather than tail of a lion -a mere megalomanic desire by certain individuals who think fo THEIR wellness as Supreme Ruler rather than of the disgraces that suppose to the people being a tiny irrelevant third rate country in Europe's backyard.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2014.08.22 23:35:00 -
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As a descendent of 'Scotch-Irish' people who immigrated to the Appalachia America in the early 19th century, and the worst of whom eventually ended up in Texas, I feel that I... have absolutely no say at all in this matter. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.08.23 05:53:00 -
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Jay Foucalt wrote: The part that i don't understand is that the SNP still want the pound (and to rely on the bank of England as a lender of last resort), still want the royal family, and to share and co-ordinate with the rest of the UK on defense - so really while i wouldn't dream of saying they'd be reliant on the rest of the UK in that scenario, I think they'd still be sharing a lot of important institutions that the rest of the UK would retain a controlling interest in. As a foreign country they'd stand to have less influence in them than they do now since no english, welsh or northern irish ministers or civil servants will have to consider scotland as much when making their decisions.
Correct me if im wrong but that doesn't sound like real independence to me. fair enough everything has to start somewhere and maybe in ten or twenty or fifty years down the line it'd all be different, they arent voting on making salmond president for life after all.
That part is a campaign tactic. By promising to keep the pound, the Queen, and various other things that are UK-wide, they hope to win over some people who don't like the ideas promoted by other elements of the pro-independence campaign - the Scottish Socialist Party for example wants a socialist republic.
should a yes vote happen, then the plan is for referendum after referendum after referendum until "the correct result is achieved", which includes removal of the monarchy.
This plan largely relies on the creation of the attitude that the other countries of the UK are "the enemy", and "cannot be trusted". Every time that one of the shared institutions makes a decision that does not favour the 8% of the population that is Scotland, then it will be trumpeted as "Evil anti-scottish thieving by the enemy", and so on.
There are other plans, such as gaelicisation of the entire country, aspiring to replace football with shinty as the national favourite sport, and so on. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2014.08.23 07:20:00 -
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Future of Scots defence forces. The true Scotsman don't need more. When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
112249
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Posted - 2014.08.24 08:16:00 -
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I have decided to Vote No...
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Shirley Serious
Gutter Press
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Posted - 2014.08.24 12:04:00 -
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Adunh Slavy wrote:Shirley Serious wrote:Adunh Slavy wrote:If the Scots go independent, but then turn around and join the EU, that would be a huge blunder. ... But that's the policy that is being promoted by the pro-independence campaign. Then it's not really an independence campaign, is it?
Quote:Mr Salmond said he wanted to leave the United Kingdom but join the European Union because the latter was not an GÇ£incorporating unionGÇ¥ in which national identity would disappear.
Given that the whole EU project was in response to the nationalism which had just caused the biggest war in Europe, I am unsure why anyone can believe that national identity would be a big thing in the EU of the future.
6 (or less) MEPs out of 750. The bulk of the EU population live in the vicinity of Belgium, West Germany, NE France, it is inevitable that EU politics will revolve around the Euro-core, where most of the economic activity and population are. Scotland is on the far edge of Europe, it will never be any European parliament's main concern. |
Zimmy Zeta
Lisa Needs Braces.
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Posted - 2014.08.25 07:07:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:I have decided to Vote No...
Understandable. Your choice was between the Empire and the Rebel Alliance, and you went for the guys with the cooler uniforms .
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Pepper Swift
The Vendunari End of Life
30775
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Posted - 2014.08.25 07:28:00 -
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Alice Saki wrote:I have decided to Vote No...
I would probably vote no too..
But im not scottish.. so I have no say in the matter ... When life gives you melons you might be-ádyslexic.
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Lee Mcgee
Apollo Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2014.08.25 11:17:00 -
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I'm English and hope to god Scotland votes yes. |
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
633
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:29:00 -
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on a plus note ..if Scotland go for independence ...we will never see a labour government in power again ...cos that's where their power base is |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:52:00 -
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Brucie's bonus prize :yay:
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Tassin en Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.08.26 19:54:00 -
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More countries equals more politicians equals more wasted tax money. The EU may have its flaws and might need some restructuring, but a united Europe is the way to go, first Europe, then the world, then Mars. Carebear Extraordinaire |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
594
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:39:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Own Currency sorted ? Own Head of State sorted ?
