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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: HippoKing
Originally by: Dark Shikari While this may no be the whole story, its possible that many people just normally going about their business could have accidentally taken advantage of the bug.
I think CCP overreacted: people who "exploited" to get a few million were clearly not intentionally doing so.
On the other hand, when an alt starts a thread explaining to us that he was on another alt, claiming escrows he couldn't afford by accident, just at the time of a large exploit regarding that, it seems a mite suspicious, particularly given that all we have is his word that it was 10mil only and that he paid that straight back from his main. Obviously shopping alts with less than 10mil to their names browsing escrow with "show only affordable" off are common.
I'm going to assume that people banned incorrectly won't stay banned for long. Contrary to popular belief, CCP are not ebil goblins trying to find as many ways as possible to stop you giving them money.
this alt is a 3.5 month acc with 3-4m sp. I have posted with my damn main if i could
Then prepare to have this account banned as well - It's the person that gets banned, not the account. CCP look up which account you are posting from, check the IP used, check that IP against the IP and other details against the logged IP's of the banned accounts and voila. Another banned account for you. Seriously though, if it really was a mistake for them to ban you, check out the help section on the left hand side - it explains how to appeal.
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Flashmurder
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:48:00 -
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Because Zev has billions, he wouldn't bother with an exploit for a few million, as soon as he went red he transferred the money straight over as well.
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:49:00 -
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What I am trying to say is -
CCP never look at the history of players before banning them. Clean history in this game means jack. You make one honest mistake which is what I believe is the case here, and no warning just a ban. People invest a lot of time playing this game, and it does not mean anything.
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WhiteSnake
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:49:00 -
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I think that CCP used some kind of filter to ban all the accounts that used that bug. I strongly believe that not all of them are responsible, or did that on purpose.
I hope to look closely to the petitions due to this bug, and help the legit players that were banned, couse they used that bug by mistake.
To be honest, CCP have to resolve this a.s.a.p. it is not so hard to find out who abuse it and who didnt. respect to the customers is the key of success.
As it concerns about my corpmate, I can verify that he as plenty of isk, to abuse this stupid bug for 4,5 mils, becouse this is the amount of money we are talking about.
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shoopy
Originally by: Alaria Edited by: Alaria on 20/07/2006 22:42:43
Originally by: Shoopy just petition.
i ve petioned allready. the problem is not if I get my accs back (bcs I know I didnt anything wrong and I ll get them back).
The problem is how ccp is treeting paying customers. They should first check, then ban or accuse ppl of exploiting
Good, so why bring it to the forum? This post is prob gonna be locked...
let them lock it I dont eve care anymore. I am banned and I didnt anything wrong. I could prove it if i could login in my accs. But I cannot. I am so frustated I cannot think clearly anymore.
But I can express myself freely about how ccp is treeting their customers
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Rutoo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:53:00 -
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Well the best thing that can be done is petition no matter what.
Bring the troops on the fourms to complain really does nothing, becuase most times CCP don't look at the fourms,
[email protected] is the best thing you can do, otr even better hate to say it harrasement petition ingame would get you a correct answer...
Remember when the accouts got stolen along time and alot of isk was transfered all over the place? CCP Hit alot of people with the Ban Hammer really fast, but they got unbanned after a while, they just need to cover thier basis and make sure.
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:57:00 -
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ok let think about this the other way. You are a pay-tv subscriber, you have payed your bills but your subscription is canceled bcs of an pay-tv company mistake.
What would you have done in that case? You have payed and you cannot watch pay-tv
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Xelios
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 22:59:00 -
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Not only does CCP not look at the forums all that much, they really really don't like it when you make posts about banned accounts or exploits, both of which are in this thread.
Just file a petition and go from there. Like someone said they probably used a filter to show a list of all accounts that went into - isk today and simply banned each one that went into - through escrow. They can't tell from looking at a log if it was intentional or not, and convoing every person could take days. So they just once over'd the logs, banned everyone who got caught and now it's up to you to petition it and get yourself unbanned.
