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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
305
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:44:00 -
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Brusanan wrote:Excellent decision guys. Where was this level of competence and transparency when you dealt with the Erotica 1 issue?
With Somer gone and Blink dead I wouldn't be surprised if some of the people left in charge run off with the ISK.
Well that or they make up a new casino and keep in cashing the cows. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
12
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:44:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:So Falcon go and dismantle the games community they are in violation of the EULA, you said it yourself you want the rules to be fair and enforced so put your money where your mouth is! Just one problem: they are not in violation of the EULA and the rules are being applied and enforced fairly.
Are you brain damaged?
EULA YOU CANNOT HAVE A TOON OR PLAY EVE IF YOUR PART OF A BUSINESS! WTF do you think killboards siggy TMC etc are? |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:44:00 -
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Clark Ostus wrote:as far as I can read CCP have not said anywhere the emails are fake/forged, just released without permission, which tends to make me believe somer actually had permission from someone somewhere in CCP. Yes, we already established they had permission from someone (or, to be precise, the VP of Sales) to run a particular promotion. They then ran a different promotion. They got then banned for various reasons, most or all of which are listed in the OP. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11051
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:46:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:EULA YOU CANNOT HAVE A TOON OR PLAY EVE IF YOUR PART OF A BUSINESS!
i didn't know the EULA prohibited 90% of people with employment from playing eve Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Kali Izia
GoomWaffe Goonswarm Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:47:00 -
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dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner? Yes they do pay their EVE writers in ISK. This falls in line with CCP's policy pertaining to paying in-game ISK for EVE content such as art, signatures, videos etc. The policy doesn't allow for writers to be paid for non-EVE related work such as writing an article on The Witcher 3 or Elite Dangerous TMC is not a eve only website, and according to the chat logs "leaked" on reddit eve players play other games which makes it possible to find write for non eve content within the eve community. TMC is no a community site, it's a professional gaming site, with the twist it pays the writers in isk. We are not talk about non profit work, the owner is clear paying people isk to write articles, to make money of ads... It might not be as direct RMT as what somer was doing, but on the end it's RMT. TMC was investigated after the last Somer incident. CCP asked them to make changes so they only pay ISK for EVE content, which is allowed per the rules. Ads on EVE related websites are also allowed, just like adsense is allowed on youtube videos/streams/etc.
Though if you have evidence that they're involved in RMT, please do send it to CCP. |
Sion Kumitomo
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
84
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:47:00 -
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To those of you who keep insisted that "this should have been handled quietly," I'm not sure what you expect. Had Somer himself handled this with professionalism instead of being deliberately deceitful and then going dramatically public with confidential exchanges, I have no doubt that CCP would have respected that and handled it quietly with all due respect.
If you're suggesting that CCP should have allowed Somer to do long term damage to CCP's reputation out of consideration for his feelings, you might, just possibly, be missing the broader context here.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11246
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:47:00 -
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dexington wrote:TMC is not a eve only website, and according to the chat logs "leaked" on reddit eve players play other games which makes it possible to find write for non eve content within the eve community. TMC is no a community site, it's a professional gaming site, with the twist it pays the writers in isk. Only the EVE writers are paid in ISK.
dexington wrote:We are not talk about non profit work, the owner is clearly paying people isk to write articles Which is allowed, as has been stated several times by devs.
dexington wrote:to make money of ads... Which is allowed.
dexington wrote:It might not be as direct RMT as what somer was doing, but in the end it's RMT. No it isn't. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:48:00 -
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Lae Allier wrote:well I have just read through the whole posts for the past 2 days, I am still waiting to see proof of RMT'ing when you look at the facts it covers the same issues, if you make real money from EVE in whatever form you are breaking thier rules and should be punished.
once again read the rules
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. If you actually believe that somebody is violating the EULA, send an email to [email protected] Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Hitman 001
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
6
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:48:00 -
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at least you gave em free expensive scorpion worthless hulls for doing a so god job right. :=) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23980
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:48:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Are you brain damaged? Do you have an actual argument rather than abuse?
