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KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.23 16:36:00 -
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I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps Why do people not use them more And are any others Better at pve I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome
Post fits!!! |
Caleidascope
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.23 19:27:00 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps Why do people not use them more And are any others Better at pve I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome
Post fits!!! I have done scout sites in navy slicer, thrasher. I did not need command ship for it.
On the other hand, have you tried to do vanguard site? My advice, don't. Life is short and dinner time is chancy Eat dessert first! |
Garak n00biachi
Capital Destruction Brig Consortium
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:38:00 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps Why do people not use them more And are any others Better at pve I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome
Post fits!!!
Skill requirements i suppose; by the time someone gets to do all those skills that person already perfected HAC,T3 or BS skills to pve with and gotten used to using those ships. If you never intend to be a fleet booster skilling stuff you will never use for 90 days just to get into the ship is a pretty big hurdle.....i guess? |
Nico Laitanen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:46:00 -
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I'm aiming for a Vulture in the distant future. -Blaster fit, maybe? |
chaosgrimm
Universal Production and Networking Services
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Posted - 2014.08.23 20:59:00 -
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Battleships are usually able to offer more. For example choosing between a T2 BC and a T2 BS, all marauders have better dps, projection, tank, ewar immunity, tractors, etc
Compared to T1, t1 push better dps, cost less, have better projection, an acceptable tank, etc |
Kyoko Onzo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.24 00:52:00 -
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Garak n00biachi wrote:KnightMaire kings wrote:I Have a Eos for PVE and it can tank any scout incs, misson or c3 site and I can refit it do do and aply 750 ish dps Why do people not use them more And are any others Better at pve I can fly all cs so any ideas are welcome
Post fits!!! Skill requirements i suppose; by the time someone gets to do all those skills that person already perfected HAC,T3 or BS skills to pve with and gotten used to using those ships. If you never intend to be a fleet booster skilling stuff you will never use for 90 days just to get into the ship is a pretty big hurdle.....i guess?
My assumption (based on him saying he can fly all CS's) is that he is like myself in that he trained for CS's prior to the changes (used to be non racial BC V, war link spec IV, Heavy assault IV and maybe one more thing to V) when the training wasn't so intensive and it was worthwhile to have a supped up BC (and T3's had literally just came out when I finished my training).
Now a days I wouldn't train or recommend training for one, but for the training I put in to get mine (and due to the changes the other 3 races as well) it was well worth it. |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.24 02:55:00 -
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Here arethe fits I use I refit a lot
[deff, Eos] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Reactive Armor Hardener Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control II Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Ogre II x5 Garde II x5 [off, Eos] Damage Control II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Cap Recharger II Drone Navigation Computer II Drone Navigation Computer II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Armored Warfare Link - Damage Control II Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defense II 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M 250mm Railgun II, Spike M
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Ogre II x5 Garde II x5
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
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Posted - 2014.08.24 08:33:00 -
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Ridicolus vs sanshas whatever low/null deds.. biggest issue is how to feed it whit ammo. scram mwd 2 neuts cap boosters in depot if you find a sansha ratter..
Centum A-Type Medium Armor Repairer Damage Control II Core A-Type Armor EM Hardener Core A-Type Armor Thermic Hardener Gyrostabilizer II
100MN Analog Booster Rockets Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Caldari Navy Cloaking Device Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Acolyte II x5
SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.24 09:33:00 -
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Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content... "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
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Posted - 2014.08.24 09:57:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content.... cause i only do solo high end deds, and your what ever bs/3hour arty sleip wont cut it. drop whatever mach in a sansha provi plex and see what happens whit it, or whatever arty fitt when theres 3 td's onit SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder |
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.24 10:37:00 -
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Mysa wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content.... Because we can?
Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content.
If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
32
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Posted - 2014.08.24 10:51:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Mysa wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content.... Because we can? Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content. If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for.
I solo 8-10/10 complexes when i pve, armor loki/sleip for sansha provi, tengu/ishtar for serp n guristas. he asked for a cs pve setup that works, not a lv4 ship in npc space. SoloFoLife! -KEKE the Merlin wonder |
Kyoko Onzo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.24 19:25:00 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Mysa wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content.... Because we can? Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content. If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for.
