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Krystian
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Happ
Not really mate, look at it like this, all this post says - If that Huzzah annot defend there space against these *so called pirates* and need ASCN help - just how alot will see it i think
Well allot more going on obviously now than meets the eye. I can comment no more. I am meerly making a statement of our support of ASCN.
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Rawthorm
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:49:00 -
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This thread is utter nonsense. I think its more likely that ASCN/AXE pos deployments in the region are just securing jump points for their carriers to jump safely through.
These thinly vailed anti-pirate operations wont last for long.
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Zhon
Federation of Freedom Fighters
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:54:00 -
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Aside from the recent misunderstanding and acts of aggression between FOFF and ASCN they have been great to have around. Before said conflict we camped and roamed around the pipe with them many times. I can assure you that they do not run from a good fight and are very reliable in even joint battles against organized enemies. It is nice to have competent combat pilots around.
Hope to do some more killing with you guys.
Good to be home. Kind of missed that smell of exhaust fume at the pirates turned tail and run.
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Mariko San
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rawthorm This thread is utter nonsense. I think its more likely that ASCN/AXE pos deployments in the region are just securing jump points for their carriers to jump safely through.
These thinly vailed anti-pirate operations wont last for long.
Actually the main reason for them is boredom. Like most other large alliances ASCN is making its preparations for Kali and suffering the usual summer lull in activity amongst members. It therefore does not want to get dragged into any major hostilities at this time which leaves it with actions against SE/RAT/Coll (who are rarely evident in any sort of numbers) or going down the pipe looking for pirates to scrap with.
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ggdgdggdg
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Posted - 2006.07.24 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh
I live in Providence and would like to make a few remarks on this ASCN 'proposal'
Firstly, I think it (currently) has very little impact on northern Providence - primarily the areas policed by Ushra'khan/Maelstrom and the CVA/NOS.
I have seen very little evidence of increased ASCN patrols and as someone else has already highlighted they seem to be focused on the HED-GP area in Catch - which is an area nominally under Huzzah control.
The fact is that apart from occasional pirate camps and a few piratical individuals northern Providence is actually pretty well policed and fairly secure 0.0 (in as much as any 0.0 can be classed as secure).
It is also one of the few places where 'neutrals' (like me) can fly around pretty much unmolested by the governing alliances as long they keep their noses clean.
When pirate camps are set up in the area they don't tend to last that long as the CVA/NOS and friends tend to react pretty quickly in their area - as does Ushra'khan and Maelstrom in theirs.
I remember back when R3-K7K, for example, was a permanent no go due to constant pirate camps in the bottleneck - but these days it is kept open and safe by locals 99% of the time.
Yes there are occasional pirate invasions and it is certainly not risk free space but personally I think the locals in northern Providence do a fantastic job keeping the area free for traffic and trade.
Indeed if they didn't dedicate so much time to this task then the area would be a damn sight more dangerous for ASCN pilots than it is today!
As far as I know CVA/NOS and Ushra'khan allow all neutrals and non hostile alliance traffic to pass in safety - and that currently includes ASCN pilots.
I do know that if ASCN genuinely join the local alliances in killing pirates and making Providence/Catch a safer more secure place for all then their contribution will be welcomed.
However, if they take their own route and do not communicate with the local alliances then there will be trouble on the horizon. It is imperative that they talk to Ushra'khan/NOS/CVA if only to clarify ground rules and KOS lists. A statement on here is just not good enough form of communication.
I know that several of the border alliances in Providence class the killing of neutrals in their space as piracy. If ASCN take the law into their own hands and is not careful it could end up ****ing off the local alliances and instead of making their routes to 0.0 safer they will actually end up having to fight a full scale war against entrenched alliances operating on the 0.0/Empire border.
While ASCN had an easy time taking down Tribal Souls a war against the border alliances would be a whole lot more messy as they cannot really be cut off and defeated with Empire at their backs. Indeed the border alliances like Ushra'khan and CVA have a long history of working in Empire and with their hardcore RP membership are not going to fold even if ASCN nuked all their 0.0 assets. It would simply devolve into a long run and messy guerilla war with ASCN needing to permanently garrison Providence in order to secure their supply routes.
