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zat evad
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:50:00 -
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2 years ago I gave up on low sec space cause of the hassle from player pirates and the cost / benefit ratio was lousy. Today I decided to go to a nice little 0.4 to do some ratting for a change. Took a Raven kitted out with tech 2 cruise and full set of tech 2 shield hardners. I mistakenly thought even if i get into a fight it should be fun and at least last a while. How wrong I was!!! Pirate turns up and I try to cloak. yup cloaked but he obviously saw me cause he's barrelling straight for me trailing a hoard of drones. less than 2 mins later I'm in a pod. barely even time to try and discuss terms. I think I might have just about managed to get into his armor(He was flying a megathron) What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player
So thanks Kodos for the lesson. Yet another Carebear learns (re-learns) what a waste of time low sec is. I think I'll just carry on enjoying Eve without bothering with pvp
Please don't misunderstand. This is not a moan at pirates or even pvp. just the way it's implemented in eve
Oh well back to mining - At least I can get more than 2 mins fun out of shooting ateroids |
babylonstew
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:52:00 -
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player skill beats skill points me thinks
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Yaevep
Euphoria Released Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:59:00 -
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You were npc kitted with prolly very limited pvp experiences against an experienced blasterthron (arguably the most damaging closerange ship) pilot who knows exactly what he's doing. Of course you died fast. On the other hand if you were kitted out properly you would have given him a helluva good fight and would be thanking him for the fight here.
In my opinion there's nothing wrong with PVP in eve, I love it. The only thing I hate about it is fleets and pos warfare.
And there's nothing wrong with low-sec as long as you know what you're doing. Ratting in a raven in lowsec is a waste of time agreed, but try doing some lvl 4 missions for a good agent, that's where the isk is. When you get 7-10k LP per mission and get regular +3 implant offers and faction ships, low sec is great. With a good set of instas and come knowledge about which missions to accept/reject, you can be pretty much 99% safe.
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Eternal Fury
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 14:59:00 -
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Edited by: Eternal Fury on 22/07/2006 15:00:02 ok, first off, low sec is the most dangerous place in the game bar being in a Jita.
You should know this after this long in the game.
if you want to go out of empire to NPC/Mine, go to 0.0. There are infinately less players out there then in low sec.
second, a cloaking device on a battleship is fine if the person hunting you is a noob pirate. They don't normally know the counter to it. But if you run across a Pirate in a battleship who is working SOLO, they normally know what they are doing, and how to counter your moves.
moral of the story, is not that you shouldn't go to low sec, it's that you shouldn't go to low sec without friends, and you should have went to 0.0.
With the skill points you have, you should be able to trounce anyone who comes up against you in most cases if you fly your ship right. You just need to change your tactics.
I only have 5.5 mill sp, and I've been liveing in 0.0 for about 2 months. I've yet to loose a battleship. came close, but not yet. I'm not part of an uber alliance, just a small corp that looks out for eachother.
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Tachy
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:01:00 -
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If he highlighted you with his tactical overview active, there'll be a line leading to your last position. --*=*=*--
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Leilani Solaris
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:03:00 -
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Why take a raven to npc in low sec? all the npcs in low sec can be killed with a cruisers... i never understand why people npc in bs in low sec...
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Backdoor Bandit
Minmatar Gay Rights League
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:05:00 -
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It's not your fault, Kodos has h4x, and may or may not be the Devil. -------------
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Arngorf
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad 2 years ago I gave up on low sec space cause of the hassle from player pirates and the cost / benefit ratio was lousy. Today I decided to go to a nice little 0.4 to do some ratting for a change. Took a Raven kitted out with tech 2 cruise and full set of tech 2 shield hardners. I mistakenly thought even if i get into a fight it should be fun and at least last a while. How wrong I was!!! Pirate turns up and I try to cloak. yup cloaked but he obviously saw me cause he's barrelling straight for me trailing a hoard of drones. less than 2 mins later I'm in a pod. barely even time to try and discuss terms. I think I might have just about managed to get into his armor(He was flying a megathron) What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player
So thanks Kodos for the lesson. Yet another Carebear learns (re-learns) what a waste of time low sec is. I think I'll just carry on enjoying Eve without bothering with pvp
Please don't misunderstand. This is not a moan at pirates or even pvp. just the way it's implemented in eve
Oh well back to mining - At least I can get more than 2 mins fun out of shooting ateroids
Once upon a time every single timer ppl were mining there were someone there to protect them.. it hasn't changed today.. and in 0.0 there's pirate corp.. big ones.. sometimes u meet one of them ... sometimes u meet 10... stay safe.. if u have lived there u would know that cloaking never saves you unless u can warp while cloaked...
