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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2581
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:40:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Well I just listened to the manifesto, and it sounds a bit like James 315 is scared that the miners are going to wreck the game for everyone. It's pretty amusing stuff really, but I cannot see it happening.
Miners are pretty easy to kill for a start... [more stuff]
Thing is, while the ships are easy to kill (etc. etc.), it's not the ~ships~ that they're really talking about, but rather the player with entitlement issues behind the screen at the other end.
Go look in GD, and you'll see two (if not more) threads started by that type of player --> they believe that "hisec should be [100%] safe" and that "CCP should protect them". Pretty much they're calling to make EvE less like EvE and more like "every other MMO out there".
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4348
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:57:00 -
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Syssa Binchiette wrote:
Full quote: still hypocritical
EVE is NOT a PVP only game. Don't like it? COD is calling. Or for an MMO try Aion, that has tons of PvP.
CCP created a supposed "sandbox" game where players could do what they liked. In that sandbox they threw toys other then just PvP.
Miners are going to mine (don't know why, it's boring as hell). Explorers are going to explorer. industrialist are going to make stuff Traders are going to trade. Haulers are going to haul. PvP people are going to shoot each other. PvE people are going to shoot rats. Gankers are going to be idiots.
Groups that don't like what other groups do just have to get over it.
As arguing on a forum is as useful as banging your head into a brick wall (which is not useful at all and I speak from personal experience) I'll just fade out and let the usual suspects fight amongst yourselves.
P.S. Bumping in it's current form is a bug they never fixed. Watching someone get "bumped" is like watching the messed up physics in Goat Simulator, but I digress
i was going to adress this but i can see you have been thoroughly beaten about the head with your own words so instead ill just say , HA! =][= |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5380
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:42:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:You got me.
It is mostly not only.
In fact freighters are "fair game".
If you have evidence to show that CODE is targeting rookies, you should report them to CCP. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
22
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:03:00 -
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That audio clip was hilarious. Loved the wording and tone of it. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
678
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:19:00 -
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Highsec miners you say. Interesting. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20531
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:22:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Highsec miners you say. Interesting. Are you hatching a cunning plan? I hope so, they're usually amusing as hell.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
682
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:28:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Highsec miners you say. Interesting. Are you hatching a cunning plan? I hope so, they're usually amusing as hell.
I already have a cunning plan. What I need is: a) free time b) resources in the form of coders c) donations |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20531
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:34:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Highsec miners you say. Interesting. Are you hatching a cunning plan? I hope so, they're usually amusing as hell. I already have a cunning plan. What I need is: a) free time b) resources in the form of coders c) donations I can't help with a or b, when you're ready to proceed feel free to contact me about donating a prize or two.
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
682
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:40:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Highsec miners you say. Interesting. Are you hatching a cunning plan? I hope so, they're usually amusing as hell. I already have a cunning plan. What I need is: a) free time b) resources in the form of coders c) donations I can't help with a or b, I'm assuming something similar to your past endeavours, when you're ready to proceed feel free to contact me about donating a prize or two.
You will know when the time comes :3 |
Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
4
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:00:00 -
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Highsec miners are no threat to eve, 40+ Man ISboxing Mining Fleets are the real threat. |
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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
4
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:02:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Well I just listened to the manifesto, and it sounds a bit like James 315 is scared that the miners are going to wreck the game for everyone. It's pretty amusing stuff really, but I cannot see it happening.
Miners are pretty easy to kill for a start... [more stuff] Thing is, while the ships are easy to kill (etc. etc.), it's not the ~ships~ that they're really talking about, but rather the player with entitlement issues behind the screen at the other end. Go look in GD, and you'll see two (if not more) threads started by that type of player --> they believe that "hisec should be [100%] safe" and that "CCP should protect them". Pretty much they're calling to make EvE less like EvE and more like "every other MMO out there".