Of course this is all speculation.
As I mentioned at the start ASCN have shown little interest in northern Providence and so far they haven't done anything to **** the locals off - in fact their anti-pirate patrols are to be welcomed by all who wish to see a secure Providence open for all law abiding pilots wishing to NPC or mine.
I just hope it stays that way and that depends very much on whether ASCN decide to throw their weight around or whether they decide to take a cooperative approach.
nice read, intressting and neutral opinion, rare on this forum.
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Ange1
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:16:00 -
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Lies, all of it lies!. Clearly Northern Providence belongs to The Establishment =P
The Establishment is at your service...
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Lord Spidey
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kai page
Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home?
To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out
So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours?
I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy.
Thanks for your time
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Whoturned Outthelights
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Posted - 2006.07.24 17:33:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Spidey
Originally by: Kai page
Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home?
To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out
So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours?
I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy.
Thanks for your time
Really? Everytime I have seen you its been to warp in to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeing on an insta into SV5.
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Wizard
Without Reason
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Posted - 2006.07.24 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: DeMundus
Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us .
What she said.
I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true,
me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago.
For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn.
After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship.
Being 1 of the peacefull corporations in the area who wouldnt say boo to a goose i emplore the mighty cyvokk to reimburse me for my loss.
At present no corp ops are being carryed out as we are having group meetings to help me through the trauma in my troubled time.
Wish me all the best fellas Without Reason corp website
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 18:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wizard
Originally by: DeMundus
Originally by: Stella Centauri Strangest thing thou, being one of these "pirates" in providence, is that I havent seen any attempts by ascn to kill us .
What she said.
I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true,
me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago.
For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn.
After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship.
Being 1 of the peacefull corporations in the area who wouldnt say boo to a goose i emplore the mighty cyvokk to reimburse me for my loss.
At present no corp ops are being carryed out as we are having group meetings to help me through the trauma in my troubled time.
Wish me all the best fellas
good man, the ASCN reimbruisment and refund program gladly awards you one piece of for your loss. May you recover fast and please come again!
take it lightly as I took your post plz -------
Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Wierd Beard
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.24 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: John McCreedy
Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged.
I'm assuming, besides shuttles, industrials and freightors, that all other ships are combat vessels?
The problem is that when we didn't engage neutrals in the pipe, those in Combat ships often abused that by attacking us. Now the problem is, as anyone who PvPs knows, is that by the time you right click -> show info -> check standings, you're dead.
So unfortunately we cannot take the chance and all combat vessels will be engaged at the descrection of the pilot. Hopefully one day we'll know that when we approach a Combat vessel in the pipe, they'll be typing "hi" in local and not pressing F1, F2 etc.
Soooo...what you're saying is that ASCN is enforcing NBSI in someone else's space? Interesting.
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Wizard
Without Reason
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak good man, the ASCN reimbruisment and refund program gladly awards you one piece of for your loss. May you recover fast and please come again!
take it lightly as I took your post plz
How much is 1 bit of trit worth? id rather you transfer the isk to my account.
If i dont see my wallet flash im gonna come hunting, ny carebear days are over.....guns WILL be strapped to my ships.
Without Reason corp website
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Grimpak
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Wizard
Originally by: Grimpak good man, the ASCN reimbruisment and refund program gladly awards you one piece of for your loss. May you recover fast and please come again!
take it lightly as I took your post plz
How much is 1 bit of trit worth? id rather you transfer the isk to my account.
If i dont see my wallet flash im gonna come hunting, ny carebear days are over.....guns WILL be strapped to my ships.
I am truely sorry, but our department has a VERY tight budgement
....for some reason most of the dividends are used in the "regional development department". Don't understand why tho, since I don't know what this "Regional Development" thing is.
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Originally by: Abdalion
Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant?
Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
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Lord Spidey
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights
Originally by: Lord Spidey
Originally by: Kai page
Originally by: Lord Spidey So you camp Hed with your gangs to engage pirate organization and enemies that have made HED their home?
To be honest I see the perma ascn gang on Hed/Keberz ganking more innocents than actually killing any dangerous folk (bad finite!) and when the dangerous folk come along teh ascn gang jumps out
So which one of the newb alts in shuttles is yours?