They have to be quick about these things since you essentially got items for free, if those items were then sold to other players it makes the situation very awkward on CCP's end. Best thing to do in a situation like this is to ban first and ask questions later. Freeze all the exploited isk/items before they disseminate into the rest of the player base and get much harder to fix.
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doyoulikemytightsweater
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:00:00 -
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so - its like certain big countries do it.
Just nuke any other countries that may or may not have terrorists. If you kill a few couples just going to their weddings..collateral.
You can always apologize later, right ¯
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: doyoulikemytightsweater so - its like certain big countries do it.
Just nuke any other countries that may or may not have terrorists. If you kill a few couples just going to their weddings..collateral.
You can always apologize later, right ¯
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:03:00 -
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Originally by: HippoKing I'm going to assume that people banned incorrectly won't stay banned for long. Contrary to popular belief, CCP are not ebil goblins trying to find as many ways as possible to stop you giving them money.
Ahh, faith. That bright candle which training bitter and twisted throws into the stagnent pond and walks away, cackling.
To the op, posting with an alt here won't help your cause, raise it with CCP directly.
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Xelios
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: doyoulikemytightsweater so - its like certain big countries do it.
Just nuke any other countries that may or may not have terrorists. If you kill a few couples just going to their weddings..collateral.
You can always apologize later, right ¯
Not quite. But lets say a certain munitions plant is producing weapons grade plutonium and selling it to legitimate customers. One day this plant gets robbed by some very good terrorists, while some legit customers are picking up a shipment. A certain big country sees this happening, sends in the secret police and arrests everyone on the premesis and everyone caught leaving.
Does that make sense? Or should they not arrest anyone until they know exactly who the 'bad guys' are, thereby running the risk of losing the nuclear material? Obviously arresting everyone is the right course of action, it means some honest people get inconvenienced but it also ensures you catch all the bad guys in the process.
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Caleb Paine
Itchy Trigger Finger Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Caleb Paine on 20/07/2006 23:12:02 nm, me being dumb
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios Edited by: Xelios on 20/07/2006 23:00:47 Not only does CCP not look at the forums all that much, they really really don't like it when you make posts about banned accounts or exploits, both of which are in this thread.
Just file a petition and go from there. Like someone said they probably used a filter to show a list of all accounts that went into - isk today and simply banned each one that went into - through escrow. They can't tell from looking at a log if it was intentional or not, and convoing every person could take days. So they just once over'd the logs, banned everyone who got caught and now it's up to you to petition it and get yourself unbanned.
They have to be quick about these things since you essentially got items for free, if those items were then sold to other players it makes the situation very awkward on CCP's end. Best thing to do in a situation like this is to ban first and ask questions later. Freeze all the exploited isk/items before they disseminate into the rest of the player base and get much harder to fix.
/edit to say awkward is an awkward word to spell
thats my point here. I dont care about the ban bcs I know that i ll take them back. I am talking about how ccp react on that issue and what in my opinion they should have done to solve the issue. First check then ban, or at least let ppl prove that they are not exploiting.
I could easy prove that i am inocent if i could log in my account. But they dont let me
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Bordric
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: doyoulikemytightsweater so - its like certain big countries do it.
Just nuke any other countries that may or may not have terrorists. If you kill a few couples just going to their weddings..collateral.
You can always apologize later, right ¯
Umm no because they would be dead.
Hardly a good analogy.
Fact is we don't know. We are all just bored and this was something post about. We have no idea if your buddy was stealing or not. Obviously someone thought he was.
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Paine Edited by: Caleb Paine on 20/07/2006 23:04:26 if the PBC is worth 10 mil as you say and you went negative for (in your own words) billions that means you must have bought hundreds of BPC's... And someone would have had hundreds of those PBC for sale, all stacked, in one go. Because you could ONLY have made that mistake if you bought it in one sale...
