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Robert Sawyer
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.20 12:45:00 -
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This thread is just to share a fit for the Caldari stealth bomber AKA Manticore. This fit is intended for solo Wormhole PvP Ops, and if used correctly, it will allow you to slip unseen through hostile territory and possibly gank some weak ships.
HIGH SLOTS:
'Domination' Torpedo Launcher x 3 Core Probe Launcher x1 Covert Ops Cloaking Device x1
MEDIUM SLOTS:
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Target Painter II x1
LOW SLOTS:
Ballistic Control System II x2
RIGS: Small Bay Loading Accelerator II x 1
AMMUNITION: Dread Guristas Scourge Torpedo
STATS: DPS: 601 (Volley: 4661) Shield HP: 602 Armor HP: 583 Structure HP: 423 Capacitor: Stable at 32.3% CPU: 391.2 / 410 tf (95.41%) Power Grid: 34.45 / 47.5 MW (72.71%)
Can reach over 650 DPS if you overheat the launchers!
Edit: If used properly, if you sneak up on a ratting battleship you can blow it to pieces!
FINANCIAL COSTS:
Ship value: 22.7 million ISK Fitting Value: 70.4 million ISK Total: 93.1 million ISK "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:04:00 -
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Really? Trust me, this is a MUCH better setup.
[Manticore, dabest11] Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
1MN Microwarpdrive II Small Hull Repairer II Small Shield Booster II Medium Shield Extender II
Light Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Light Missile Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S 280mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP S
Small Ancillary Current Router II Small Ancillary Current Router II
Price: Dignity |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
14
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:11:00 -
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i did kill one with coercer . either sb was made in china or pilot was drunk.
why no bomb launcher ? |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:29:00 -
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Amak Boma wrote:i did kill one with coercer . either sb was made in china or pilot was drunk.
why no bomb launcher ?
Because he thinks he won't be podded and so needs a way out in the form of a probe launcher instead of leaving as a data stream. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
645
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:39:00 -
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Borsek wrote:Amak Boma wrote:i did kill one with coercer . either sb was made in china or pilot was drunk.
why no bomb launcher ? Because he thinks he won't be podded and so needs a way out in the form of a probe launcher instead of leaving as a data stream.
It's funnier if you roll them in and keep them as pets :3 If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 13:57:00 -
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
646
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Posted - 2014.08.20 14:44:00 -
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I'll call him ma-ěka)) If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:08:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:I'll call him ma-ěka))
The love I have for you right now could collapse a 3b hole <3 |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
647
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:25:00 -
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Borsek wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:I'll call him ma-ěka)) The love I have for you right now could collapse a 3b hole <3
It's so similar to "macska" which is what I almost named my cat... Eastern European languages so similar If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:50:00 -
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I wonder if you can make out what Lowska psyca means, although I butchered that quite a lot. |
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
647
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Posted - 2014.08.20 15:52:00 -
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Borsek wrote:I wonder if you can make out what Lowska psyca means, although I butchered that quite a lot.
If it's Slovenian and is meant to have accents and **** then no :/ If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:05:00 -
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meant to be phonetic, kinda, translates into 'hunting *****' as in hunting female dog |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
34
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:10:00 -
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TIL we have dog-themed names in this corp. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
422
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:29:00 -
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Much better fit
- bonus dps from torp spec skill
- tank
- uses both rig slots
- can use t2 torps (rage are usually garbage tho)
Offline point to online probes
[Purifier, Solo]
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II
Medium Shield Extender II Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Warp Disruptor II
Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [OFFLINE]Core Probe Launcher II
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
648
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:34:00 -
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Borsek wrote:meant to be phonetic, kinda, translates into 'hunting *****' as in hunting female dog
I understood the last one (thanks Russians in Dota [cyka]), but not the first. I'm more familiar with kurva/kurba/***** If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
228
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:38:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Borsek wrote:meant to be phonetic, kinda, translates into 'hunting *****' as in hunting female dog I understood the last one (thanks Russians in Dota [cyka]), but not the first. I'm more familiar with kurva/kurba/*****
First one is lovska - hunting, stems from hunt - lov |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
648
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Posted - 2014.08.20 16:56:00 -
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Borsek wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Borsek wrote:meant to be phonetic, kinda, translates into 'hunting *****' as in hunting female dog I understood the last one (thanks Russians in Dota [cyka]), but not the first. I'm more familiar with kurva/kurba/***** First one is lovska - hunting, stems from hunt - lov
TIL Slovenian etymology If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:24:00 -
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EDIT: To make it clear, this fit is INTENDED ONLY FOR WH SPACE. If you want to go hunting in K-Space replace the Probe Launcher with a Bomb launcher. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:25:00 -
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Borsek wrote:Amak Boma wrote:i did kill one with coercer . either sb was made in china or pilot was drunk.
why no bomb launcher ? Because he thinks he won't be podded and so needs a way out in the form of a probe launcher instead of leaving as a data stream.
