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Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 01:13:00 -
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Having done quite a bit of preliminary homework, it appears I'm going to be able to take the next few months to develop a site revolving around player corporations in Eve.
I've noticed that many people market Eve-related interests, but not all products adhere to guidelines.
I'm looking for clarification on the following things:
--Offering Paid Services to Eve Players
Firstly, I'm hoping to host player corps under specially created subdomains. Depending on plan, they may pay a monthly fee.
Is this acceptable to CCP's guidelines? I've noticed some services such as this exist, but I do not assume they are in the clear.
Of course I have no intention of selling in-game things themselves, but I am only offering hosting that involves API use.
--Eve Related Artwork
As an illustrator by trade I can fully appreciate the value of CCP's artwork, and the need to protect it. Yet I see provisions are made to allow use of the artwork. The only official verbage I can find on this refers to non-commercial use which requires attribution. Yet I can't see if its forbidden on commercial sites.
My project will be strictly Eve related, and the artwork, avatars, and related visuals are practically a standard for such a thing.
--These Are Important Questions
Many companies (especially social networks) allow use of their branding so long as it suits the interest of the company, and usually this is not heavily policed unless an exploit against their interests is carried out. For instance, many paid Twitter services exist which obviously profit the app developer, but by extension greatly works to Twitter's better interests.
I was rather hoping to get clear guidelines on a project such as this because it will not only benefit CCP, but also developers such as myself who simply need a green light and clear guidelines.
I think if there was a detailed standardization document on the use of CCP's materials in this regard, it would greatly benefit developers as most serious developers wish to operate within terms (ie, are not isk farmers )
Thanks guys - any direction or official word would be greatly appreciated. |
Derrick Miles
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Posted - 2014.08.22 02:58:00 -
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Any paid fee using real world currency would be strictly forbidden. You can, however, offer these services for isk as web development and hosting is explicitly stated as being exempt from the rules regarding RMT. As for the artwork, so long as you are making an Eve-related fansite you are allowed to use any Eve material on that site provided you do not redistribute it for re-sale.
Please note that this is my interpretation of the rules I've gained from my own research, so to be absolutely sure I'd highly suggest filing a support ticket or waiting for CCP FoxFour to answer any of your questions officially. |
Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:02:00 -
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Let me just re-emphasize a fact you've stated:
Web hosting fees are exempt from this?
I'll most likely submit another ticket - where would I do that? The last time I did a year I never got a reply. |
Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:04:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote: Please note that this is my interpretation of the rules I've gained from my own research, so to be absolutely sure I'd highly suggest filing a support ticket or waiting for CCP FoxFour to answer any of your questions officially.
Noted! I hope this thread helps clear up this question - I'm surprised with this game's age I'm not finding more answers in my search. |
Derrick Miles
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:12:00 -
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Sentipede wrote:Let me just re-emphasize a fact you've stated:
Web hosting fees are exempt from this?
I'll most likely submit another ticket - where would I do that? The last time I did a year I never got a reply. Yes, you can sell web hosting for isk (note that it's only isk and not real-world currency) such as this service. You can file a support ticket here and I'd definitely recommend logging in first for the fastest response time. |
Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 03:24:00 -
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Web hosting for ISK? I guess I'd have to be more of a gamer to benefit from that.
I've submitted a ticket so we'll see what becomes of it.
Thanks for the help so far! Maybe a CCP FoxFour might hop in to verify. |
Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 04:55:00 -
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By way of example - here is a company that hosts gaming clans/guilds/corps
guildlaunch.com/
And here is an eve corp:
http://foreversend.guildlaunch.com/
This seems to be a legitimate company offering specialized services to Eve players. I guess the question is, what makes this possible?
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Quesa
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.08.22 07:33:00 -
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Sentipede wrote:By way of example - here is a company that hosts gaming clans/guilds/corps guildlaunch.com/And here is an eve corp: http://foreversend.guildlaunch.com/This seems to be a legitimate company offering specialized services to Eve players. I guess the question is, what makes this possible? You cannot charge real world monies for any information derived from a paid account. That is, you can't create a service that consumes eve-api data and charge real world monies for access. Sure, you can do basic things like, charge real world money to host corp/alliance forums or voip but once you cross over into consuming and offering tools using data from a paid account, that's a no go. |
Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 07:44:00 -
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Quesa wrote:Sentipede wrote:By way of example - here is a company that hosts gaming clans/guilds/corps guildlaunch.com/And here is an eve corp: http://foreversend.guildlaunch.com/This seems to be a legitimate company offering specialized services to Eve players. I guess the question is, what makes this possible? You cannot charge real world monies for any information derived from a paid account. That is, you can't create a service that consumes eve-api data and charge real world monies for access. Sure, you can do basic things like, charge real world money to host corp/alliance forums or voip but once you cross over into consuming and offering tools using data from a paid account, that's a no go.
These points are very helpful. If there are any other insights people can share on this subject I'd love to hear them. |
Sentipede
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:13:00 -
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Quesa wrote:[quote=Sentipede] It's curious that you stated there wasn't much information regarding this topic as there is a thread stickied in this very sub-forum labeled, "Third Party Developers License" at https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=347643&find=unread. Under which, if my horrid understanding of legal mumbo-jumbo, the answer to what you are getting at is, "Developer may not charge any fee in exchange for a PlayerGÇÖs access to or use of the Application, or otherwise monetize or generate any revenue from the Application", where 'Application' is defined as, "application software designed by Developer to provide functionality for or in conjunction with EVE via CREST or any other CCP tool" where 'CCP Tool' is defined as , "(a) CREST; (b) the Single Sign-On function for EVE, (c) any other programs, applications, interfaces, or other functionality that CCP provides to Developer in support of the Purpose; and (d) any documentation for the foregoing tools" and 'Purpose' is defined as, "hosting of an Application that uses the CCP Tools to access and modify the Game Data ". In essence, if you connect to Eve Online for data or tool provided to the developer that originates from CCP, you cannot charge real monies. Pretty sure I got most of that right.
I've just reviewed that thread and I'm getting the same thing.
It appears as long as anything involving the EVE API is free and public it is in the clear. Likewise any paid services related to EVE are in the clear as long as they don't interface with EVE.
It would appear that as long as hosting and VOIP are perfectly separate from features involving the API, a developer is in the clear.
I'll keep checking back on this thread to see if anything else must be considered.
I'm hoping that in the larger scheme of things my poking around on this subject might help others with the same questions :D |
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