Quote:YOU CANNOT HAVE A TOON OR PLAY EVE IF YOUR PART OF A BUSINESS! WTF do you think killboards siggy TMC etc are? This is incorrect.
Killboards, signature creations, and TMC are EVE-related services, which are the only things allowed to use ISK as a payment method for contributors. Like Somer, they are not allowed to pay ISK in exchange for cash (or vice versa), but unlike Somer they made sure to abide by that rule. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Ahshalon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:49:00 -
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ok the torch and pitchfork holders have gotten erotica1 and somer. now.. who is next.... *points at markee dragon* "OMG LOOK THE DEVIL!!!!"
*facepalms so hard it can be heard across the universe*
get over yourselves people. it's a game, it's supposed to be fun, if you don't enjoy it, don't do it. but don't kill other peoples fun. it seems some are just dead set on ruining the game for those who actually enjoy the meta. and i fear we have just given cause for more and more whiners to kill more and more out of game stuff.... I'm sure i will write a song about it, just give me a few days.
*throws hands in the air and walks around in a circle and sits back down cuz... has no where to go* |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:50:00 -
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Enaris Kerle wrote:Clark Ostus wrote:as far as I can read CCP have not said anywhere the emails are fake/forged, just released without permission, which tends to make me believe somer actually had permission from someone somewhere in CCP. Yes, we already established they had permission from someone (or, to be precise, the VP of Sales) to run a particular promotion. They then ran a different promotion. They got then banned for various reasons, most or all of which are listed in the OP.
Enaris lets be real. Did she break the EULA for posting the emails and such? Yes. Are they really banning her for that? No lets not be delusional they went on a RMT witch hunt and pick a excuse to take her down. I know it and you know it and everyone who isn't on the CSM/CCP junk or goons **** knows it to. And if it was a legit RMT which it wasn't than their should be consequences internally at CCP for this mess. Not to mention if we want to be fair and enforce the eula equally than the other eve businesses need the bane hammer too. |
111010110
The Darwin Initiative
20
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:50:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Tippia wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:So Falcon go and dismantle the games community they are in violation of the EULA, you said it yourself you want the rules to be fair and enforced so put your money where your mouth is! Just one problem: they are not in violation of the EULA and the rules are being applied and enforced fairly. Are you brain damaged? EULA YOU CANNOT HAVE A TOON OR PLAY EVE IF YOUR PART OF A BUSINESS! WTF do you think killboards siggy TMC etc are?
No, accounts are restricted to individual and personal use. That's something different, it may seem a subtle difference, but it does have meaning.
CCP has no business type accounts. Just personal ones. And those cannot do anything other than what is allowed as per relevant agreements.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20259
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:51:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Tippia wrote:Brahan Seer wrote:So Falcon go and dismantle the games community they are in violation of the EULA, you said it yourself you want the rules to be fair and enforced so put your money where your mouth is! Just one problem: they are not in violation of the EULA and the rules are being applied and enforced fairly. Are you brain damaged? EULA YOU CANNOT HAVE A TOON OR PLAY EVE IF YOUR PART OF A BUSINESS! WTF do you think killboards siggy TMC etc are? So report them to CCP for breach of the EULA. Put up or shut up.
Whether CCP agree with you or not is a completely different matter.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Hendrick Tallardar
SniggWaffe WAFFLES.
194
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:51:00 -
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dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner? Yes they do pay their EVE writers in ISK. This falls in line with CCP's policy pertaining to paying in-game ISK for EVE content such as art, signatures, videos etc. The policy doesn't allow for writers to be paid for non-EVE related work such as writing an article on The Witcher 3 or Elite Dangerous TMC is not a eve only website, and according to the chat logs "leaked" on reddit eve players play other games which makes it possible to find write for non eve content within the eve community. TMC is no a community site, it's a professional gaming site, with the twist it pays the writers in isk. We are not talk about non profit work, the owner is clearly paying people isk to write articles, to make money of ads... It might not be as direct RMT as what somer was doing, but in the end it's RMT.