Actually they are calling to make highsec like very other MMO, not "EvE"
I honestly do not understand what your issue is with HIghsec when you live in 0.0. Worry about your own space instead of somewhere light years away you have nothing to do with. There are plenty of things wrong with 0.0 also.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3487
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:35:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Helicity Boson wrote:Highsec miners you say. Interesting. Are you hatching a cunning plan? I hope so, they're usually amusing as hell. I already have a cunning plan. What I need is: a) free time b) resources in the form of coders c) donations
I endorse this plan and/or service.
And killing miners. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Sasha Nyemtsov
57
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Posted - 2014.08.30 06:05:00 -
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Lilly Naari wrote:Velicitia wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Well I just listened to the manifesto, and it sounds a bit like James 315 is scared that the miners are going to wreck the game for everyone. It's pretty amusing stuff really, but I cannot see it happening.
Miners are pretty easy to kill for a start... [more stuff] Thing is, while the ships are easy to kill (etc. etc.), it's not the ~ships~ that they're really talking about, but rather the player with entitlement issues behind the screen at the other end. Go look in GD, and you'll see two (if not more) threads started by that type of player --> they believe that "hisec should be [100%] safe" and that "CCP should protect them". Pretty much they're calling to make EvE less like EvE and more like "every other MMO out there". Actually they are calling to make highsec like very other MMO, not "EvE" I honestly do not understand what your issue is with HIghsec when you live in 0.0. Worry about your own space instead of somewhere light years away you have nothing to do with. There are plenty of things wrong with 0.0 also.
Hi Lilly, can I just place before you a telling quote from James 315?
"everything in EVE is connected. What happens in highsec influences nullsec."
It's taken from his Manifesto II: Part 2 - 'The Carebears Killed Nullsec PvP'.
As luck would have it, that's the very next slice of audio-cake to be released to SouncCloud early to-morrow morning (BST). Drop in and have a listen. I'll introduce it properly at that time.
www.minerbumping.com |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5398
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Posted - 2014.08.30 06:53:00 -
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Helicity Boson wrote:b) resources in the form of coders
10 GOTO 30 20 PRINT "HELLO WORLD" 30 END
I help? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.08.30 06:53:00 -
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Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Hi Lilly, can I just place before you a telling quote from James 315?
"everything in EVE is connected.
Lord help us!
Thats not Jimmy, thats a quote from a speech to said comming from Chief Seattle, but was written Ted Perry.
Chief Seattle all things are connected
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Sasha Nyemtsov
57
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Posted - 2014.08.30 07:32:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Hi Lilly, can I just place before you a telling quote from James 315?
"everything in EVE is connected.
Lord help us! Thats not Jimmy, thats a quote from a speech to said comming from Chief Seattle, but was written by Ted Perry. Chief Seattle all things are connected
Well-grabbed!
I did notice the spoiler beneath the quote: "The words Chief Seattle has become famous for were written by Ted Perry, the screenwriter for home, a 1972 film about ecology."
In the interests of honesty, I should say that, according to Wikipedia, the attribution of the content of the speech is disputed.
Perhaps it was James 315 who wrote the speech for Chief Seattle, then used one of his 4000 alts to ghost it as Ted Perry?
We shall never know.
www.minerbumping.com |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
396
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Posted - 2014.08.30 07:48:00 -
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Gadon Longstar wrote:James 315 is the biggest threat to EVE. If you think about the situation properly without being delusional, it's the only conclusion to come to.
He is responsible for several dozen unsubscribed accounts, perhaps over 100. I got in one little fight and my mom got sacred, she said, "Youre moving with your antie and uncle in Bel Air.
How many people have subscribed because of him by comparison? A couple dozen? loyalanon himself admitted they couldn't find any extra bodies for the alliance tournament if it was needed, so clearly it's not much more than that.
The worst part about James 315 is that he's created a very "us vs us" culture within EVE. It used to be us vs them. Them being the non-EVE MMO gamers.
James 315 has turned high-sec into an elementary school playground and it's killing the game.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
7
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:24:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:This was one of the finest threads on the EVE forums, and actually was one of the things that got me started playing (someone I knew from another online game linked it to me as a joke, 'hey check this out, best gamer forum rant ever', and it meant that I then tried EVE for a second time and now, a couple of years later, I have two accounts).
These voiceovers are pure gold.