I'm the person your camp flees from and beleive it or not I dont show up in a shuttle. Of course checking killboards would have shown this but ill assume your stupid, clueless and/or lazy.
Thanks for your time
Really? Everytime I have seen you its been to warp in to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeing on an insta into SV5.
dunno y im even replying but im sure you took the time to notice my sec status wont even let me in empire
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Spidey
Originally by: Whoturned Outthelights Really? Everytime I have seen you its been to warp in to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeing on an insta into SV5.
dunno y im even replying but im sure you took the time to notice my sec status wont even let me in empire
It's a shame however that you didn't take the time to read what WO posted properly. Warping to a BM at 350km from the Keberz gate before fleeting on insta into SV5. What system would you be in to begin with? Of course, HED-GP. What security level is HED-GP? That's right - 0.0!
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Lord Spidey
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:06:00 -
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So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you?
more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble.
if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:08:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Spidey So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you?
more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble.
if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics
I wasn't disputing what you do (I have no idea tbh), it was more the "That's a load of crap as I can't enter empire" when he wasn't saying you could in the first place.
And yes, everyone knows how ASCN fights.
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Lord Spidey
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Lord Spidey So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you?
more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble.
if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics
My apologies. Watching the clock tick down till i can leave work makes me antsy
I wasn't disputing what you do (I have no idea tbh), it was more the "That's a load of crap as I can't enter empire" when he wasn't saying you could in the first place.
And yes, everyone knows how ASCN fights.
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Sarmaul
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Spidey
I'm in the UK mate - it's 9:20pm :)
TEAM MINMATAR FORUMS - In Rust We Trust - |
Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Spidey So i fly to hed from deep curse in my raven...warp to gate @ 350 then turn around and warp back to sv5? does that make any sense to you?
more like i fly to hed -> warp into ascn bubble -> ascn tries to jam my raven and unanchor bubble -> jamming doesnt work -> ascn flees -> i get a free bubble.
if youd like more accurate info sar i have plenty of fraps id love to show you demonstrating ascns tactics
You should have tackled them all and soloed the camp tbh, you are not cool enough :(
P.S.: hey sarmaul I made a reply you can postfarm some more now :p
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Murukan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:37:00 -
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Heh enforcing nbsi in other's territories now? How is that not ganking? If you don't want to be viewed as gankers you should prolly reign in Species who seem to have taken it upon themselves to gank everything in sight and say "oh sorry you have a gun on your ship we did this for our protection"
What a load of tosh
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Roz Gammas
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Posted - 2006.07.24 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: Roz Gammas on 24/07/2006 21:01:30 Mispost
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Major Pothead
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Posted - 2006.07.24 21:00:00 -
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2006.07.24 15:13 Being sarcastic and insulting will get you nowhere! I will not adjust standings until IĈm told to. Simple as that......
-------------------- 2006.07.23 21:02
Whatever floats yer boat pilot. Being a pvp corp does not just allow you to pod kill people in y-m, maybe it does maybe it doesnt. But some people consider that borderline piracy. Whenever Cyvok gets done reading his mail again hopefuly we will get the proper standing adjustments. As far as the war rules go. Ignorance is not an excuse for the law. This matter has been brought to your attention and I hope that you pass the word down the chain. I have several friends in the ASCN alliance and have informed Cyvok of mishaps such as these. And it will be dealt with by expulsion from ASCN to any Corp that does not wish to obey their engagment policies. I would recomend that you speak with them on this matter if you have not been informed. I mean no disrepsect to you in this evemail it is merly a formality. I hope that one day my pilots will trust yours in the same skies. However with I am not so sure that can be done at this point. We did not expect to be told "such is life" from a fellow anti-pirate corp. I hope that when you read this, you feel not anger, but understanding. We are balls to bones anti pirate. If we were to have engaged your pilots and killed them, you would have been responded by a swift payment for losses. Not that im asking you to do so. But this is how the 420th operates. If after reading this mail, you and your corp wich to continue hostilites theres nothing we can say that will change your mind. But I hope you understand that the reason for this mail is not malice but an attpemt to let you know how we feel. We hold no grudges now, but if it happens again we will not be quick to forgive. Please adjust standings, send corp mails, whever you have to do. But the 420th will be back in Prov as we have been months ago. I hope that our missiles are aimed at the same targets, not each other.
