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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:08:00 -
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Anal Canal wrote:MOISTENED!
Support ticket created, you just crossed the line. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11296
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:10:00 -
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Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Foodpimp
xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities
174
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:12:00 -
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ya'll are kind of bad at this. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4237
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:12:00 -
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WoW GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:13:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:It's a Straw Man because I never claimed to be offended, yet by "injecting" that into our discussion, he now seeks to discredit me by implying via my "feeling offended" that I don't agree with "behaving like a decent human being." You're advocating the use of slurs, so it would certainly appear that you don't.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I "advocate the use of slurs," that's another straw man from you, and a personal attack. You have slandered me.
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:In any event, I truly am sorry if my "reality adjustment" offended anyone. I'm even more sorry if yhou can actually BE offended by reality. It's a pretty big error to assume that those who find words offensive need a "reality adjustment".[/quote]
They need a reality adjustment if they think they have a right to silence those who offend then, even if tthose people ARE douchebags.
Quote: What you're maybe not getting is that people have had more of a dose of reality than you, and don't need to be constantly reminded of such things.
You don't know anything about me or what I have or haven't endured in my life.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4237
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:15:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Overdramatic shitposting
Stop being dramatic, and go have a bacon and cheese toasted sandwich with some aioli on it. Trust me, it works wonders for the mood. Wash it down with a beer for an extra chill-out effect. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Foodpimp
xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities
174
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:16:00 -
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"You don't know anything about me or what I have or haven't endured in my life."
Christ? Seriously?
OK...MOD's can lock this up now. The downtime has made these people emotional wrecks. |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
47
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:16:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Anal Canal wrote:MOISTENED! Support ticket created, you just crossed the line.
I think you would have won if it was a 2 word contest by using 'support ticket' The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7246
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:17:00 -
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Defenestration ~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
47
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:17:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:It's a Straw Man because I never claimed to be offended, yet by "injecting" that into our discussion, he now seeks to discredit me by implying via my "feeling offended" that I don't agree with "behaving like a decent human being." You're advocating the use of slurs, so it would certainly appear that you don't. Nowhere in any of my posts did I "advocate the use of slurs," that's another straw man from you, and a personal attack. You have slandered me. Ssabat Thraxx wrote:In any event, I truly am sorry if my "reality adjustment" offended anyone. I'm even more sorry if yhou can actually BE offended by reality. It's a pretty big error to assume that those who find words offensive need a "reality adjustment".
They need a reality adjustment if they think they have a right to silence those who offend then, even if tthose people ARE douchebags.
Quote: What you're maybe not getting is that people have had more of a dose of reality than you, and don't need to be constantly reminded of such things.
You don't know anything about me or what I have or haven't endured in my life.
[/quote] You cheeky bastard!
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11299
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:18:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Nowhere in any of my posts did I "advocate the use of slurs," that's another straw man from you, and a personal attack. You have slandered me. I'm seeing a lot more defense of their behavior from you than condemnation.
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:They need a reality adjustment if they think they have a right to silence those who offend then, even if tthose people ARE douchebags. Nobody is trying to silence anyone.
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:You don't know anything about me or what I have or haven't endured in my life. Why is this your defense? This is exactly the point I'm trying to make to you, is that you don't know what kind of effect such words may have on a person and you shouldn't presume that they're not harmful to someone just because they're not harmful to you. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:19:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people.
Oh. Thought I saw a post containing profanity somewhere and the poster saying they would only change it if the threads OP edited his post.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
1300
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:19:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Sibyyl wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:You know who else didn't think one should be able to speak his or her mind? ****** And it's interesting how hatespeech is treated in that country now, don't you think? Indeed it is "interesting." There's no freedom of speech there. I have to say, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Yep. Germany in 2014 is the same as 1940s Germany. Do you see where your analogies run into a wall, or did you want more examples? Of course it's a bit of an exaggeration, but regarding the topic of free speech, the only difference is now you get a prison sentence rather than a bullet in the head. Laws against free speech? Check. Prison terms for political dissidents? Check. (see Ernst Zundel) I could probably come up with more, but I think the point is made. In my heartfelt opinion, imprisoning people because of the words they say is tyrannical. There used to be a saying here in America: "I abhor what you have to say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it." THAT is liberty, THAT is how decent, freedom-loving people think. NOT "lets create some protected classes of people, and punish anyone who says anything that offends the special people." That doesnt make YOU free if you're one of the protected classes, that just means the bully in the schoolyard happens to like you. We for a badass over here! Neo ***** and ***** should be locked away and not given a plattform to spread their opinions in a democratic country. TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11299
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:21:00 -
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Remember the discussions we had when Fon Revedhort was running for CSM? Yeah, fun times. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Nowhere in any of my posts did I "advocate the use of slurs," that's another straw man from you, and a personal attack. You have slandered me. I'm seeing a lot more defense of their behavior from you than condemnation.
