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Terranid Meester
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Posted - 2006.07.24 11:58:00 -
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Since I don't really use jammers these ideas might not be the best but here goes...
Jammers
ECM has to be changed fundamentally in the way it works, not chance based or sensor strength based - a multispec would always work every 3/4/5 cycles say regardless of ship sensor strength. A racial jammer however against a ship thats its designed to be used against would say jam every 1/2/3 cycles. Basically it could jam faster thn a multispec.
ECCM + Jammers
1st Idea - Change jammers and eccm to act like warp disruptors and warp core stabs i.e one eccm cancels out one jammer. Now I am not really sure of the specifics of eccm but there must be a generic version that people use like multispectral jammers. Now in order for racial jammers not to be completely useless it would take two generic eccms to cancel out one racial but one racial eccm (are there racial eccms? Must check my hangar soemtime) would cancel out one racial jammer.
2nd Idea - This is based on cycles. A multispec if changed to work every 3 cycles would if its equivalent eccm is fitted to an opposing ship, work every 5 cycles for example. A racial jammer would be less affected by a generic eccm so instead of working every 3 cycles it would work 4 for example. Two generic eccms would reduce one multispec to work every 1 cycle although if two multispecs were on the 2 generic eccms would effect both multispecs as normal.
Does that sound too complicated
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Ellaine TashMurkon
Em Pack HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 24/07/2006 12:08:29 end of mid and shoirt range battleships? absolute end of capital ships? Everyone will have to use blackbird and it will be 90% of any pvp fleet. Unless its sniper BS fleet.
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Terranid Meester
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 24/07/2006 12:08:29 end of mid and shoirt range battleships? absolute end of capital ships? Everyone will have to use blackbird and it will be 90% of any pvp fleet. Unless its sniper BS fleet.
Forgive me but how will it stop short/mid-range battleships and capital ships?
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Ellaine TashMurkon
Em Pack HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2006.07.24 12:36:00 -
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Very simply. Blackbird will own them at 120 km with no chance to counter.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.24 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Terranid Meester Forgive me but how will it stop short/mid-range battleships and capital ships?
You need to have a chance that they don't work. A ship that is focused on ECM, such as a Blackbird, could easily permalock any ship in your model that hasn't ECCM, and we can't force everyone to fit ECCM. -------------------- Do you have a solution to the BM and instas problem? Test it against the bookmark requirements. |
Terranid Meester
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Posted - 2006.07.24 22:58:00 -
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Thank you. Im not overly familiar with Caldari ships :)
If the jammer idea was initiated though then the Blackbird would still have to with multispecs wait for a few cycles before it can use the jammers. It may be able to use its jammers at longer range but I would still imagine it would be possible to destroy them within sucessful jamming cycles. But don't quote me on that
Another ship wouldn't need to fit eccm in order to destroy a jamming ship but it would make it easier.
One of the main problems with eccm though I believe is its lack of positive effect away from jamming counter's. Dampners have sensor boosters, while tracking disruptors also have something that while counter them also have other benefits. ECCM don't really come with anything like a cap boost so and so forth.
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Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Vera Nosfyu on 25/07/2006 02:32:33 No, jamming needs to work against an inherent aspect of the ship. Sensor dampening works against lock range/scan res, tracking disruptors against weapon range/tracking, and target painters against sig radius. Also, jamming needs to retain its randomness as that's its only weakness.
As for the other idea. It won't work due to a lack of 1-to-1 correlation. A Rook with a T2 racial will jam a lot harder than a Rifter with a T1. Also, generic ECCM is useless as you already know your sensor type, don't aco**** for it, just get rid of it.
I still contend that the only way to fix ECM is to change what it does, not how it does it. Preventing a ship from locking is just too powerful. -----------------------------------------------------------
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high star
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Posted - 2006.07.26 15:23:00 -
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Yet another post complaining that ECM is not balanced and needs nerfing.
GET OVER IT!! Life is not balanced!
ECM in an integral part of any combat situation and you must workout how you deal with.
Asking the dev's to nerf something because you do not want to lose a slot on your ship the counter something is just plain crazy.
First it was missiles, now it's ECM
WhatÆs next Dreadnoughts are too powerful so nerf them?
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Maya Rkell
Corsets and Carebears
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vera Nosfyu
I still contend that the only way to fix ECM is to change what it does, not how it does it. Preventing a ship from locking is just too powerful.
Preventing it from locking ANYTHING is. Preventing it from firing on a particular target? Um. That's partial jamming.
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