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Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2014.08.23 08:19:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Chat channels in Eve appear "classier" to you because they're actually moderated a lot more heavily than most people realize. There's a certain "chilling effect" this has on some people who would otherwise be perhaps a little more irreverent or non-respectful of the "sacred cows" that exist even in the "rough and tumble" world of Eve. No examples can be given, because rules.
This is so far off the mark. You have never been buttfished before, have you? Or run incursions for that matter. TVP has a few secret channels where some of the better stuff happens. Hell, I have a channel where only certain people gather, and all the stuff we post and share is a few levels above "inappropriate". Here i am still. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |
Vyl Vit
661
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Posted - 2014.08.23 10:36:00 -
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I beta test a lot, too. Have done for going on twenty years now. Yes, the global chat channels are being over run by an ilk these days that defies the continuance of Western Civilization. If I saw the lot of them walking up the side of a street, it'd be hard to keep from TURNING that wheel...kwim?
People talk bad about us. We talk bad about ourselves and each other, but I have to agree with you. This is an intelligent, cogent and witty bunch of people here. The insults are witty, and even the arch-evil entity we call our own (Goonwaffles, you know who you are) are loveable in a weird kind of way! We're lucky we've found each other.
This bunch from Iceland? Yeah, we yank their chains now and then, but they've put the best thing in gaming together here.
I guess a little arrogance can't be helped. Now, if we could just get a bridle on these ISDs. Mua ha ha ha ha. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2014.08.23 10:55:00 -
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We also have significantly less people dancing on mailboxes, thanks community.
Enable atleast region wide public chat and you will arrive at a similar result as general, if you dont believe me, make a trial account and read the rookie channel for a few hours (without the pvp drama ofc). |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4275
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Posted - 2014.08.23 10:58:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I think there are a few things that help contribute to the EVE community being a tad more civil than others. One of them is the fact that the target audience tends to be a bit older than most other MMO's. Another is the potential for real consequences in game for what transpires over channels and on the forums.... Whenever I see Cannibal Kane post with "Why hello there future war target." I can't help but feel a perverse mixture of delight and pity for the fate of the poor soul in question. He chickened out on our corp
I would like just like to point out, You all left corp when I wardecced it. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20333
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Posted - 2014.08.23 11:05:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I think there are a few things that help contribute to the EVE community being a tad more civil than others. One of them is the fact that the target audience tends to be a bit older than most other MMO's. Another is the potential for real consequences in game for what transpires over channels and on the forums.... Whenever I see Cannibal Kane post with "Why hello there future war target." I can't help but feel a perverse mixture of delight and pity for the fate of the poor soul in question. He chickened out on our corp I would like just like to point out, You all left corp when I wardecced it.
*Offers medical treatment to Harrison Tato for the burn he just suffered.*
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
160
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Posted - 2014.08.23 12:45:00 -
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In general I would say the EVE community is a bit more mature than other communities as long as the topic does not involve women, then it usually becomes a complete kindergarten, which is a shame. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4157
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Posted - 2014.08.23 12:51:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:In general I would say the EVE community is a bit more mature than other communities as long as the topic does not involve women, then it usually becomes a complete kindergarten, which is a shame. Id say that has a lot to do with the fact that those of us that live with women know better than to speak about them here and just laugh at the rest of ye (not you specifically) =][= |
stoicfaux
5296
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Posted - 2014.08.23 12:58:00 -
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Posting in a stealth criticism-of-CCP's-inability-to-implement-a-global-across-all-nodes-chat-channel thread.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
210
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Posted - 2014.08.23 13:01:00 -
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Ive seen over the years many Corps and Chat channels COMPLETELY ruined by one new big mouth jerk that joins the group driving people away... |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
388
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Posted - 2014.08.23 13:10:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I think there are a few things that help contribute to the EVE community being a tad more civil than others. One of them is the fact that the target audience tends to be a bit older than most other MMO's. Another is the potential for real consequences in game for what transpires over channels and on the forums.... Whenever I see Cannibal Kane post with "Why hello there future war target." I can't help but feel a perverse mixture of delight and pity for the fate of the poor soul in question. He chickened out on our corp I would like just like to point out, You all left corp when I wardecced it.