A hot, Psychotic, Redhead... What more could you want in a woman? You got a phone number?
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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
7
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:29:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:I think a more accurate way to state the problem is, "Mining is a broken mechanic, but it is so central to the economy of Eve that CCP doesn't dare fool with it much". In hindsight I think CCP understands that mining really needed to be a passive rather than active mechanic -- in fact, I think they applied the lessons they learned with mining to the PI mechanic.
Mining combines the worst aspects of all resource-gathering game mechanics: it is a mechanical, repetitive task that takes place at fixed points in the game world and requires little skill but much time to perform. Eve's mining mechanic cries out for automation -- extensive use of alts and outright botting are inevitable. Tedious, un-fun, but absolutely essential to the game: that's Eve's mining system for you.
Why has such a lousy gaming mechanic persisted for so long? After all, Eve's central mining mechanic is little changed since Eve's launch a decade ago. We've gotten better ships, but essentially the game is the same: warp to belt, point lasers at rocks, then stare with glazed eyes at the screen as your ore-hold fills up. Lather, rinse, repeat. Year after year people complain about how boring and dumb mining is, and year after year CCP does nothing about it. Why? Because Eve's economy would collapse without a daily influx of huge amounts of asteroid ore. Huge amounts. There aren't enough human miners in the game to keep up the flow of ore needed. So botting, while never actually sanctioned, has been more or less accepted as a necessary evil -- as long as the botters don't make it too obvious.
I'm not sure what to propose at this point. If CCP were going to fool with the mining mechanic, they'd have done it by now. I think they're afraid of totally wrecking the economy if they try to change mining too much; any substantial change to mining risks interrupting the flow of ore, which in turn risks interrupting the flow of minerals for ship-building. If I had my way, I'd make mining more like PI where you set up your arrays, turn them on, and let them run.
I dislike botting because it's actually an indicator of a broken game. I don't have any huge moral beef with it apart from the way it disadvantages players who don't bot. But Eve's mining mechanic is so dreadfully tedious and un-fun that automating the activity is the only way to engage in it without going insane.
tl;dr version: botting is the only sane way to deal with Eve's horribly broken mining mechanic. If CCP wants to end botting, they need to change how mining is done, at a fundamental level.
There is a simple fix to this CCP "Could" do. But they would need to refund all the SP for barges etc.
*** Add a Mobile Mining Depo which could be anchored in a belt, which would Mine any Asteroid (Including Ice) within a 50k Radious. Give it a 200,000k Ore Hold, and Put a restriction on it which stated no more then 2-5 Could be anchored at any give time by a single "Account".
How you would actually balance this.... "Shrugs". But it would work regardless.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:49:00 -
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Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:La Rynx wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Hi Lilly, can I just place before you a telling quote from James 315?
"everything in EVE is connected.
Lord help us! Thats not Jimmy, thats a quote from a speech to said comming from Chief Seattle, but was written by Ted Perry. Chief Seattle all things are connected Well-grabbed! I did notice the spoiler beneath the quote: "The words Chief Seattle has become famous for were written by Ted Perry, the screenwriter for home, a 1972 film about ecology." In the interests of honesty, I should say that, according to Wikipedia, the attribution of the content of the speech is disputed. Perhaps it was James 315 who wrote the speech for Chief Seattle, then used one of his 4000 alts to ghost it as Ted Perry?
*facepalm*
You could have checked my link, there is more about the dispute. Since there are more then just one rewrite and all text depict or try to depict Chief Seattles thoughts, it would be hard for the likes of you to say CS could have been an alt of Jimmy.