Good luck finding your way out of W-Space without a Probe Launcher, n00b "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
649
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Posted - 2014.08.20 19:50:00 -
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Thinking this fit is good is probably why you aren't in RvB anymore... If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1955
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:21:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Ships & Modules. ISD Ezwal Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope Gallente Federation
281
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:10:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:
Edit: If used properly, if you sneak up on a ratting battleship you can blow it to pieces!
You do realize Sleepers switch targets now right? Your tank won't survive belt rats, let alone Sleeper NPCs. I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses.............. |
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
26
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Posted - 2014.08.21 02:18:00 -
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If you use a solo Manticore against anything except industrials in a WH you're probably gonna have a bad time. Even then, I'm confident a Procurer would eat you alive these days. Attacking a rattling BS solo in that ship will net you nothing except a 93 mil loss mail - as previously stated the Sleepers will bum you. Retrievers, Mackinaws, Covetors, Hulks, Haulers and the good old Noctis nanoribbon loot pinata are really your only targets worth considering. All else is likely just death one way or another.
A really REALLY pimped out Purifier or Hound has a better shot of taking out something that can shoot back, but honestly the outlook is still bleak unless you're snaked. Chessur's blog had some pretty nifty fits a little while back but hells bells they were expensive for a flimsy frigate and you'll die to the first mistake that you make. I've used one of his Purifier fits in the past and had fun with it.
Honestly though, if you want to go solo WH hunting you're best off with a Proteus. I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots. |
Justin Zaine
Angels of Death.
44
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Posted - 2014.08.21 04:39:00 -
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Quote:HIGH SLOTS:
'Domination' Torpedo Launcher x 3 Core Probe Launcher x1 Covert Ops Cloaking Device x1
MEDIUM SLOTS:
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I x1 Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I x1 1MN Afterburner II x1 Target Painter II x1
LOW SLOTS:
Ballistic Control System II x2
RIGS: Small Bay Loading Accelerator II x 1
AMMUNITION: Dread Guristas Scourge Torpedo
Confirming this is a terribad fit that will result in a lot of ridicule and a painful loss mail.
Quote:EDIT: To make it clear, this fit is INTENDED ONLY FOR WH SPACE. If you want to go hunting in K-Space replace the Probe Launcher with a Bomb launcher.
You cannot just put together a **** fit and then try to convince us it's a "Niche" fit once it gets shot down, so stop trying :)
Quote:If you use a solo Manticore against anything except industrials in a WH you're probably gonna have a bad time. Even then, I'm confident a Procurer would eat you alive these days. Attacking a rattling BS solo in that ship will net you nothing except a 93 mil loss mail - as previously stated the Sleepers will bum you. Retrievers, Mackinaws, Covetors, Hulks, Haulers and the good old Noctis nanoribbon loot pinata are really your only targets worth considering. All else is likely just death one way or another.
A really REALLY pimped out Purifier or Hound has a better shot of taking out something that can shoot back, but honestly the outlook is still bleak unless you're snaked. Chessur's blog had some pretty nifty fits a little while back but hells bells they were expensive for a flimsy frigate and you'll die to the first mistake that you make. I've used one of his Purifier fits in the past and had fun with it.
Honestly though, if you want to go solo WH hunting you're best off with a Proteus.
This. 100 times this, though I will add that it is possible to solo more than just miners and haulers if you exercise due diligence. Noobs running sites in fail fits? It's possible. Though be wary of incoming backup and you'll probably have to GTFO if they drop drones.
It's been a while and I admit i've never flown a Manticore, but my old Purifier fit used to look something like this:
3x Arbalest Torp Launchers Probe Launcher Cloak
1MN MWD Warp Disruptor Cap Booster with navy cap charges
2x BCU 1x Co-Processor or a DCU
2x Torp Rigs for DPS
Though there are obvious fitting differences here between the Purifier and the Manticore, you can see that my fitting philosophy aims for speed. Drones and Missiles are the bane of any bomber pilot and your best shot at surviving either of them is having as much speed as possible to maintain transversal.
Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good.