Oh snap. Well then, my whole point about accountability does need to be clarified in the sense that those who are willing to stand by their words can be held accountable, assuming they don't spout drivel while utilizing craven methods such as wardec evasion or employing npc forum alts. Better? Hope so. Ultimately the rest of us have what's left of our reputations and credibility on the line whenever we open our mouths, and as such tend not to act like an eight year old on a public minecraft server. Usually. |
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Experiment 32423
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2014.08.23 13:26:00 -
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To be completely honest, comparing the EVE community to the communities in other MMOs isn't really a fair comparison. You can usually expect to deal with someone in their 20s (or above), capable of constructing proper English sentences with an least average, if not above-average IQ.
Now, players in both types of communities might still **** you over in the worst possible ways, but it might as well be the guy described above, right? |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.08.23 13:37:00 -
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Bohneik Itohn wrote:So I managed to get into the Archeage closed beta and I logged in tonight. I usually try to get in the betas for most MMO's even if I don't intend to play them, just to get a feel for them and an overall feel for where the industry is heading. Anyone who has played a couple MMO's can tell you that their general/global chat is the worst out of all the varieties of games that have large chat channels. The best MMO general chat is a filthy cesspit of depravity, bigotry and sexism at the best of times in comparison to pretty much any other variety of community at the worst of times. I generally can ignore the worst of it. Tonight I blocked all of the global chat channels in Archeage in less than 5 minutes. I haven't blocked anyone except for spammers in Eve, and no one on the forums. Thanks Eve community for keeping it classy.
Every beta of a MMO I have played the chat has been like that. And they all change once the game goes live. But Eve douche baggery is eternal...do not forget..or you will find yourself a plaything for a bitter vet. |
E Vile
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:29:00 -
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Every village has their idiots |
Robert Sawyer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:59:00 -
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I learned that 99% of Jita chat is a lie. "And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph." |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1876
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:02:00 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:John Ending wrote:Bohneik Itohn wrote:So I managed to get into the Archeage closed beta and I logged in tonight. I usually try to get in the betas for most MMO's even if I don't intend to play them, just to get a feel for them and an overall feel for where the industry is heading. Anyone who has played a couple MMO's can tell you that their general/global chat is the worst out of all the varieties of games that have large chat channels. The best MMO general chat is a filthy cesspit of depravity, bigotry and sexism at the best of times in comparison to pretty much any other variety of community at the worst of times. I generally can ignore the worst of it. Tonight I blocked all of the global chat channels in Archeage in less than 5 minutes. I haven't blocked anyone except for spammers in Eve, and no one on the forums. Thanks Eve community for keeping it classy. ever been in local with anyone from TEST or PIZZA? TEST local in innia was the absolute worst thing ever for both sides. At least they mellowed out after a few weeks. They still do it for chest beating purposes. Outside of Innia, podding them solved the problem perfectly. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
Hadrian Blackstone
Yamato Holdings
99
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Posted - 2014.08.23 17:41:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:I think there are a few things that help contribute to the EVE community being a tad more civil than others. One of them is the fact that the target audience tends to be a bit older than most other MMO's. Another is the potential for real consequences in game for what transpires over channels and on the forums.... Whenever I see Cannibal Kane post with "Why hello there future war target." I can't help but feel a perverse mixture of delight and pity for the fate of the poor soul in question. He chickened out on our corp I would like just like to point out, You all left corp when I wardecced it.
I would like to point out that, the entire week we were wardecced, we planned for you to come, and instead you sat inside your station. The mighty Kane isn't so mighty after all, people. And no, NOBODY left the corp because you wardecced us, and I mean nobody.
By the way, do you enjoy my bio? |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
3351
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Posted - 2014.08.24 03:20:00 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Thank the ISDs. This forum goes full-****** on a regular basis. As for in-game chats, yeah, I can see that. It probably has something to do with the very broad meta in Eve. There's plenty of things to pick at and smack about in local, without having to resort to the more ridiculous stuff that we see in most other MMOs. Either that, or you're just in the wrong chat channels.
Just doing our job. Thanks though, it's appreciated!