Oh and its not grabbed -> i noticed (as in knowing and recognising). Its allways important from what sources bad propaganda derives. Jimmy isn't a great writer, he is just a thief. Forum Main |
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
454
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:50:00 -
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Oh my god, please let them do this. This idea makes me as excited as a fat kid at a buffet. No, really. As things stand right now I cannot restrain the urge to crack open every MTU I see just to find out what chocolaty goodness may be inside. This would be like that, but only exponentially more enticing. |
Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
7
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:05:00 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:100% Agreement here
Honestly in my opinion just remove high sec rocks that arent scordite and veldspar, leave rarer ores in site spawns, move ice belts between systems so they arent static and redistribute the loss throughout low and null sec ( especially mexallon ) 1.0 - 0.8 = Veld and Scoridte normal rocks 0.7 - 0.6 = +5% rocks 0.5 = +10% rocks and more frequent anom spawns
Leaves miners with decent ISK/Hr but also makes since lore wise since over 11 years large corps would have depleted most of the high highsec mineral and resource reserves forcing operations to move closer to low and null sec. Also provides incentive to move to more dangerous space and discourages AFK mining due to the increased risk factors at play.
I find it hilarious that you all talk about these things and have the gall to sugest such absurd and asinine ideas without having a bit of knowledge or foresight about how it will actually in reality effect you the PvPer or the general economy itself.
Some points going forward:
1. You do realize that 80% to 90% of all Industry is done in Highsec yes? Including Mining.
2. People do not want to mine in Lowsec, Or they would. This is mostly due to the fact that Mining ships are "Defensless". And Mining in Low sec is a guaranteed death sentence (Which falls on you PvPers). So why would a miner do it? They wouldn't.
3. The EvE economy is fueled by Highsec Miners and Industrialists. CCP has stated this on Numerous occasions. Without the Hoighsec "Carebears". The Economy would collapse. You would be paying 1 billion ISK for a single round of ammo.
Only 5% - 20% of minerals, ships, and Goods on the market come from 0.0 and Lowsec, according to CCPs Manufacturing, Marketing and Industry Charts.
4. PvP Emergent Game-play is the real factor in a miners or industrialists decision not to go to low or null.
Lets look at number 1:
CCP has already confirmed that the vast majority of industry in EvE takes place in Highsec. The goal of the latest industrial patches was to attempt to shift the focus to Null and Lowsec, But failed Miserably because Industry in and of itself, is not the issue.
The issue is the Emergent game-play itself. Specifically, the PvPers. And the way industry happens from the back end IE: Mining.
A miner must get into a defenseless ship, in order to have a mineral income sufficient to supply a markets demands for minerals, which are then used to build ships, ammo etc with. An individual with any intelligence is not going to take said ship into a sector of space where the chance of loosing it is almost 100%.
Even if you offered ore that was worth 1 billion ISK a unit that an NPC station would buy. Very few would take you up on it.
Why?
Because retrospectively, PvPers would 100% Camp these materials and gank every single miner who came within 1 AU of it. Making the addition, Pointless. (Where the focus is concerned,( "Getting miners out of highsec").
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So Reward, has nothing to do with how one should approach this issue. Because the reward in this case to a miner, is NEVER worth the risk, due to the Multiplier of Emergent PvP game-play.
This is why the vast majority of everything is made in an area of space that has a worthwhile risk (The occasional suicide gank) Rather then in an Area of space where the risk is: "You will die almost 100% of the time".
The other reason is because mining takes "Time".. A LONG time.... To gather sufficient minerals to build even a single ship, your talking hours, if not days. (Depending). Null, and Low do not offer the "Time" availability to do this. Sure you can ninja mine, but it will take you 10X the amount of time to gather the same minerals the high-sec miner does.
Why? Again Because of "Emergent" PvP Game-paly. Miners make easy to kill and juicy targets. PvPers want easy to kill and Juicy targets (For the most part).
Point 2:
People do not mine in Low or Null (usually) because it is time consuming, and too risky. In lowsec Combat and PvP is part of survival, so it is asinine to expect someone to go to said space, knowing they have no ability to defend themselves in the ship "Required" to mine ore in the vast quantities needed to supply a stable market.
Give Miners ships with Fat tanks and the ability to pump out DPS, and Miners will start going into low and Null to mine. But then many PvPers would have an issue with this, because then it would be a risk to them to try and kill them. It is blatantly clear that many pvpers only enjoy PvP when they are not at risk.
