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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
250
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Posted - 2014.08.25 13:21:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Marc Durant wrote:Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are actually good for EVE, those are carebear heaven PVE games (don't fall for the "we're fierce PVP space sims" thing, they're not) so tons of bears will flock there and new players of that type will go there first. That means that CCP will (have to) focus more on PVP related content to keep and enhance its niche; less super safe silliness, reverting changes that have been happening for years to make it more mainstream (or at least stopping the inevitableness of it).
It also makes EVE less of a candidate to be taken over by a "larger entity" (EA). It's win-win really. Those games will never have any impact on EVE, in the exact same way that NO game has had an impact on EVE in the last 11 years (despite sooooo many predictions that they would). Not even for the carebears. You see, our 'carebears' complain loudly about the freedom everyone else has (freedom to screw with their carebearing), they lobby CCP for more safety, they crap up both forum and blog with their cries. Then another MMO comes out that caters EXACTLY to what they say they want (protection from 'griefers', 'good/immersive pve', walking around, 'procedural generation', a less stringent 'death penalty' etc etc etc). They go there and play and are happy for 5 minutes. Then they realize that they aren't having fun, because now their are no 'griefers' against which they can measure themselves and give themselves a false sense of 'I'm better than those gankers because I'm nice to people in a spaceship game' superiority. Without the people they claim to hate and want to get away from, they are lost and have no reason to post in threadnaughts or blog incessantly about how terrible people are. Point blank, those carebears need EVE way more than EVE needs their subscription. So while they will always LOUDLY depart EVE, they will of course come back (much more quietly), not because EVE is a great game (it is), but because EVE exposes something about themselves that they both hate and can't live without.
To summarize this wall of text, Eve players are essentially junkies.
An Eve player actually giving up on Eve is like a ****** junkie giving up his drugs:It can happen, but isn't really a chance you should bet on.
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What the hell? Names of drugs are censored? What kind of censorship is this, the stupid kind? |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1371
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Posted - 2014.08.25 13:35:00 -
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Without gameplay and territorial updates EVE is pretty much over for me since last November (I got these updates playing other spaceship MMO games). |
Charax Bouclier
Emerald Drama Theatrics
7
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Posted - 2014.08.25 13:43:00 -
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On the WoW forums, players would always pontificate about whether the game was dying, and whether the next MMO would be the WoW-Killer. These type of threads would go on for years, while the game kept moving on, distributing content.
If a game get stale to you, the problem is with you. A game cannot maintain its freshness for players that have been subscribed for a number of years. It's time for those players to take a break (temporary or extended).
As a new player, EVE is incredibly fresh and exciting and I can see myself subscribing for an extended period as I explore things that many of you have already done countless times.
EVE has a proven track record and eventually people will try it out (it only took me 10 years despite always wondering about it). The game won't die out if you keep attracting and funnelling new players into the machine, and support them during their initial month. From my experience, the tutorial/career missions were solid, rookie and forum help has been top notch, and supplementary information (E-Uni does a great job) has been readily available. The only improvement that needs to happen to retain new pilots is from veteran players to provide viable corporate membership/support to get players involved with the community right away.
In summary, games don't die because long-time vets get bored and jaded provided you keep attracting/supporting new players to enjoy your niche game. |
Prince Kobol
2079
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Posted - 2014.08.25 13:45:00 -
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Only CCP can cause the death of Eve.
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.08.25 13:50:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Marc Durant wrote:Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are actually good for EVE, those are carebear heaven PVE games (don't fall for the "we're fierce PVP space sims" thing, they're not) so tons of bears will flock there and new players of that type will go there first. That means that CCP will (have to) focus more on PVP related content to keep and enhance its niche; less super safe silliness, reverting changes that have been happening for years to make it more mainstream (or at least stopping the inevitableness of it).
It also makes EVE less of a candidate to be taken over by a "larger entity" (EA). It's win-win really. Those games will never have any impact on EVE, in the exact same way that NO game has had an impact on EVE in the last 11 years (despite sooooo many predictions that they would). Not even for the carebears. You see, our 'carebears' complain loudly about the freedom everyone else has (freedom to screw with their carebearing), they lobby CCP for more safety, they crap up both forum and blog with their cries. Then another MMO comes out that caters EXACTLY to what they say they want (protection from 'griefers', 'good/immersive pve', walking around, 'procedural generation', a less stringent 'death penalty' etc etc etc). They go there and play and are happy for 5 minutes. Then they realize that they aren't having fun, because now their are no 'griefers' against which they can measure themselves and give themselves a false sense of 'I'm better than those gankers because I'm nice to people in a spaceship game' superiority. Without the people they claim to hate and want to get away from, they are lost and have no reason to post in threadnaughts or blog incessantly about how terrible people are. Point blank, those carebears need EVE way more than EVE needs their subscription. So while they will always LOUDLY depart EVE, they will of course come back (much more quietly), not because EVE is a great game (it is), but because EVE exposes something about themselves that they both hate and can't live without.
Only ones I see complaining are the self-proclaimed pvprs. I bet you live in nullsec too....don't spend too much time on the forums, you have rent to pay for the nullbear pve.
Oh ya, give your hi-sec alts a holla...woop woop. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7763
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Posted - 2014.08.25 13:54:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:
Only ones I see complaining are the self-proclaimed pvprs. I bet you live in nullsec too....don't spend too much time on the forums, you have rent to pay for the nullbear pve.