Tell me; WHO sells a couple of hundred stacked BS PBO's, and WHO actually buys 100's PBO's in one go.
The chance that someone stacks up 100's of BS PBO's in one sale, combined with the chance that someone would actually BUY those 100 is well.. zero. And especially on this day too!
You exploited, good riddance.
Oh shut up you fool, go grab your rattle and then go suckle!
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Flashmurder
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:07:00 -
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Caleb Paine, you've got the wrong end of the stick, you misunderstood what he said, read the post again.
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Caleb Paine Edited by: Caleb Paine on 20/07/2006 23:07:03 if the PBC is worth 10 mil as you say and you went negative for (in your own words) billions that means you must have bought hundreds of BPC's... And someone would have had hundreds of those BPC for sale, all stacked, in one go. Because you could ONLY have made that mistake if you bought it in one sale...
Tell me; WHO sells a couple of hundred stacked BS PBC's, and WHO actually buys 100's PBC's in one go.
The chance that someone stacks up 100's of BS PBC's in one sale, combined with the chance that someone would actually BUY those 100 is well.. zero. And especially on this day too!
You exploited, good riddance.
Let me log in my damn account to prove it. But i cant atm.
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Spartanicus
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:09:00 -
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Wow that hit close to home Bayroo? Getting insulting and defensive.
What exactly did you people expect us all to do?
Hold hands and summon the account from Ban Oblivion?
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Caleb Paine
Itchy Trigger Finger Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: Caleb Paine on 20/07/2006 23:12:34 <-- that's me being dumb again
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:10:00 -
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He did not buy 100's. Read the post again!
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Xelios
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria
Originally by: Xelios Edited by: Xelios on 20/07/2006 23:00:47 Not only does CCP not look at the forums all that much, they really really don't like it when you make posts about banned accounts or exploits, both of which are in this thread.
Just file a petition and go from there. Like someone said they probably used a filter to show a list of all accounts that went into - isk today and simply banned each one that went into - through escrow. They can't tell from looking at a log if it was intentional or not, and convoing every person could take days. So they just once over'd the logs, banned everyone who got caught and now it's up to you to petition it and get yourself unbanned.
They have to be quick about these things since you essentially got items for free, if those items were then sold to other players it makes the situation very awkward on CCP's end. Best thing to do in a situation like this is to ban first and ask questions later. Freeze all the exploited isk/items before they disseminate into the rest of the player base and get much harder to fix.
/edit to say awkward is an awkward word to spell
thats my point here. I dont care about the ban bcs I know that i ll take them back. I am talking about how ccp react on that issue and what in my opinion they should have done to solve the issue. First check then ban, or at least let ppl prove that they are not exploiting.
I could easy prove that i am inocent if i could log in my account. But they dont let me
All depends on how many people exploited this bug. If it was only a handful they might be able to convo each one before hand and let them explain their actions. If it was close to a hundred or over the best thing to do is ban them all before the exploited isk/items are spread even further into the player base. If a player exploits escrow and gets a free BPO that can be fixed, if he sells that free BPO to a third honest player it can become very complicated. If he takes the money he's made and buys a whole wack of stuff from other honest players it turns into a huge problem, because that money was essentially duped.
Better to inconvenience a few honest people who just didn't know than to wait and risk a whole ton of duped isk entering the market. The only rollback we've ever had was due to an isk duping exploit that they failed to act on in time, I don't think they want to repeat that.
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Xelios Does that make sense? Or should they not arrest anyone until they know exactly who the 'bad guys' are, thereby running the risk of losing the nuclear material? Obviously arresting everyone is the right course of action, it means some honest people get inconvenienced but it also ensures you catch all the bad guys in the process.
Thing is, Xelios, you arrest them. You don't charge and sentence them. I'm saying that if an investigation is still underway, the message should be "Account is under investigation and is suspended", not "You are permabanned".
There's an unsubtle PR difference too.