For example look at the Old Battle Hulk, Used by many miners in lowsec and null once it was discovered that it could kill a battle-cruiser if fitted properly. PvPers sent an outrage of 1000's of posts to the forums "Demanding CCP Nerf the hulk so it couldn't kill them anymore and they could gank in peace again"....
I mean really people..... Really....
Point 3
The economy in EvE is a fluid monstrosity, fueled by players from everywhere right?.... Wrong.
80% Of everything created, Built or made in EvE, is exported from highsec. CCP already confirmed this, and again was the reason for some of the industrial changes which those of us who are actual Industrialist and deal witht he EvE economy, marketing and such things every day, told CCP would not solve the Issue, we even told them what issues it would create, and yet CCP went ahead with it. Lo and Behold...
We told you so never says it enough.
What did we tell CCP?
* It would not make miners and industrialists move because industry was not at the core the issue stopping them from going to null and low to mine and do such.
* It would cause prices to skyrocket (which it has).
* PvPers would still ***** about how highsec miners need to get into 0.0 and lowsec. (Which they do this thread is proof).
> Continued
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Lilly Naari
Enclave Security Forces
7
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:14:00 -
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* CCP was told that the main core issue had to do with the way EvE handled Emergent PvP Gameplay. And that Industry and Mining did not Mesh enough to allow Industrial/PvP Emergent game-play to compensate for the difference.
IE: Defenseless mining vessels.
Point 4:
The real Issue is Emergent PvP Gameplay.
Well what is this? compared to industry it is when CCP gives industry a boost by placeing better refining rates or materials in more riskier space as a motivation for miners to mine there, and PvPers also take advantage of said changes in order to Gank gank gank.
Which has the effect of making all of CCPs work.... Pointless and a waste of time since no miner will care that he or she can get those minerals because it's not worth the risk, since they can;t defend themselves.
BUT EvE is an MMO!!! Work together.
It's a good idea. However 0.0 and lowsec alliances would rather kill miners then protect them. Which again while part of eve makes the changes pointless since Miners and Industrialists will not take advantage of the changes due to such.
Bottom line:
If the player base of EvE want miners to go into lowsec, or null. You need to change your own behavior to encourage them to do so. Atempting to create game mechanics which force miners into low and null will not work, all you will do is cause your ships to cost billions of isk per frigate.
What you do not seem to understand is that Industrialists don't care what minerals are available where. We can buy every thing we need. And you those in low and 0.0 Must accept OUR prices for such. And you also Must accept OUR prices on the market if you choose to "Buy" anything.
So go ahead, remove everything except veldspar from highsec, we will happily jack our prices up to compensate for it. |
Sasha Nyemtsov
57
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Posted - 2014.08.30 10:02:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:La Rynx wrote:Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:Hi Lilly, can I just place before you a telling quote from James 315?
"everything in EVE is connected.
Lord help us! Thats not Jimmy, thats a quote from a speech to said comming from Chief Seattle, but was written by Ted Perry. Chief Seattle all things are connected Well-grabbed! I did notice the spoiler beneath the quote: "The words Chief Seattle has become famous for were written by Ted Perry, the screenwriter for home, a 1972 film about ecology." In the interests of honesty, I should say that, according to Wikipedia, the attribution of the content of the speech is disputed. Perhaps it was James 315 who wrote the speech for Chief Seattle, then used one of his 4000 alts to ghost it as Ted Perry? *facepalm* You could have checked my link, there is more about the dispute. Since there are more then just one rewrite and all text depict or try to depict Chief Seattles thoughts, it would be hard for the likes of you to say CS could have been an alt of Jimmy. Oh and its not grabbed -> i noticed (as in knowing and recognising). Its allways important from what sources bad propaganda derives. Jimmy isn't a great writer, he is just a thief.
Ouch!
I clicked the link you provided, and read enough to be able to endorse what you said in your post. A quick check of Wiki reinforced the 'disputed' nature of the content of the speech.
That was shoddy of me, I know, but come on, hardly worth a facepalm?
James 315 is a writer, and a far better one than either you or me. For any artist it must be true that 'There's nothing new under the Sun'; they simply find new and interesting ways to represent stuff. Whether or not James 315 was influenced by Native American speechmaking or the scribbles of a screenwriter doesn't really matter; he used the idea appropriately, in the context of Eve Online.