Respectfuly CEO and Founder: 420th Special Operations Major Pothead ------------------ 2006.07.23 14:42 Species is a pvp corp and our members go strickly by standings. As soon as you have standings with ASCA Species will not attack. The fact that he was in a non combat ship does not matter. We attack all neutrals. If ASCN rules have changed in this matter, I have yet to be informed. Also, Inzi is no longer with Species. He went to another corp.
Cujo / Creon
-------------------- 2006.07.17 04:24 I would like to inform you that you member InZi has engaged a hauler from my corporation the 420th Special Operations. It had been brought to her attention that we are currently working on getting our stanings to a positive with ASCN and I would really appriciate if you would repramand her for attacking a neutral corp while being in a non combat oriented ship. I am well aware of ASCN's war policy and it doesnt not allow the attacking of neuts in non combat ships. Thank you for your time.
C.E.O and Founder 420th Special Operations Major Pothead.
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This shows you how far some of the ASCN members go to not engage friendly corps. None of this info has been altered and i didnt even wanna give out my name cuz i didnt wanna get KOS to ASCN for posting this. But if ASCN wants to hate me too for being worried about weather I can be in Prov to help defend it aginst pirates then so be it. I dont want to fight with you guys but I personaly dont want to spend my game time not being able to a place i call PVP home. No where in my mails with Creon was i insulting or sarcastic. and thats the type of reply i get. (Notice the part where he says: The fact that he was in a non combat ship does not matter. We attack all neutrals. If ASCN rules have changed in this matter, I have yet to be informed.)
C.E.O and Founder: 420th Special Operations Major Potheadnullnull[
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C4w3
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:00:00 -
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Cyvok ---> Therefor i am back ;0) nice to be home ;=) Oh and im friendly ... The best of days.
"If all the heroes are standing together around a strange device and begin to taunt me, I will pull out a conventional one. |
Lexa A
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 03:29:00 -
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/me hugs c4
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Gunsnroses
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2006.07.25 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Zhon Aside from the recent misunderstanding and acts of aggression between FOFF and ASCN they have been great to have around. Before said conflict we camped and roamed around the pipe with them many times. I can assure you that they do not run from a good fight and are very reliable in even joint battles against organized enemies. It is nice to have competent combat pilots around.
Hope to do some more killing with you guys.
Good to be home. Kind of missed that smell of exhaust fume at the pirates turned tail and run.
Lies. I've yet to have them stay for a fight. Run Run Little Ark miners.
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Wgaf
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Posted - 2006.07.25 05:59:00 -
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Quote: We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think.
So far you are just Running and getting ganked...
Stay in carebearLand for your own safety.
And post lossmails damnit.
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Stems
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 06:30:00 -
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Edited by: Stems on 25/07/2006 06:32:16
Originally by: Wgaf
Quote: We are not in the area to Gank, despite what many think.
So far you are just Running and getting ganked...
Stay in carebearLand for your own safety.
And post lossmails damnit.
Please, not this again. it's gotten old
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Xachariah
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 08:43:00 -
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Quote: -On the "pipe" (Travel routes in Providence & Catch) ASCN & AXE DO NOT attack and kill "neutral" non-combat vessels. In other words haulers that show as neutral we will leave alone unless they are suspected as being used as enemy scouts. -Members showing as neutral to ASCN & AXE that are in a ship capable of being used in Combat will be engaged.
Quote: The fact that he was in a non combat ship does not matter. We attack all neutrals.
Which one?
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Sku1ly
STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.07.25 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Wizard
I can confirm ascn/axe plans as true,
me being the peacefull npcer/industrialist ive always strived to be was atacked in an unprovoked manner in providence 2 nights ago.
For someunknown reason my insta i used whilst flying without scout landed me of gate and i was duely scrambled/webbed by a pilgrim ship from ascn.
After aggressing to meerly defend myself against this pirate i was jammed and 7-8 other craft from ascn pirate aliance jumped in to help my pod releive itself from my ship.
Wish me all the best fellas
:o
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