Also, I enjoy the EVE community. Always something interesting happening in it. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Angeal MacNova
LankTech Masters of Flying Objects
168
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Posted - 2014.08.24 04:10:00 -
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It because it's new. It's the wave of "must play the latest and greatest" group which tend to be the most self entitled, spoiled bunch there is. The self proclaim "1337" group. Compare what the chat is now with the same chat 4 or 5 years after release (after new games come out) and you'll see a world of difference.
I was there when GW2 first came out. Both in-game chat and the forums were horrid. Now it's quite tame. |
Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2014.08.24 10:44:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Irony.
The only irony is that we didn't need ISD volunteers manning the forums before Goons came along. Although I suppose it's more ironic that they've mellowed and appear relatively benign compared to the latest generation of inarticulate muppets.
We were such a nice community back in the day that we didn't even shoot pods. Much. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
8196
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Posted - 2014.08.24 10:47:00 -
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Ilany wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Irony. The only irony is that we didn't need ISD volunteers manning the forums before Goons came along. Although I suppose it's more ironic that they've mellowed and appear relatively benign compared to the latest generation of inarticulate muppets. We were such a nice community back in the day that we didn't even shoot pods. Much. That's not related to the goons per se, but to the amount of people participating.
Even if it hadn't been the goons but just a huge bunch of different people not actually somehow connected to each other, the effect would have been the same.
This happens literally everywhere once a critical mass of people is reached.
But it's easy to blame the goons for everything, I know. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) Human Ressources Expert; Suicidal Queen of Local, Underwear and ... for hire! |
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Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.24 10:58:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Ilany wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Irony. The only irony is that we didn't need ISD volunteers manning the forums before Goons came along. Although I suppose it's more ironic that they've mellowed and appear relatively benign compared to the latest generation of inarticulate muppets. We were such a nice community back in the day that we didn't even shoot pods. Much. That's not related to the goons per se, but to the amount of people participating. Even if it hadn't been the goons but just a huge bunch of different people not actually somehow connected to each other, the effect would have been the same. This happens literally everywhere once a critical mass of people is reached. But it's easy to blame the goons for everything, I know.
IIany is right about one thing the Goons do seem to have mellowed. Might be in part due to there being less activity in GD from them these days. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
8196
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Posted - 2014.08.24 11:02:00 -
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Grog Aftermath wrote:IIany is right about one thing the Goons do seem to have mellowed. Might be in part due to there being less activity in GD from them these days. Mellowed?
I rarely see any goon activity anyway ... for ages. Considering the sheer amount of them, one would expect them to be around in the hundreds.
Imagine they'd do that.
People don't seem to realise the sheer might the goons have just from their numbers and they also do not realise that if they wanted, they'd just literally own these forums with their opinions.
It's something one has to think about. The collective known as Goons can't be that bad per se, first of all because different people do tend to have different opinions, and second because people like you and me are still here writing, without them flooding literally anything around here.
And they could do that. All they'd need to do is stick to the forum rules.
What CODE does with their propaganda machine is literally childsplay in comparison. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - CODE, RvB, the AT, and what DJEntropy said .... :) Human Ressources Expert; Suicidal Queen of Local, Underwear and ... for hire! |
Grog Aftermath
Need more grog
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Posted - 2014.08.24 11:12:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Grog Aftermath wrote:IIany is right about one thing the Goons do seem to have mellowed. Might be in part due to there being less activity in GD from them these days. Mellowed? I rarely see any goon activity anyway ... for ages. Considering the sheer amount of them, one would expect them to be around in the hundreds. Imagine they'd do that. People don't seem to realise the sheer might the goons have just from their numbers and they also do not realise that if they wanted, they'd just literally own these forums with their opinions. It's something one has to think about. The collective known as Goons can't be that bad per se, first of all because different people do tend to have different opinions, and second because people like you and me are still here writing, without them flooding literally anything around here. And they could do that. All they'd need to do is stick to the forum rules. What CODE does with their propaganda machine is literally childsplay in comparison.
Some of their old posters we don't see anymore, used to be quite entertaining.
Iirc they kind of got bored with all the negative comments about them in GD, so prefer their own forum.