What level of taxation do you think will be needed to support : - Education - Health - Welfare - Border Controls
Because remember, freedom from the UK means going it alone. You want Independence, don't expect the English, Welsh & N.I citizens to foot the bills because that's NOT independence.
On the plus side there will be fewer seats needed in Parliament ... Sure your politicians can sit in the viewing area, but they will be foreign nationals and therefore get no vote on matters regarding UK law/policy.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people haven't really considered this side of Scottish independence very much at all.
Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too.
Scotland already have their own NHS, Education system, Councils etc. etc... They also pay more in taxes into the UK as a whole while receiving less of those taxes back to spend.
The Trident facility also costs > -ú600K per DAY to maintain and actively blocks drilling for oil in that area - which (just like all of the UK's costal area's) is terrible news due to shipyards dieing and more and more Business being moved to London - more jobs in these area's are desperately needed (unlike nukes, they aren't as mandatory to feed families)
In the history of the world, only 1 country has discovered Oil and gotten poorer: Scotland. You seem to be spouting Pro-Union propaganda that is incredibly biased.
But this issue seems to have brought out the worst in the UK: People made up there mind without actually researching the things being said.
Tassin en Lone wrote:More countries equals more politicians equals more wasted tax money. The EU may have its flaws and might need some restructuring, but a united Europe is the way to go, first Europe, then the world, then Mars.
The UK just voted in the the EU parlimentary elections for a party called UKIP (they have the majority of seats from the UK) - they have stated they want to leave the EU essentially. Scottish votes where < 6000 across the whole country for this party, but due to representation in England they now have to face a possible future out of the EU, which they haven't voted for. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12961
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Posted - 2014.09.03 19:11:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:Kitty Bear wrote:Own Currency sorted ? Own Head of State sorted ?
What level of taxation do you think will be needed to support : - Education - Health - Welfare - Border Controls
Because remember, freedom from the UK means going it alone. You want Independence, don't expect the English, Welsh & N.I citizens to foot the bills because that's NOT independence.
On the plus side there will be fewer seats needed in Parliament ... Sure your politicians can sit in the viewing area, but they will be foreign nationals and therefore get no vote on matters regarding UK law/policy.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people haven't really considered this side of Scottish independence very much at all.
Ditto to the Welsh .. as they state this desire quite frequently too. Scotland already have their own NHS, Education system, Councils etc. etc... They also pay more in taxes into the UK as a whole while receiving less of those taxes back to spend. The Trident facility also costs > -ú600K per DAY to maintain and actively blocks drilling for oil in that area - which (just like all of the UK's costal area's) is terrible news due to shipyards dieing and more and more Business being moved to London - more jobs in these area's are desperately needed (unlike nukes, they aren't as mandatory to feed families) In the history of the world, only 1 country has discovered Oil and gotten poorer: Scotland. You seem to be spouting Pro-Union propaganda that is incredibly biased. But this issue seems to have brought out the worst in the UK: People made up there mind without actually researching the things being said. Tassin en Lone wrote:More countries equals more politicians equals more wasted tax money. The EU may have its flaws and might need some restructuring, but a united Europe is the way to go, first Europe, then the world, then Mars. The UK just voted in the the EU parlimentary elections for a party called UKIP (they have the majority of seats from the UK) - they have stated they want to leave the EU essentially. Scottish votes where < 6000 across the whole country for this party, but due to representation in England they now have to face a possible future out of the EU, which they haven't voted for. Shirley Serious wrote:That part is a campaign tactic. By promising to keep the pound, the Queen, and various other things that are UK-wide, they hope to win over some people who don't like the ideas promoted by other elements of the pro-independence campaign - the Scottish Socialist Party for example wants a socialist republic.
should a yes vote happen, then the plan is for referendum after referendum after referendum until "the correct result is achieved", which includes removal of the monarchy.
This plan largely relies on the creation of the attitude that the other countries of the UK are "the enemy", and "cannot be trusted". Every time that one of the shared institutions makes a decision that does not favour the 8% of the population that is Scotland, then it will be trumpeted as "Evil anti-scottish thieving by the enemy", and so on.