It's a shame u wont give it a chance... all u need to do is 2 things... 1st u need to know that u can and will prolly lose ships in low sec.. second u need to do things as a team..
I love low sec.. I do everything from mining to pirating.. and i dont lose too many ships.. ________________________________________________ FORMER!!! I said FORMER Pirate...
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad 2 years ago I gave up on low sec space cause of the hassle from player pirates and the cost / benefit ratio was lousy. Today I decided to go to a nice little 0.4 to do some ratting for a change. Took a Raven kitted out with tech 2 cruise and full set of tech 2 shield hardners. I mistakenly thought even if i get into a fight it should be fun and at least last a while. How wrong I was!!! Pirate turns up and I try to cloak. yup cloaked but he obviously saw me cause he's barrelling straight for me trailing a hoard of drones. less than 2 mins later I'm in a pod. barely even time to try and discuss terms. I think I might have just about managed to get into his armor(He was flying a megathron) What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player
So thanks Kodos for the lesson. Yet another Carebear learns (re-learns) what a waste of time low sec is. I think I'll just carry on enjoying Eve without bothering with pvp
Please don't misunderstand. This is not a moan at pirates or even pvp. just the way it's implemented in eve
Oh well back to mining - At least I can get more than 2 mins fun out of shooting ateroids
Raven ratting in low sec, isnt going to earn much ISK/hour, its a huge potential target, and its slow.
The lesson you should be learning is how to watch local, use your scanner and how to actually pilot your ship vs other players with some decent skill. Just because your old as gods dog, doesnt mean your going to win.
EVE is not an NPC game, even the market is PVP. I think you simply got what you deserved, but then thats my opinion, and I've always flown low sec.
Quote: Oh well back to mining - At least I can get more than 2 mins fun out of shooting ateroids
And thats fun?
Izo Azlion.
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zat evad
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:14:00 -
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Agreed to all points I have very little pvp experience. not likely to get much either if it's over that fast. only on how to lose quickly I was in a Raven cause I'd just been kitting it out and wanted to see how good it was. (Not very obviously) And yes the guy was good and 0.0 was about 10 jumps away and this 0.4 was 3 and I was only going for a quick test
All the episode has done really is put back any ideas of moving to lowsec in the foreseeable future. I obviously don't have the mind or capabilities to do the pvp thing. I guess I'm just really dissapointed at just how fast all that good kit and sp still died so fast
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Xeios
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Xeios on 22/07/2006 15:38:30 Edited by: Xeios on 22/07/2006 15:37:45 The only thing i can think about while reading that is a monotone voice saying something along the lines of: PvP, dont talk to me about pvp. Heres me brain the size of a planet and you want me to go to low sec. Whats the point it'll all end in tears you know.
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Tammarr
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:39:00 -
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zat: Get a caracal and find a gang seeking some action in 0.0 when you have lost 10 caras you will probably have a greater understanding and learned to combat the bad reflexes at a cheap price :)
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Marus Safeld
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:41:00 -
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I moved to 0.0 with no PvP experience whatsoever and barely 2 mil skillpoints. 1st I only took cruisers out to get a feel for how things work there and what I can do and what I can't. I moved my 1st BS in after 3 months. During that time I lost exactly 2 cruisers. 1 due to a missunderstanding and 1 due to my choice to stay in a fight and cover more valuable ships rather than save my own ass.
I love 0.0! Just today I hauled an implant worth 400mil to Empire and ofc I hit a bubble camp. I managed to get away thou. That's the thrill! That's the fun! You're always living on the edge.
