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KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.23 01:49:00 -
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I fly a logi frig in low sec all the time I deadspace fit them (reps) and love the inquisitor the but there is nowhere to go and stay in a small ship There also really slow I like guardians cap chain and transfers I think things like all newt cruors and assault frigate fleets will be more posable with a advanced logi thay dont need more reping power thay have more than enough for most fights a little more speed and flexibility over t1 is all The tec 1 are way to slow even with a prop mod |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.23 03:31:00 -
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Was thinking amar/cal going 3-2 and the min/gal goining like 2k with a mwd sig bounus Any other ideas |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:25:00 -
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200 vews no complants Do it The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
Rok Hard
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:44:00 -
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I think it would be awesome to see T2 Frig logi. I've never flown a T1 logi frig but it seems like a logical next step. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:37:00 -
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Yeah T1 frig logi just don't have the survivability of the T1 cruiser logi because they are slow and have relatively low EHP. Primarying T1 logi frigs is too easy so it's usually better to just bring more independently tanked dps ships. T2 logi frigs will make assault frig fleets a powerful doctrine. |
God's Apples
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:58:00 -
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Yes just what this name is a greater proliferation of logi ships. T2 logi already have near-frigate sig radius what would t2 logi frigs have, 10m sig? |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.31 04:51:00 -
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The probem is now they're so thin that thay vaporise if you look at them funny and thare slow you cant rep any thing becouse its run off and you dont have the rep range or speed to keep up
yes logi are a minoritynand are being apreset The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
iu'ra
Doom Generation THE H0NEYBADGER
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:45:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Yes just what this name is a greater proliferation of logi ships. T2 logi already have near-frigate sig radius what would t2 logi frigs have, 10m sig?
If standard cruiser has x sig average logi sig is y. Take the percent difference of x and y to apply it to the frigate level. |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.31 16:42:00 -
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Also frig logi all have mwds or are completly useless and cant run away The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
Damen Apol
Dayman Industries
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Posted - 2014.08.31 17:33:00 -
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logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it
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KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.09.02 04:58:00 -
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Damen Apol wrote:logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it
blobber detected
Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
Samwise Everquest
Because ISK
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Posted - 2014.09.02 22:41:00 -
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I've never flown or seen t1 logi but it would seem like a small gang would get more benefit out an ewar boat than a logi frigate. Are you talking small gang frigates only or are you proving logi for a small gang of bigger ships?
Also are you the only logi? Solo logi sounds terrible on paper(maybe it works in practice, I don't know) unless you are using the cruiser hulls were you can rep far away from the battle.
Basically I do not see the need for t2 logi frigate or really a good use outside some specific fleet setups. |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.09.03 00:53:00 -
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Solo frig logi is ok and is nice because you can go in to small fw sites The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
xPredat0rz
Grey Templars Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.09.03 02:46:00 -
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I like the idea
Here is a better idea though.
Take the T1 Logi. Give it a kick ass paint job and T2 resists. Buff its speed and agility by 5%. Increase the cap recharge a bit and be done.
Basically the T1 logis are too easy to bomb because of terrible resists, ehp and speed.
It has actually gotten to the point its better to bring Cruiser Logis to our Frigate doctrines because they tank better and rep farther and arent that much slower then the frigates. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.09.03 16:54:00 -
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Their problem is either the legs are too short or the lungs can't keep up. Hell even in long legs mode, you can only keep up if the fight pattern is twisty as hell and you keep cutting corners. |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.09.05 05:57:00 -
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[Inquisitor, pew] Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Adaptive Nano Plating II 200mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400
Coreli A-Type Small Remote Armor Repairer Coreli A-Type Small Remote Armor Repairer Coreli A-Type Small Remote Armor Repairer
Small Anti-Explosive Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I Small Trimark Armor Pump I
All I can git is like 8 k ehp All most unviable!!! The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
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Posted - 2014.09.05 06:55:00 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:I fly a logi frig in low sec all the time I deadspace fit them (reps) and love the inquisitor the but there is nowhere to go and stay in a small ship I like guardians cap chain and transfers I think things like all newt cruors and assault frigate fleets will be more posable with a advanced logi thay dont need more reping power thay have more than enough for most fights a little more speed and flexibility over t1 is all The tec 1 are way to slow even with a prop mod
Issue is that it would make cruisers to unbalanced.
you could have a unkillable frigfleet.
imagine CFC Harpy fleets with T2 logi. Op as ****.
Cool idea but no. Because balance. http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Danny John-Peter
Snuff Box
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Posted - 2014.09.05 07:46:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Yes just what this name is a greater proliferation of logi ships. T2 logi already have near-frigate sig radius what would t2 logi frigs have, 10m sig?
Yeah, this sounds nice on paper and all but it would be pretty challenging to balance. |
Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2014.09.05 10:22:00 -
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Frig gangs are already a pain to deal with.
Remember that frigates are not just scaled down cruisers. They are a ship class that has it's own specialization and strengths and weaknesses. The logi frigates were added to make it easy for new players to get into logi piloting. They are not supposed to turn a frig gang into a mini ahac gang. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1231
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:17:00 -
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iu'ra wrote:God's Apples wrote:Yes just what this name is a greater proliferation of logi ships. T2 logi already have near-frigate sig radius what would t2 logi frigs have, 10m sig? If standard cruiser has x sig average logi sig is y. Take the percent difference of x and y to apply it to the frigate level.