I haven't defended his behavior, I have defended his right to be a douchebag, and decried anyone's perceived "right" to not be offended.
Quote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:They need a reality adjustment if they think they have a right to silence those who offend then, even if tthose people ARE douchebags. Nobody is trying to silence anyone.
But it's ok to use out and out profanity and state that you wont remove it unless the person who offended you changes their post. I'm not seeing the difference.
Quote:Why is this your defense?
It's not a defense, it's a statement of fact, correcting your stated assumption that "some people have endured more reality than I have. Stop with the logical fallacies. Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11299
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:23:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people. Oh. Thought I saw a post containing profanity somewhere and the poster saying they would only change it if the threads OP edited his post. Profanity generally isn't used as a directed attack on someone's personhood. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7246
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:23:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people. Oh. Thought I saw a post containing profanity somewhere and the poster saying they would only change it if the threads OP edited his post. I see what you're doing. I see it.
I'm eating some baby carrots right now and I'll be happy to share them with you.
But getting pulled into this discussion in happythread isn't going to happen. You know where my email is if you're really jonesing for a wall of text. There are many who can attest to my ability to deliver close to the 10,000 character limit on seemingly trivial and meaningless email debates. ~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remember the discussions we had when Fon Revedhort was running for CSM? Yeah, fun times.
So now youre trying to sneak in an implication that I'm a neo-**** as a personal attack because you have nothing but logical fallacies to spout. Incidentally, that one is called an ad hominem attack. Should I link the Handbook of Logical Fallacies for you?
You win, right!
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4239
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:25:00 -
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On the subject of free speech...
You can say whatever you want to say. That's your right. It is also the right of those that hear what you say to criticise your speech, because they have free speech as well. So if you say something dickish, then you can bet your bottom dollar that someone is going to criticise you for it, because they have a right to. (The one that I'll respond to personally is when people call other people "autistic" because they do something bad - all it does is perpetuate negative connotations about autism and it makes you a complete **** if you do it).
If you want to cry "BUT FREE SPEECH!!" after someone has criticised what you've said, just remember, you've already said it. You've had your ******* free speech, and now it's someone else's turn to have theirs as well. If you support free speech, then you won't be a **** and try to deny the free speech of those that would criticise what you choose to do with it.
Freedom, in a society where we all depend on one another whether we realise it or not, comes with responsibility, especially social responsibility. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:26:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people. Oh. Thought I saw a post containing profanity somewhere and the poster saying they would only change it if the threads OP edited his post. Profanity generally isn't used as a directed attack on someone's personhood.
What if profanity offends me?
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11302
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:28:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:I haven't defended his behavior, I have defended his right to be a douchebag, and decried anyone's perceived "right" to not be offended. I apologize then for mischaracterizing you. Still, nobody has said that he doesn't have the right to be a douchebag, merely that he shouldn't be a douchebag.
There are lots of things you have the right to do and yet sometimes people need to be reminded not to do them because they're still ****** things to do.
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:But it's ok to use out and out profanity and state that you wont remove it unless the person who offended you changes their post. I'm not seeing the difference. I don't see how that's alike censorship at all. If you're arguing that I have a right to use slur words, then for the sake of consistency you should be arguing that I have a right to use profanity in opposition.
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:It's not a defense, it's a statement of fact, correcting your stated assumption that "some people have endured more reality than I have. Stop with the logical fallacies. Maybe they have though. You don't know that.
Ssabat Thraxx wrote:What if profanity offends me? You can complain about that too, but you'll have a harder time demonstrating emotional harm from profanity than from slurs. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7248
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:28:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote: What if profanity offends me?