As a former writer for TheMittani.com (I'm UbaStij in the leaked logs) you're incorrect. After the SomerBlink incident last year, CCP spoke to sites like TMC etc. and stated the guidelines and rules they were to abide by. This also was done for sites like EVE-Bet.com and others. These have been followed out and thus far there is no indication the policies were violated.
Yes, TMC writes about other non-EVE games but contributors aren't paid EVE ISK for that work. The EVE articles and non-EVE articles are, by CCP's Policy and other guidelines set up outside of CCP, separated in how they're compensated for due to the stated reasons. Contrary to popular belief, TMC doesn't make all that much money beyond covering server costs and other overhead expenses. If you were to say, and provide evidence, of TMC paying their writers EVE ISK in-game for writing about non-EVE content you would be correct in saying they are breaking the policy CCP enforces upon them. Until then, it's speculation and hearsay plain and simple. As I previously stated, the fact TMC runs ads on its site is no different than me running ads on my YouTube channel which features EVE video content. Both are permitted per CCP and aren't deemed as RMT schemes etc. Again, if you feel this is a violation of CCP's EULA/TOS with the user, contact CCP's support or ask CCP Falcon/CCP Manifest to comment on it publicly to put your concerns to rest. LeeSsang. Never Forget. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:52:00 -
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Sion Kumitomo wrote:To those of you who keep insisted that "this should have been handled quietly," I'm not sure what you expect. Had Somer himself handled this with professionalism instead of being deliberately deceitful and then going dramatically public with confidential exchanges, I have no doubt that CCP would have respected that and handled it quietly with all due respect.
If you're suggesting that CCP should have allowed Somer to do long term damage to CCP's reputation out of consideration for his feelings, you might, just possibly, be missing the broader context here.
What damage you CCP **** sucking tool? Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. What damage did Somer do to the business or the game? NOTHING and even falcon hints Somer WASNT banned for RMT so get your head out of CCP's and your own ass |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
396
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:52:00 -
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You've made the right call in the interests of consistency and fair play, well done CCP! |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11246
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:53:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:And if it was a legit RMT which it wasn't Which it was.
Brahan Seer wrote:than their should be consequences internally at CCP for this mess. There might be. We'll never know, nor should we.
Brahan Seer wrote:Not to mention if we want to be fair and enforce the eula equally than the other eve businesses need the bane hammer too. What other EVE businesses? Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Doris Dents
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
396
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:53:00 -
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You've made the right call in the interests of consistency and fair play, well done CCP! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23980
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:53:00 -
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Ahshalon wrote:ok the torch and pitchfork holders have gotten erotica1 and somer. Not really, no. Erotica may have been an edge case, especially since none of the people actually involved thought anything bad had been done, but Somer is not a victim of torches and ptchforks GÇö he's a victim of not being able to stay away from RMT.
Brahan Seer wrote:Enaris lets be real. Did she break the EULA for posting the emails and such? Yes. Are they really banning her for that? Yes, that and a couple of other things.
Quote:And if it was a legit RMT which it wasn't That's mainly because no RMT is ever legit GÇö the whole point of RMT is that it is illegitimate, after all. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
149
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:54:00 -
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dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner?
And not only is the paying of isk something that CCP explicitly allows for EVE-related services, but at no point is real-world cash being exchanged for in-game goods or services. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
15741
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:57:00 -
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Lae Allier
Disturbed Creations Northern Associates.
1
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:58:00 -
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Just to clarify my point - The other websites that run at the moment recieve Real money from traffic that is generated from EVE in turn the owner gets paid $ he then buys someone a plex for real money becuase of a player.