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Caleb Paine
Itchy Trigger Finger Brothers
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:11:00 -
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Actually, I DID misread it... I read it as if he went into billions negative because of that one transaction.
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Datsun Achura
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alaria At first sorry about my bad english, not my native language and I am so mad I cannot even type correct.
Today I used the escrow system to buy a damn gedon bpc and miscalculated the amount needed and gone - in my damn wallet.
After i c that i am on - on my alts wallet, I instant wired money from my main to the alts wallet. I dont even thought, know that somthing like that could happen, I just bought to many things at once and i just miscalculated the amount needed and how much I had in my alts wallet.
The bpc was about 10m worth and I got billions for gods shake.
The server crashed or taked down or whatever, I dont even care anymore, and as I tried to login after the restart I got my 2 accs permabanned bcs of eula violation.
Nice way treeting paying customers ccp.
Does anyone else think this person is putting on the whole 'foreign' thing to invoke sympathy?
'I am foreign, I know not what it means or what I am doing, I am innocent'
Smells like BS.
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Xelios
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Originally by: Xelios Does that make sense? Or should they not arrest anyone until they know exactly who the 'bad guys' are, thereby running the risk of losing the nuclear material? Obviously arresting everyone is the right course of action, it means some honest people get inconvenienced but it also ensures you catch all the bad guys in the process.
Thing is, Xelios, you arrest them. You don't charge and sentence them. I'm saying that if an investigation is still underway, the message should be "Account is under investigation and is suspended", not "You are permabanned".
There's an unsubtle PR difference too.
Yeah the message should say that instead, still the right course of action IMO.
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Bayroo
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:16:00 -
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He went a few million in the RED, not billions, He has billions in his account from hard work, mining and npcing. He bought the bpc for a corp m8. Hardly scam of the year.
And anyways, lets look at it this way, if the bug wasnt there in the first place, it would have never happend. So when CCP mess up and we gain from it, do we all get banned??? He did not set out to scam his way through the day, the bug was present when he went and bought the item, how many of us have bought stuff and not typed in the correct amount, if the safe guard had been in place, it would have alerted the player to the fact that he didnt have the funds.
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:16:00 -
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Oh I'm not disagreing on the action.
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Baldour Ngarr
Artemis Rising
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Bayroo He went a few million in the RED, not billions, He has billions in his account from hard work, mining and npcing. He bought the bpc for a corp m8. Hardly scam of the year.
And anyways, lets look at it this way, if the bug wasnt there in the first place, it would have never happend. So when CCP mess up and we gain from it, do we all get banned???
Until they can sort out who was taking advantage deliberately and who was just caught up in it, then yes, we do, and we SHOULD. ________________________________________________
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Alaria
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Posted - 2006.07.20 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Datsun Achura
Originally by: Alaria At first sorry about my bad english, not my native language and I am so mad I cannot even type correct.
Today I used the escrow system to buy a damn gedon bpc and miscalculated the amount needed and gone - in my damn wallet.
After i c that i am on - on my alts wallet, I instant wired money from my main to the alts wallet. I dont even thought, know that somthing like that could happen, I just bought to many things at once and i just miscalculated the amount needed and how much I had in my alts wallet.
The bpc was about 10m worth and I got billions for gods shake.
The server crashed or taked down or whatever, I dont even care anymore, and as I tried to login after the restart I got my 2 accs permabanned bcs of eula violation.
Nice way treeting paying customers ccp.
Does anyone else think this person is putting on the whole 'foreign' thing to invoke sympathy?
'I am foreign, I know not what it means or what I am doing, I am innocent'
Smells like BS.
Where are YOU come from? I bet 1bil that 90% YOU are a foreign to ccp too.
The problem here is that I cannot log my accs bcs ccp did a mistake and letting ppl going - at their wallets.
If system worked normaly, you should get the damn msg, that u dont have enough isk etc etc. It didnt happened to you, to try to buy somthing and dont have the isk for it in the damn wallet?
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