'Everything is connected' was not even an original idea when voiced by Chief Seattle/Ted Perry/Charley's Aunt/Currin Trading. It is as old as the hills; older, in fact.
Still, pleased to see you're paying close attention, La Rynx.
Fly Safe!
www.minerbumping.com |
Sasha Nyemtsov
57
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:51:00 -
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Sasha Nyemtsov wrote:]Manifesto II - How Highsec miners threaten EVE, and how we can stop them. James 315's closely argued evisceration of the real threat to EVE. The links take you to the relevant SoundCloud file. New files are initially linked from the MinerBumping Forum by my MB Forum alt, Klaus. If you'd like to discuss the content of the following audio files, I entreat you to do so in a mature and reasonable manner. The AccusationThe Carebears Killed Nullsec PvP
I've added a new audio file to the original post and shuffled stuff around so that any future uploads will be easy to find.
In the latest file 'The Carebears Killed Nullsec PvP' you'll hear more about the poisonous influence of the carebear, and in addition, the golden era of PvP and just why James 315 and his New Order of Highsec are so vital to the future of Eve Online.
The Manifestos retain their relevance because:
GÇ£the New Order philosophy, grounded in the Code and built upon the foundation of its Saviour's Manifestos.GÇ¥ -James 315.
From his famous and hugely entertaining 'Falcon Punch' Blog of Aug 30 2014.
www.minerbumping.com |
Sabriz Adoudel
Mission BLITZ
3507
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Posted - 2014.08.31 10:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Oh yes, even more awesome. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=366607 - Gank incursion runners, win prizes! August 26-Sept 30. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=238931 - an idea for a new form of hybrid PVE/PVP content. www.minerbumping.com - ganking miners and causing chaos |
Rabe Raptor
The Conference Elite CODE.
108
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Posted - 2014.08.31 22:22:00 -
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More and more gold coming from Sasha. Great to hear the "good ol' stuff" again! Together we can make Highsec a better place! www.lawofhighsec.com
Read it, share it, learn it, quote it, memorize it,-á live it, breathe it! |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
127
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Posted - 2014.09.02 00:30:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:tl;dr version: botting is the only sane way to deal with Eve's horribly broken mining mechanic. If CCP wants to end botting, they need to change how mining is done, at a fundamental level. Some people actually enjoy mining because they find it relaxing or they like feeling as though they're contributing to something or they're stoned. Who are you to imply that they're insane for not botting?
There are times, once in a while, when all I want out of my game time is to chill out in a major way. Sometimes when I'm in that mood I fire up the old EvE jukebox song set I saved off into iTunes and point a modestly tanked retriever at some hisec rocks, keep a causal eye on local and dscans, and relax.
So what?
Anyone who thinks that activity (as opposed to rampant afk mining) is what's wrong with the game is welcome to their opinion, and welcome to see if they can find me and convince me it's part of what's wrong with the game. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.02 00:51:00 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:tl;dr version: botting is the only sane way to deal with Eve's horribly broken mining mechanic. If CCP wants to end botting, they need to change how mining is done, at a fundamental level. Some people actually enjoy mining because they find it relaxing or they like feeling as though they're contributing to something or they're stoned. Who are you to imply that they're insane for not botting? There are times, once in a while, when all I want out of my game time is to chill out in a major way. Sometimes when I'm in that mood I fire up the old EvE jukebox song set I saved off into iTunes and point a modestly tanked retriever at some hisec rocks, keep a causal eye on local and dscans, and relax. So what? Anyone who thinks that activity (as opposed to rampant afk mining) is what's wrong with the game is welcome to their opinion, and welcome to see if they can find me and convince me it's part of what's wrong with the game.
On the other hand, I don't expect to be safe doing it...so there's that.
Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the stong-willied need apply.
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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
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Posted - 2014.09.02 01:19:00 -
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Hiply Rustic wrote:On the other hand, I don't expect to be safe doing it...so there's that.
And that's the difference. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
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