Oh and about your 'good kit' on that Raven... there is a hell of a difference between an NPCing and a PvPing Raven. The NPCing Ravens I have seen usaly went pop in under 2 minutes like yours but with the difference that our gangs usaly consist of only 3-5 Tech I/II frigs and cruisers. A PvP fitted Raven is a challenge for us and can take alot longer to kill.
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Zarrika Khan
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:53:00 -
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PvP is not for everyone due to various reasons I find. For some it's their connection, they cannot even handle large mission like level 3's and 4's without allot of lag. Small squad PvP would be just as laggy. That being said, others not only lack the knowledge of how to PvP and what to expect (like the Original Poster) but they also have no one to show them how to PvP. There is no Aura tutorial on PvP, yet.
zat evad, if you even think it would be fun to be on the other end of the PvP battle, winning it, then perhaps you need to seek out a PvP instructor either by joining a corperation that does it in low sec or 0.0 and start off small with really cheap frigates and cruisers. Go into it with the mind set that you are willing to loose a few ship learning the mechanics of PvP, the set ups needed, the tactics for solo and small gang PvP. Just remember to enjoy all the pretty lights and explosions while you are doing it too...
I find everything in life is all about your mindset when going into something new, just know that others have done it before you so there must be a way and so you can learn to do it as well. Once you learn even the smallest part of it, you will not fear it as much as you do now.
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Draeven
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.22 15:59:00 -
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Remember, even if you have 50+ million sp, you're still only flying one ship. Someone with 2 million sp who's speciallized in that ship will be as effective as you(except with mega which requires a bit more sp to be lethal.)
Also, items can only be as effective as you know how to use them. TechII are great but my guess is that he was fitted to kill Raven for maximum damage as the number of low sec mission runners in raven/cruise equals the number of rice in China.
You can go back mining which, after a while, will probably bring you back to low sec again because of boredom. And most likely have you posting here again how you lost your Tech3 Battleship to a guy in kestrel. My suggestion is to take those pvp courses offered by player(which only cost a couple of millions.) Even if you don't plan to pvp, they will teach how to survive in low sec and what to look for. It's a whole lot different than ratting as you've found out.
So you have a choice, give up and feel sorry for yourself or look around, grab the tiger by the tail. G'd luck and safe flying Miner for hire Click here to see profile |
Kodos
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad Pirate turns up and I try to cloak. yup cloaked but he obviously saw me cause he's barrelling straight for me trailing a hoard of drones. less than 2 mins later I'm in a pod. barely even time to try and discuss terms. I think I might have just about managed to get into his armor(He was flying a megathron)
Correct . I was using the scanner the whole time following you from belt to belt, only when I warped into your belt there was no one to be seen and you dissapeared from scanner. After leaving the belt you appeared on scanner so I headed back again, this time I saw you cloak and you know the rest .
Originally by: zat evad What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player
Granted I am alot younger than you, however I have more SP , and they are all in areas that help my combat abilities (I am ashamed to have mining level 4 and astrogeology lvl 3 but that's about it ). The fact that I had to uncloak you obviously meant the fight was going to start under 2km, this is my optimal range on the blasterthron which was kitted fully for PvP vs your NPC raven - I don't think you stood a chance.
Originally by: zat evad So thanks Kodos for the lesson.
You're very welcome, and remember to carry more isk so you can pay the ransom next time .
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Pardack on 22/07/2006 17:13:19
Originally by: zat evad Agreed to all points I have very little pvp experience. not likely to get much either if it's over that fast. only on how to lose quickly I was in a Raven cause I'd just been kitting it out and wanted to see how good it was. (Not very obviously) ... I obviously don't have the mind or capabilities to do the pvp thing. I guess I'm just really dissapointed at just how fast all that good kit and sp still died so fast
It sounds as though you may be a little interested in pvp. You probably know the mantra by now - don't fly what you can't afford to lose blah blah blah. Personally I can afford to lose a few bs and not worry much. That doesn't mean I WANT to lose it.
I see a couple of issues with how you approached entering low-sec and how you handled it once you were there.