Devil's advocate spotted. ~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Foodpimp
xHELLonEARTHx Against ALL Authorities
174
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:29:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remember the discussions we had when Fon Revedhort was running for CSM? Yeah, fun times. So now youre trying to sneak in an implication that I'm a neo-**** as a personal attack because you have nothing but logical fallacies to spout. Incidentally, that one is called an ad hominem attack. Should I link the Handbook of Logical Fallacies for you? You win, right!
You do realize that saying "logical fallacy" on the internet is just about the douchiest, e-hippster thing you can do...right? All you're missing are a few sprinklings of "false flag" and "oligarcy", and you'll have achieved full on derp status. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4241
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:29:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people. Oh. Thought I saw a post containing profanity somewhere and the poster saying they would only change it if the threads OP edited his post. Profanity generally isn't used as a directed attack on someone's personhood. What if profanity offends me?
In a society of free speech, you do not have the right to not be offended, by virtue of such a right restricting free speech. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:30:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:On the subject of free speech...
You can say whatever you want to say. That's your right. It is also the right of those that hear what you say to criticise your speech, because they have free speech as well. So if you say something dickish, then you can bet your bottom dollar that someone is going to criticise you for it, because they have a right to. (The one that I'll respond to personally is when people call other people "autistic" because they do something bad - all it does is perpetuate negative connotations about autism and it makes you a complete **** if you do it).
I agree 100% +1
Quote:If you want to cry "BUT FREE SPEECH!!" after someone has criticised what you've said, just remember, you've already said it. You've had your ******* free speech, and now it's someone else's turn to have theirs as well. If you support free speech, then you won't be a **** and try to deny the free speech of those that would criticise what you choose to do with it.
I dont try to deny the free speech of those who wanna call a douchebag a douchebag, for that matter, I think you have the right to call anyone a douchebag, even a "nice person." But where I see a line drawn is where one of the posters implied approval of "hate criime" laws like they have in Germany, where exercising one's birthright of the freedom to speak ones mind can result in imprisonment. In this day and age! Now THAT is where even I get offended.
Quote:Freedom, in a society where we all depend on one another whether we realise it or not, comes with responsibility, especially social responsibility.
You were born free. You were not born with the "original sin" of signing some illusory "social contract."
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11302
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:31:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Remember the discussions we had when Fon Revedhort was running for CSM? Yeah, fun times. So now youre trying to sneak in an implication that I'm a neo-**** as a personal attack because you have nothing but logical fallacies to spout. Incidentally, that one is called an ad hominem attack. Should I link the Handbook of Logical Fallacies for you? You win, right! I'm not alleging that you're a Fon Revedhort. I'm suggesting that this discussion reminds me of the discussions surrounding his views and speech. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
332
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:31:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat Thraxx wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ssabat stop trying to turn this into a discussion on freedom of speech. It was never about that. Nobody is saying you're not free to walk about spouting ****** this and ****** that. We're just pointing out that your speech, like it or not, can have an emotionally deleterious effect on people. Oh. Thought I saw a post containing profanity somewhere and the poster saying they would only change it if the threads OP edited his post. Profanity generally isn't used as a directed attack on someone's personhood. What if profanity offends me? In a society of free speech, you do not have the right to not be offended, by virtue of such a right restricting free speech.
EXACTLY
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7248
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:33:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:
In a society of free speech, you do not have the right to not be offended, by virtue of such a right restricting free speech.
EXACTLY Exactly what I said. Did you miss it? ~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4241
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:33:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:
EXACTLY
That being said, remember the spiel I posted earlier?
If someone finds something you've said offensive, they've got as much right to be offensive right on back at ya. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9015
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Posted - 2014.08.22 08:33:00 -
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If "take it to PMs" was ever appropriate, it's here.
You're both being idiots.
On the one hand, don't swear and rant like that guy did on forums, it's liable to get your thread locked, and it's pointless besides.
On the other hand, no single individual's "personhood" should be so wrapped up in one single characteristic that their life falls apart hearing anything against it.
Everyone can swear. Unless there's children around, no one should care. If any adult is genuinely so fragile that they can't shrug off an unkind word, then they sincerely belong in a mental institution.
Now both of you shut the hell up. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
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