So :-
1. Player generates traffic to a site in which the owner gets money. 2. Then some of that money is turned into PLEX - Owner must have an account to purchase as well as keeping extra money. 3. Player recieves PLEX
Thats in direct Violation of EULA - The owner is running the website as a buisness |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23981
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:58:00 -
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Lae Allier wrote:Thats in direct Violation of EULA - The owner is running the website as a buisness That is not a direct violation of the EULA, no. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 20:59:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:dexington wrote:Hendrick Tallardar wrote:Except that in the case of Zkillboard, Dotlan, CZ, TMC etc. there is no in-game reward for using their referral links. They aren't providing any incentive other than "help us keep this running and that's all we ask." Is TMC not paying people isk to write articles for the sites, which in return gives ad revenue to the owner? And not only is the paying of isk something that CCP explicitly allows for EVE-related services, but at no point is real-world cash being exchanged for in-game goods or services.
Even if thats okay the EULA clearly states you cant have a character or play eve for business purposes. That can't get any clearer which makes all those groups guilty of breaking the EULA. Do you not agree with that premise? (not advocating it but am I wrong)? |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11247
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:00:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:What damage you CCP **** sucking tool? Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. What makes you think CCP would tolerate a group that causes "MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level"?
Brahan Seer wrote:But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. Many members of ours have, on many occasions. I can't think of a single one that wasn't punished accordingly.
Brahan Seer wrote:What damage did Somer do to the business or the game? NOTHING Can you prove that? Do you have CCP's data on the New Eden economy, PLEX sales, and Somer's activities, and the expertise to analyze Somer's impact on CCP's business or the game? No. CCP does.
Brahan Seer wrote:and even falcon hints Somer WASNT banned for RMT so get your head out of CCP's and your own ass No he didn't. He simply refused to comment on it. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
23981
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:00:00 -
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Brahan Seer wrote:Even if thats okay the EULA clearly states you cant have a character or play eve for business purposes. GǪand none of the sites in question are doing that. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Brahan Seer
EVE Protection Agency Bloodline.
13
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Lae Allier wrote:Thats in direct Violation of EULA - The owner is running the website as a buisness That is not a direct violation of the EULA, no.
Oh so Somers supposed RMT loophole wasn't kosher but that is? Like come on!! |
Enaris Kerle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:01:00 -
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Ahshalon wrote:ok the torch and pitchfork holders have gotten erotica1 and somer. now.. who is next.... *points at markee dragon* "OMG LOOK THE DEVIL!!!!" i hope it's you so i don't have to read your drivel anymore
Brahan Seer wrote:And if it was a legit RMT which it wasn't Yes, of course it wasn't legit RMT. RMT can't be legit. Outside of buying GTCs from authorized resellers, you can't have IRL money change hands in exchange for ingame services. Ever. But Somer directly combined "pay me IRL money (via this affiliate link) and I'll give you ISK in return". That's cut-and-dry RMT, and I wasn't aware until now that disallowing RMT was a point of contention within the player base.
Brahan Seer wrote:What damage you CCP **** sucking tool? Goonswarm has cause MASSIVE damage to this game on a community level and business level. But you haven't broken ToS so its okay. What damage did Somer do to the business or the game? NOTHING and even falcon hints Somer WASNT banned for RMT so get your head out of CCP's and your own ass you may want to take a nap, you're melting down. Gallente born and raised, and tutored as a pleasure slave and courtesan to the exotic tastes of the Amarri court. Jade's career veered violently off course when a diplomatic envoy's transport was blown to pieces in mysterious circumstances and she was rescued from the escape pods by the enigmatic genetic mastermind Athule Snanm. |
Ahshalon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.08.20 21:02:00 -
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while i get the point many of you are making, please please please don't get any more sites shut down just to prove a point. while i agree that blink was nifty, and am sad to see it go, don't make the mess bigger, don't use it as an excuse to go after more stuff. for the love of 10isk please just stop. plus the rmt wasn't even why the banhammer was summoned, it was for posting private emails without written consent. which is a GINORMOUS no no.
still the proper counter to pitchforks and torches in NOT more pitchforks and torches. |
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