First, you had T2 Cruise which is good for PvP and PvE, especially against most targets. 'Ceptors/AFs are a bit tougher but that's where NOS/ECM comes in. You also had a 'full set' of t2 hardeners (how many, what kind etc.), what else did you have fitted in your other high/mid/lows, which is where the Raven can shine or implode. I've found a nicely fitted NPC Raven can hold out quite nice against a PvP setup; which will be different than an all-out NPC config, although not much. No, you won't be as effective PvE but you'll last a heck of a lot longer and/or be able to escape. I'll leave it to you to check the Ships and Modules forum for some good PvP and PvE setups if you haven't already. Take the strong points of PvE setups and combine them with the key points of PvP defense to create a non-cookie-cutter setup. Mail/convo me in game if you'd like to discuss.
Once you were in low-sec, you broke a couple key rules.
A Raven is overkill for low-sec spawns as has been mentioned. Try a Ferox or Moa for low-sec NPCing (Ferox is my favorite).
You're in a Raven hence frozen molasses runs faster than you do (especially against a Megathron, which is more like a well-greased machine).
You don't need to orbit rats, approach them or really do much. So your first objective, if you really want to rat in a Raven in low-sec is to align to a warp-out point. The rats will chase you once you have aggro, so align to a warp-out point and impulse at max speed (make sure you have instas to your warp-out point). At first sign of 'trouble', warp out. Don't pick up your drones, just go. Many a NPCer has been popped while trying to get their drones.
So, let's say you do get caught in a PvP situation. It all depends on what you're up against. If it's a 1v1, and you've got a decent hybrid PvE/PvP fitting, you should be able to escape just about anything.
Against a more coordinated attack with multiple targets, just about ANY ship won't stand a chance. Some situations you just can't escape.
Getting back to your seeming interest in the PvP aspect of EvE, bigger is not always better. I'd recommend buying a bunch of Kestrels/Griffen/Merlin frigs to start and go to low-sec and experiment. They're cheap to buy, fit, insure and lose. Everytime I've been blown to pieces, I've learned a lesson. What I could have done better during the fight, how I could have fit differently, etc. If you lose your ship, it's a cheap lesson and after a few times you will learn just by doing. Again there are a lot of resources available on these forums for strategies/fittings.
If you've got implants and that's a worry, get a jump clone and test the waters with that. There are 'jump clone services' to be found on the forums for a fair price.
Unfortunately a lot of PvP is over fairly quick. Which is why if you're interested in PvP - start small and work your way up. If you feel comfortable in low-sec in a Frig, try and move up to a Cruiser. When you're comfortable in a Cruiser, try a BC.
Continued...
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:10:00 -
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It's as slow as a BS, much cheaper to fit/insure and has better firepower than a Cruiser. If you feel comfortable with a BC, then try a BS (again overkill for low-sec).
It takes time and can be frustrating if you're solo. Try and find a corp or even a person/people who are willing to assist you in this aspect.
You can survive low-sec, even in a Raven. You just have to plan ahead. Do not TEST stuff in low-sec. I've nailed a few pilots who were 'just trying out my new fitting'. Try it out in high-sec, do a few L3/L4 missions with the setup and if you feel comfortable, then go to low-sec and put it to the test.
If you can live in low-sec, 0.0 isn't much farther off. In fact, once you're in 0.0 it's a lot safer than low-sec.
I've done the whole corp/mega alliance/carebear/low-sec things and anyone can really survive in anyplace, with a little forethought, common sense and a bit of experience.
Hope that helps some. Good luck and safe travels to you. Don't fear/avoid low-sec, merely learn and adapt how to live/work there.
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zat evad
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 17:11:00 -
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Kodos :or just run away the moment I see you arrive in system :-) To the others : I'm not feeling sorry for myself. Disapointed yes, but who wouldn't be when you just lose a ship like that So what set up should I have been using to beat a Blasterthron flown by a guy with that level of skill and experience and ok who's going to take me under thier wing and teach me how to pvp (by the way I only get a few hours a week to actually play, work, wife and kids take up rest of time) |
Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:21:00 -
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If you lost in a minute you probably forgot to turn your hardners on after uncloaking.