Decloak up to 24 km off your target and point, fire up the MWD and settle into an 18-20 km orbit. Cycle the cap booster when you get low on cap to keep things running. You can carry enough boosters to last (IIRC) 4-5 minutes of continuous cycling, which should be enough time to kill damn near anything you'd ever dream of engaging in a solo bomber. If he's got light drones he'll still be able to apply dps but it will be significantly reduced due to your speed, which should be upwards of 2500 m/s. Chances are that if you're taking any kind of effective fire, you're gonna have to leave. The situation will dictate, just don't be too stubborn to leave if things aren't going exactly the way that you want them to. be careful not to blink one too many times or you'll find yourself sitting in your pod. This is a fit i've had success with in the past ganking miners, haulers and even failfit site runners. The only problem is that after every fight you gotta go back to HS for more booster charges.
At the end of the day, while "Solo" is entirely possible in a bomber, that doesn't mean it's going to be easy, efficient or practical. If you're seriously interested in doing the cloaky WH gank thing, train up for a Prot. I sing for nobody |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
98
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Posted - 2014.08.21 08:02:00 -
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Justin Zaine wrote: Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good.
Are you use Torp increase your Ships Sig? I though that the Torps had a larger Exp Radius but not a penalty to your own ship.
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Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:05:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Thinking this fit is good is probably why you aren't in RvB anymore...
I exited RvB so I can mine in peace, don't want my ship to get pew-pew'd by Blues. EDIT: Will rejoin shortly "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Chessur
Estel Arador Corp Services Estel Arador Capsuleer Services
364
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Posted - 2014.08.21 11:14:00 -
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Manticore is a great 4 mid bomber, your fit is kind of meh.
In my oppinion there is really only 2 ways to fit the manticore, if we are talking about solo bomber fun.
The first fit- is your standard Pure gank bomber, used against wounded targets / all Industrials.
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Warp Disruptor II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
RL-1003 Implant
With heat, you are looking at a 600+ DPS bomber that applies full damage to any industrial, or Cruiser.
Now the second fit- is a bit more niche. It is used when dealing with people who are warp stab happy. And while it can be more dangerous moving into scram range, you can net some nice kills- and deal with those pesky ventures.
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
RL-1003 Implant
Again, 600+ DPS when heated.
The last fit that you can choose, is not a solo fit at all- but is used simply as an EWAR platform while you are flying in groups.
[Manticore, New Setup 1] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
1MN Afterburner II Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron Phased Muon Sensor Disruptor I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II Core Probe Launcher II, Core Scanner Probe I
Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
RL-1003 Implant
Again, 600+ DPS from 60K with great application to anything cruiser and above. This fit, allows you to fit 2 EWAR slots with a defensive damp. The damp, will allow you to apply DPS from 50ish K with impunity, as most ships cannot target that far with a damp in their face. AB allows for cap stability and some additional damage mitigation. Last 2 mids can be placed with either TPs, TDs, Additional damps, or other mods to help assist in gang work.
Those 3 fits are basically all any manticore pilot really needs |
Horus H'kaan
Grand Theft Enyo
26
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Posted - 2014.08.21 16:34:00 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:Justin Zaine wrote: Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good.
Are you use Torp increase your Ships Sig? I though that the Torps had a larger Exp Radius but not a penalty to your own ship.
This would be news to me too. I've always used Meta 4 launchers simply for easier fitting. I'm in your mission, stealin' your loots. |
CrAzY AnNiE
Dark Nexxus S I L E N T.
9
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Posted - 2014.08.21 16:43:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Much better fit
- bonus dps from torp spec skill
- tank
- uses both rig slots
- can use t2 torps (rage are usually garbage tho)
- Rigor + navy torps + crash makes it viable to kill cruisers 1(this dude was afk but still applied good dps), 2(this dude was just bad)
Offline point to online probes [Purifier, Solo] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Co-Processor II Medium Shield Extender II Experimental 1MN Afterburner I Warp Disruptor II Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Torpedo Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Torpedo Covert Ops Cloaking Device II [OFFLINE]Core Probe Launcher II Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
That's pretty much the same fit I run on my alt.
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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
623
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:47:00 -
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Justin Zaine wrote:[
Why the Meta 4 launchers? As I mentioned it's been a long time, but IIRC it's a tight fit to get all of those mods on and you won't be able to fit everything if you try to use T2 launchers. T2 Torps increase your sig anyway, making you more vulnerable to getting hit. T2 torps bad. Meta 4 good. .
yeah no such penalty anymore, it was removed.. eh.. quite some time ago |
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