Yes I can put out just over 1100 dps with a Mach and just shy of 900 with a Sleipnir (iirc). But the Sleipnir can apply that full dps a lot easier and quicker to frig rats which point and web; and those are the only real danger to me in either ship as it could mean tanking a fistful of rats as well as would be gankers. Yes drones, but with target switching if I just leave drones out there is a good chance of loosing some, which means less effectiveness on subsequent waves. No I'm much safer in a Sleip than a Mach pve'ing as both can easily tank whatever I'm doing, but the real danger is neuts/reds.
Since when is a Mach cheaper than a Sleipnir (even with 3 domi gyro's)??
If need be I can as well accommodate a warp disruptor in my Sleip pve setup without hurting my tank (as it's generally overtanked).
It may not be "optimal" but it's still very effective and I feel much safer in it. Yes if I was doing lvl4's I would be sitting in a Mach (which I do own and do take out as well, just not as frequently).
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Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.25 16:21:00 -
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Kyoko Onzo wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Mysa wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:Why on earth would you use a CS for pve if a BS is both cheaper and faster at running that sort of content.... Because we can? Dunno. Shooting red crosses makes me rather cringe at times unless 4/5-digit dps group content. If you're into running L4s, you can pretty much fly a machariel or do it wrong. It's even easier to train for. Yes I can put out just over 1100 dps with a Mach and just shy of 900 with a Sleipnir (iirc). But the Sleipnir can apply that full dps a lot easier and quicker to frig rats which point and web; and those are the only real danger to me in either ship as it could mean tanking a fistful of rats as well as would be gankers. Yes drones, but with target switching if I just leave drones out there is a good chance of loosing some, which means less effectiveness on subsequent waves. No I'm much safer in a Sleip than a Mach pve'ing as both can easily tank whatever I'm doing, but the real danger is neuts/reds. Since when is a Mach cheaper than a Sleipnir (even with 3 domi gyro's)?? If need be I can as well accommodate a warp disruptor in my Sleip pve setup without hurting my tank (as it's generally overtanked). It may not be "optimal" but it's still very effective and I feel much safer in it. Yes if I was doing lvl4's I would be sitting in a Mach (which I do own and do take out as well, just not as frequently).
Yeah, your med ACs totally apply damage past 10km hmmm...
I actually compared the Sleipnir to BS in General, where the sleip loses out immensely (ex. Raven, Dominix). In particular, I was comparing sleip (600mil for my setup or ~2bil for that other smart gents abomination that he loves flying around in null, running 10/10s with 600dps....) to a machariel (900mil with T2 hyperspatials ltic).
So yeah. There are smart ways to do stuff and dumb ways. Using CS for ove is a dumb affair in general, even more so if you go through the mind numbing activity of shooting structures with horrible dps. "I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Kyoko Onzo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:44:00 -
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900 dps 16km falloff vs 1100 dps 27km falloff. Speed and agility are roughly the same. Med AC's deal with pointing rats faster than do large AC's. Don't have t2 cruise/Torp missile skills nor t2 heavy/sentry drone skills so I get more out of a Sleip or Mach than I would out of a raven or dominix. I trained CS when they had a boosting ship and basically a HABC version so training was no where near as intensive as now. I'm just that little bit safer with meds than large and willing to trade off the dps for it. Not sure where you get 600dps, rats stick close so range isn't an issue beyond one cycle of an mwd; and I wouldn't arty fit either. It's not the most effective but calling it dumb is pretty ignorant. |
PhatController
Kiwis In Space
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:46:00 -
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Used to use a dual medium booster Nighthawk, to run missions faster then a RAven Navy issue even with it's slightly lower max dps, due to being somewhat faster and having better damage application from heavy's vs cruise missiles.
This was before teiricide so don't know how it stands now., |
KnightMaire kings
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.08.31 04:56:00 -
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Any abso fits for pve ? The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.08.31 05:56:00 -
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KnightMaire kings wrote:Any abso fits for pve ?
[Absolution, PvE]
Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Reactive Armor Hardener Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I Auto Targeting System I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II
Hobgoblin II x5
850dps@23+13 / 670dps@40+13km / 535dps@ 83+13km 237dps omnitank (much higher with faction-specific resists) 1148m/s Cap is a little weak and you'll be quite dependant on boosters, but the stats are impressive for sure. |
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