You shouldnt have died so quickly
Lowsec isn't a waste of time. It's just a waste of your time because you lack the player skills and instincts to survive. (Something which hundreds of week old newbies manage to achive in droves yet is beyond you)
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:46:00 -
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Edited by: Pardack on 22/07/2006 18:52:43
Originally by: Deja Thoris You shouldnt have died so quickly
Totally agree there, a properly fitted PvE setup can still do some serious damage and/or warp out before/while trouble happens.
Originally by: Deja Thoris Lowsec isn't a waste of time. It's just a waste of your time because you lack the player skills and instincts to survive. (Something which hundreds of week old newbies manage to achive in droves yet is beyond you)
That's just insulting. True he/she may lack the skills to survive in low-sec, that doesn't mean the OP is a moron, c'mon. I started the game as mainly PvE so I could get a handle on things, form a corp, mine for all our BSs and basically carebear. *edit* We then moved on to an alliance and a lot of PvP, which was fun for a while*/edit*. That was me. *I* chose to follow a different path, but don't put down those who haven't really thought about or chose to be in PvP. PvE is a totally viable profession. In fact after all the PvP and missions I've done, I'd mainly rather run some L4 missions with friends. *edit*Sure pirating/enemy hunting/enemy evasion is fun, but I don't want to be doing it all the time, everytime I login.*/edit*
Instead of encouraging exploration out of high-sec, you just insult and degrade the person because they've never done it before?
So hundreds of newbies chose to PvP..whoopidee doo. Do they know the best ores to mine, or the best systems to NPC at? Probably not. You're comparing apples to oranges and proclaiming if you like oranges too bad, "everyone" else likes apples. Pfft.
Low-Sec IS a waste of time, depending on your goals. Just because you think it's not, doesn't make it true. There's a lot of people who like hi-sec and don't want to blow other people up or constantly be watching their back.
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Plutoinum
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.22 18:58:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 22/07/2006 19:00:12
Originally by: Tachy If he highlighted you with his tactical overview active, there'll be a line leading to your last position.
Uhm, cool, thanks, didn't know that the line stays. So thread topic fits perfectly.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Deja Thoris Lowsec isn't a waste of time. It's just a waste of your time because you lack the player skills and instincts to survive. (Something which hundreds of week old newbies manage to achive in droves yet is beyond you)
That's just insulting. True he/she may lack the skills to survive in low-sec, that doesn't mean the OP is a moron, c'mon.
Did I say he was a moron?
No.
I said he lacks the player skills and instincts to survive. Theres nothing untrue or derogatory about that statement.
Originally by: Pardack
So hundreds of newbies chose to PvP..whoopidee doo. Do they know the best ores to mine, or the best systems to NPC at? Probably not. You're comparing apples to oranges and proclaiming if you like oranges too bad, "everyone" else likes apples. Pfft.
Yet another case of you reading what I didn't write.
I know some people in lowsec who are huuuuge "carebears". They know to keep an eye on local and warp when dodgy icons appear on their overview. They stay aligned and tune into local intel channels. This does not make them pvp'rs. It makes them smart players.
Next time read what I actually write
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Tsun Lao
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Posted - 2006.07.22 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: zat evad 2 years ago I gave up on low sec space cause of the hassle from player pirates and the cost / benefit ratio was lousy. Today I decided to go to a nice little 0.4 to do some ratting for a change. Took a Raven kitted out with tech 2 cruise and full set of tech 2 shield hardners. I mistakenly thought even if i get into a fight it should be fun and at least last a while. How wrong I was!!! Pirate turns up and I try to cloak. yup cloaked but he obviously saw me cause he's barrelling straight for me trailing a hoard of drones. less than 2 mins later I'm in a pod. barely even time to try and discuss terms. I think I might have just about managed to get into his armor(He was flying a megathron) What a waste of time and effort. 38 mill sp and a host of tech 2 gear and a fight lasts seconds against a much younger player
So thanks Kodos for the lesson. Yet another Carebear learns (re-learns) what a waste of time low sec is. I think I'll just carry on enjoying Eve without bothering with pvp
Please don't misunderstand. This is not a moan at pirates or even pvp. just the way it's implemented in eve
Oh well back to mining - At least I can get more than 2 mins fun out of shooting ateroids
lol someone will probably wardec your ckicken ass for your lack of morals
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Deja Thoris Lowsec isn't a waste of time. It's just a waste of your time because you lack the player skills and instincts to survive. (Something which hundreds of week old newbies manage to achive in droves yet is beyond you)
That's just insulting. True he/she may lack the skills to survive in low-sec, that doesn't mean the OP is a moron, c'mon.