It always seemed to be rage towards The Goons, whereas CODE just seem to get laughter. |
Ilany
Nightingale Enterprises
15
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Posted - 2014.08.24 11:21:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: That's not related to the goons per se, but to the amount of people participating. Even if it hadn't been the goons but just a huge bunch of different people not actually somehow connected to each other, the effect would have been the same. This happens literally everywhere once a critical mass of people is reached.
No. Nothing to do with "critical mass". Thousands of individuals were joining the EVE community every month. There were, of course, a few people behaving poorly, but they were isolated.
It only changed when we started getting large inter-connected groups joining at the same time; groups which had already developed their own identity separately. That could be a good thing - e.g. Ars Technica's first corp was very polite and constructive - or it could be a bad thing. An armchair psychologist might think it has something to do with where each group has formed its identity.
If I were to use an analogy it would be like filling a bath tub with a shower - lots of drops of water - the tub gets fuller but it doesn't change composition until you pour a bucket of sewage in. |
Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
5
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Posted - 2014.08.24 11:22:00 -
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I have played all the Archeage betas, and I haven't looked at general chat for more than a few minutes. Why would I? I am too busy enjoying the game. I am not sure what you are expecting to gain from getting absorbed in a general chat, seems like a waste of energy when you have paid money to actually play the game. Play with friends, join a guild, use their chat.
On a side note, yes the EVE community is excellent :) |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
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Posted - 2014.08.24 11:24:00 -
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Cista2 wrote:I have played all the Archeage betas, and I haven't looked at general chat for more than a few minutes. Why would I? I am too busy enjoying the game. I am not sure what you are expecting to gain from getting absorbed in a general chat, seems like a waste of energy when you have paid money to actually play the game. Play with friends, join a guild, use their chat. Sounds like a multiplayer game, not an mmo. |
Cista2
Hydra Investment Fund
5
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Posted - 2014.08.24 11:26:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Sounds like a multiplayer game, not an mmo. I don't get your point. Following your logic EVE is not an MMO, since EVE has no general chat. |
De'Veldrin
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.24 14:07:00 -
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Just to toss my own opinion into the pile:
One thing that separates this game from many other MMOs is the level of passion that Eve players display about this game. Most other MMOs (witha few notable exceptions) live and die so rapidly they don't have time to develop the passionate communities that Eve has the privilege of possessing. To borrow a phrase, the MMO kiddies don' care about the game they're playing - they're far more interested in the next game on the horizon, and they change more often than **** stars change positions.
Eve has it's ass clowns - every community does - but the Eve community tends to be more self correcting than most once you move beyond what we might refer to as normal levels of asshattery. De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6390
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Posted - 2014.08.24 15:39:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Eve has it's ass clowns General Discussion is just the best though.
Grog Aftermath wrote:Some of their old posters we don't see anymore, used to be quite entertaining.
Iirc they kind of got bored with all the negative comments about them in GD, so prefer their own forum.
It always seemed to be rage towards The Goons, whereas CODE just seem to get laughter. We've perfected the jabber loop, and now generations of newbees never even go on eveo unless someone puts a link there.
The perfect mousetrap ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers. |
Miomeifeng Alduin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.24 19:30:00 -
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Experiment 32423 wrote:To be completely honest, comparing the EVE community to the communities in other MMOs isn't really a fair comparison. You can usually expect to deal with someone in their 20s (or above), capable of constructing proper English sentences with an least average, if not above-average IQ.
Now, players in both types of communities might still **** you over in the worst possible ways, but it might as well be the guy described above, right?
To be honest: Some of the worst people i know online, are the kind who are managers or similar, in their thirties in real life. I have some friends who game together, but while they are fun people out of the game, in the game they are the raging idiotic caps lock using abusive assholes everyone complains about. Age is not an indication of maturity online.
Ilany wrote: No. Nothing to do with "critical mass". Thousands of individuals were joining the EVE community every month. There were, of course, a few people behaving poorly, but they were isolated.
The reason they are isolated, has more to do with there not being 1 general chat imo. I've seen the same things here as in any MMO. From begging to pure trollbait ("WOW was the first mmo"), some newer characters, some older. |
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