If you compare the osprey to the basilisk, the same ratio would end up around 31-32 if the Bantam is correctly placed right now. That is completely unfit at all V. |
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:24:00 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:The probem is now they're so thin that thay vaporise if you look at them funny and thare slow you cant rep any thing becouse its run off and you dont have the rep range or speed to keep up
yes logi are a minoritynand are being apreset
This is not a problem. It is something you want to change. There is a difference between a problem and something you don't have.
Becareful what you ask for. There are some CCP faux devs that don't have the fozziest idea what they are doing to the game when they make changes. You need to consider FW space being over run w/ unbreakable inty/AF gangs backed by T2 logi frig support. You are asking for a very large game changer here. As a player that has participated in the wh T3 guardian/proteus/armor jamgu fleets of epic boredom.... be careful what you ask for.
(pro tip: this would pretty much be the end for the solo frigate pvp guys. I know I wouldn't go into a FW site w/out my second account t2 logi frig flying overwatch for me) |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
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Posted - 2014.09.05 12:24:58 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:The probem is now they're so thin that thay vaporise if you look at them funny and thare slow you cant rep any thing becouse its run off and you dont have the rep range or speed to keep up
yes logi are a minoritynand are being apreset
This is not a problem. It is something you want to change. There is a difference between a problem and something you don't have.
Becareful what you ask for. There are some CCP faux devs that don't have the fozziest idea what they are doing to the game when they make changes. You need to consider FW space being over run w/ unbreakable inty/AF gangs backed by T2 logi frig support. You are asking for a very large game changer here. As a player that has participated in the wh T3 guardian/proteus/armor jamgu fleets of epic boredom.... be careful what you ask for.
(pro tip: this would pretty much be the end for the solo frigate pvp guys. I know I wouldn't go into a FW site w/out my second account t2 logi frig flying overwatch for me) |
Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2014.09.05 13:54:00 -
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I hope ccp wont see this, or we can all pretty much start training new frig logi alts for solo frig pvp. |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.09.05 16:26:00 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:I hope ccp wont see this, or we can all pretty much start training new frig logi alts for solo frig pvp. Do it now the tec 1s are good ish Thay have so much potential and no applacation All I whan is more speed so I can actually logi The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
KnightMaire kings
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2014.09.05 16:26:23 -
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Lugalzagezi666 wrote:I hope ccp wont see this, or we can all pretty much start training new frig logi alts for solo frig pvp. Do it now the tec 1s are good ish Thay have so much potential and no applacation All I whan is more speed so I can actually logi
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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Damen Apol
Dayman Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:26:00 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:Damen Apol wrote:logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it
blobber detected Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea
Clearly you've never flown small gang, or if you have you're a terrible pilot.
If I have three people in my gang, I pretty much need respectable dps from all of them, point-holding capability from at least two of them, and some anti-frigate ability from at least one of them. Some of these things can vary around depending on composition and what you're expecting to shoot etc. etc.
But if you drop one of those people for a logistics ship, you've lost a TON of utility for what? Some reps? If you're flying with three people and need logistics, you're doing something so terribly wrong that you have no chance of taking any serious fight anyway. |
Damen Apol
Dissident Aggressors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:26:41 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:Damen Apol wrote:logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it
blobber detected Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea
Clearly you've never flown small gang, or if you have you're a terrible pilot.
If I have three people in my gang, I pretty much need respectable dps from all of them, point-holding capability from at least two of them, and some anti-frigate ability from at least one of them. Some of these things can vary around depending on composition and what you're expecting to shoot etc. etc.
But if you drop one of those people for a logistics ship, you've lost a TON of utility for what? Some reps? If you're flying with three people and need logistics, you're doing something so terribly wrong that you have no chance of taking any serious fight anyway. |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:38:00 -
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Damen Apol wrote:KnightMaire kings wrote:Damen Apol wrote:logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it
blobber detected Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea Clearly you've never flown small gang, or if you have you're a terrible pilot. If I have three people in my gang, I pretty much need respectable dps from all of them, point-holding capability from at least two of them, and some anti-frigate ability from at least one of them. Some of these things can vary around depending on composition and what you're expecting to shoot etc. etc. But if you drop one of those people for a logistics ship, you've lost a TON of utility for what? Some reps? If you're flying with three people and need logistics, you're doing something so terribly wrong that you have no chance of taking any serious fight anyway. Im thinking like 5 to 10 man fleets is ware this belongs The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
KnightMaire kings
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2014.09.05 17:38:40 -
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Damen Apol wrote:KnightMaire kings wrote:Damen Apol wrote:logi is literally the cancer that is killing EVE and you want more of it
blobber detected Small gangs have more to gane from this than blobs Also the new frig wh make the t2 frig logi a scary idea Clearly you've never flown small gang, or if you have you're a terrible pilot. If I have three people in my gang, I pretty much need respectable dps from all of them, point-holding capability from at least two of them, and some anti-frigate ability from at least one of them. Some of these things can vary around depending on composition and what you're expecting to shoot etc. etc. But if you drop one of those people for a logistics ship, you've lost a TON of utility for what? Some reps? If you're flying with three people and need logistics, you're doing something so terribly wrong that you have no chance of taking any serious fight anyway. Im thinking like 5 to 10 man fleets is ware this belongs
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
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Posted - 2014.09.05 19:12:00 -
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you need to think about the 30 man gangs you'll get. I understand what you want, and that would probably be fun the 3 times it works.
But the price of having logi frigs in fw sites (effectively killing solo fw hunting) and invincible inty gangs is just too high.
This is a bad idea. Let it go. |
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