Did I say he was a moron?
No.
I said he lacks the player skills and instincts to survive. Theres nothing untrue or derogatory about that statement.
Originally by: Pardack
So hundreds of newbies chose to PvP..whoopidee doo. Do they know the best ores to mine, or the best systems to NPC at? Probably not. You're comparing apples to oranges and proclaiming if you like oranges too bad, "everyone" else likes apples. Pfft.
Yet another case of you reading what I didn't write.
I know some people in lowsec who are huuuuge "carebears". They know to keep an eye on local and warp when dodgy icons appear on their overview. They stay aligned and tune into local intel channels. This does not make them pvp'rs. It makes them smart players.
Next time read what I actually write
Talk about not reading what people wrote...
Originally by: Deja Thoris
(Something which hundreds of week old newbies manage to achive in droves yet is beyond you)
Insulting. Perhaps you didn't intend it to be that way, that's the way it reads. "I know tons of newbs who go in low-sec but you suck so much you can't handle it".
Originally by: Deja Thoris Yet another case of you reading what I didn't write.
I read everything you had to say (just did again) and you're trying to justify your position via negative and totally untrue accusations.
Originally by: Deja Thoris Next time read what I actually write
See above. Your post was completely unconstructive and unhelpful. You exclaim the fact that you know a lot of low-sec carebears, yet put down non-low sec carebears who either A. don't want to deal with low-sec or B. don't know enough to safely venture there.
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tsun Lao lol someone will probably wardec your ckicken ass for your lack of morals
I must be obtuse, where is the lack of morals? Zat was explaining the frustration of low-sec encounters and lack of general PvP knowledge. I don't see any lack of morals there. Lack of experience/knowledge sure. Lack of morals, that's ridiculous.
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Tsun Lao
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Tsun Lao lol someone will probably wardec your ckicken ass for your lack of morals
I must be obtuse, where is the lack of morals? Zat was explaining the frustration of low-sec encounters and lack of general PvP knowledge. I don't see any lack of morals there. Lack of experience/knowledge sure. Lack of morals, that's ridiculous.
38 million sp hugging Concord space is immoral.
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Pardack on 22/07/2006 20:40:31
Originally by: Tsun Lao
Originally by: Pardack
Originally by: Tsun Lao lol someone will probably wardec your ckicken ass for your lack of morals
I must be obtuse, where is the lack of morals? Zat was explaining the frustration of low-sec encounters and lack of general PvP knowledge. I don't see any lack of morals there. Lack of experience/knowledge sure. Lack of morals, that's ridiculous.
38 million sp hugging Concord space is immoral.
In your opinion. Reality is otherwise. High SP != Corp/Alliance/PvP/Gank *****.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:44:00 -
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I dont cushion my posts with cuddly "go boy!" \o/ cheerleading. It does not make me uphelpful.
If people read my post they can pick up 3 survival skills, but no, its easier to concerntrate on the negative because we disagree right?
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Pardack
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.22 20:48:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris I dont cushion my posts with cuddly "go boy!" \o/ cheerleading. It does not make me uphelpful.
If people read my post they can pick up 3 survival skills, but no, its easier to concerntrate on the negative because we disagree right?
I won't get into a flame fest with you. You said nothing that contributed to the thread except that you know a lot of newbies that handle low-sec fine and the OP can't.
I don't cushion my posts either, however I do try to be helpful when I can. Something you may wish to try sometime.
I fail the see anything helpful in your posts.
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