There are other plans, such as gaelicisation of the entire country, aspiring to replace football with shinty as the national favourite sport, and so on. Everything you just said is unfounded and ironically more campaign tactics. There is a reason Scottish people have dubbed the 'No' Campaign "Project Fear". The UK is a mess. Can you blame them for wanting to try and do it better themself? Instead fo swallowing Yes/No lies from both sides, go look up real information. The US has the same issue - they have zsero personal freedoms these days thanks to 'Anti-Terrorism Measures' but the 2 party system doesn't support change, only the propagation of the norm. You can thank congress for that.
You say don't listen to no campaign bias then spout yes campaign bullshit about about how scotland is the only oil rich nation to be poorer than before the oil was found.
Tell me, is scotland richer now than in the 60s? The answer is yes, it is. As for the nukes, yes they are expensive, yes they don't put food on the table but they do provide one very important thing. They stopped WW3. As the Falklands showed, we cannot rely upon America to have our back. That big sub base? It employs tens of thousands of scots in a area lacking in jobs.
Look around, the world is not a good place. Russia has invaded Europe, it is sending Strategic bombers into UK airspace on a near 6 week basis. And Salmond wants to break up the biggest Military power in Europe and cripple its ability to both defend itself and its overseas territories as well as its ability to deploy overseas. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
640
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Posted - 2014.09.03 19:35:00 -
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this topic reminds of a conversation a certain irish man by the name of Gerry adams had ...and whilst I don't espouse the polotics of this person he hit the nail on the by saying "we irish have fought for centuries for independence from the british yolk ... only to sign it away to some faceless beurocrats in another continent"
now that's not the exact thing that he said as im paraphrasing and it was a while ago when he said it ... but it sort of rings true ...talk about history repeating itself |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.03 19:40:00 -
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It seems our oversized aircraft carrier in Europe is having issues again Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2376
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Posted - 2014.09.03 19:45:00 -
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Andski wrote:It seems our oversized aircraft carrier in Europe is having issues again and as an european that according to some, lives in Spain's ghetto, I must say: meh, same old. anything new? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1400
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Posted - 2014.09.03 21:57:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:
Scotland already have their own NHS, Education system, Councils etc. etc... They also pay more in taxes into the UK as a whole while receiving less of those taxes back to spend.
The Trident facility also costs > -ú600K per DAY to maintain and actively blocks drilling for oil in that area - which (just like all of the UK's costal area's) is terrible news due to shipyards dieing and more and more Business being moved to London - more jobs in these area's are desperately needed (unlike nukes, they aren't as mandatory to feed families)
In the history of the world, only 1 country has discovered Oil and gotten poorer: Scotland. You seem to be spouting Pro-Union propaganda that is incredibly biased.
But this issue seems to have brought out the worst in the UK: People made up there mind without actually researching the things being said.
Tell me about your prescription charges ....... you do have prescription charges right ??
Any idea how much annually that actually costs. ?
Thought not.
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Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
595
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Posted - 2014.09.04 15:05:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Maeltstome wrote:
Scotland already have their own NHS, Education system, Councils etc. etc... They also pay more in taxes into the UK as a whole while receiving less of those taxes back to spend.
The Trident facility also costs > -ú600K per DAY to maintain and actively blocks drilling for oil in that area - which (just like all of the UK's costal area's) is terrible news due to shipyards dieing and more and more Business being moved to London - more jobs in these area's are desperately needed (unlike nukes, they aren't as mandatory to feed families)
In the history of the world, only 1 country has discovered Oil and gotten poorer: Scotland. You seem to be spouting Pro-Union propaganda that is incredibly biased.
But this issue seems to have brought out the worst in the UK: People made up there mind without actually researching the things being said.
Tell me about your prescription charges ....... you do have prescription charges right ?? Any idea how much annually that actually costs. ? Thought not.
You're assume I'm both Scottish and a Yes voter. I've not said I'm either.
The costs of everything in the Scottish budget right now falls within, you guessed it, their budget. Westminster gives SCotland and allowance from tax income to run the country. Everything is seperate and payed for from that budget. Even with the expensive prescriptions you're talking about, it still falls within the Scottish budget.
The Scottish budget is also less than the tax they pay into the union.
Ergo financially Scotland could maintaing the same standard of life as an Independant country, using the same tax system with 4Bil a year left in change.
I'm not spouting "yes" propaganda. I just read Independent financial reports and stuff that westminster has released WITHOUT listening to the conclusions that have been drawn by either side.
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