Oh ya, give your hi-sec alts a holla...woop woop.
That is an amazing amount of but hurt from a post of less than 50 words. Congrats.
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Marc Durant
105
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Posted - 2014.08.25 14:00:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:It's inevitable this all be passed along to a younger generation coming up that already exhibits signs of lacking any intellectual or imaginative prowess.
This is a very important part. The original crew was amazing (showcased by how they made something amazing; EVE), for a long time now the newer guys have adopted the "that'll do" strategy rather than "make it amazing", they lack the talent, drive and insight.
On top of that the initial devs (and subsequently the game itself) for purely PVP focused where PVE was an afterthought, the new ones seem to lack the pvpers mindset and thus the game becomes more carebear heaven (apart from the obvious "the game becomes more corporate now that it's successful"). Yes, yes-áI am. Thanks for noticing.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7763
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Posted - 2014.08.25 14:11:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:On the WoW forums, players would always pontificate about whether the game was dying, and whether the next MMO would be the WoW-Killer. These type of threads would go on for years, while the game kept moving on, distributing content.
What you mention here is an example of anxiety mixed with a little loss aversion. In general people try to decide if it's a good idea to invest their time in something, and part of that calculation is whether or not that thing will survive for as long as they want to be a part of it.
The speculation about when a game is going to 'die' is no different than people listening to some doomsday preacher about the end of the world, people don't like uncertainty so they seek out people with the answers, or speculate themselves.
Personally i don't worry about EVE ending any more than I worry about dying, it'll happen when it happens, in the mean time it's all hookers and blow for me (in-game, damn random drug tests and a wife with '*****-Radar' IRL).
Quote: If a game get stale to you, the problem is with you. A game cannot maintain its freshness for players that have been subscribed for a number of years. It's time for those players to take a break (temporary or extended).
i've been palying EVE for 7+ years and most days I can't wait to get home from work to play. The people who think the game gets stale after a while are the people for whom a game like this CAN get stale lol. Usually those people get stuck in a rut and don't know how to get themselves out.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
495
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Posted - 2014.08.25 14:14:00 -
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Probably another 2 years it will last, somehow. But given the trends, absent a radical rethink or a EVE 2.0 announcement, it will fade. |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2307
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Posted - 2014.08.25 14:16:00 -
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Derrick Miles wrote:Marc Durant wrote:Elite Dangerous and Star Citizen are actually good for EVE, those are carebear heaven PVE games (don't fall for the "we're fierce PVP space sims" thing, they're not) so tons of bears will flock there and new players of that type will go there first. That means that CCP will (have to) focus more on PVP related content to keep and enhance its niche; less super safe silliness, reverting changes that have been happening for years to make it more mainstream (or at least stopping the inevitableness of it).
It also makes EVE less of a candidate to be taken over by a "larger entity" (EA). It's win-win really. Let me guess, you're a pvper. are you not? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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ChironV
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.08.25 14:21:00 -
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As long as they make the game engaging, complex, brutal, and addictive, I would say another 5 to 10 years. This is all dependent on CCP management not dragging the company into bankruptcy.
CCP's track record with developing other IP's has been less than stellar. Then again they are human and office politics and hubris don't make a good mix. |
Syssa Binchiette
4
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Posted - 2014.08.25 16:00:00 -
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3 years, 7 months, 25 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes, 29 seconds.
or not. Welcome to the preschool sandbox |
Decian Cor
Disconnected. Ineluctable.
153
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Posted - 2014.08.25 16:48:00 -
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Mark my words.....next tuesday. Unfiltered for the masses.
Forum Posting - Basic Common Sense Level - III Grammar Level - III Reading Comprehension - III Facetiousness - III Skin Level- V Trolling Level - V |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
311
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:20:00 -
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apparently it lasts longer then interest to this thread. |
Spurty
V0LTA Triumvirate.
1383
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:27:00 -
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every-time someone types "eve is dying", a goon reaches puberty *signature is not allowed on the EVE Online forums* |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
7947
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Posted - 2014.08.25 18:37:00 -
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EVE should last until downtime.
Sometimes not even that long.. ~ we're flying high, we're watching the world pass us by ~
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1500
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Posted - 2014.08.25 20:14:00 -
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EVE will last until it's Big Downtime in the Sky. *removes Fedora respectfully*
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:19:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Syn Shi wrote:
Only ones I see complaining are the self-proclaimed pvprs. I bet you live in nullsec too....don't spend too much time on the forums, you have rent to pay for the nullbear pve.
Oh ya, give your hi-sec alts a holla...woop woop.
That is an amazing amount of but hurt from a post of less than 50 words. Congrats.
I caused you allot of butthurt, it happens.....that's Eve.....next. |
Anna Shepart
Garbage and Filth Removal Associates
0
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Posted - 2014.08.25 21:45:00 -
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I hope very long time !!
Don-¦t forget it-¦s a sandbox, which means at least 70% of the content is made by the players, this means us.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12789
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:12:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:All MMOGs have a period of expansion, followed immediately by a period of inexorable decline.
EVE's been on a (somewhat volatile) plateau for years.
All games dwindle to few or no players eventually, everything comes to and end.
But with the continuing reworks of old mechanics/code/graphics/etc, "EVE 1" is arguably already ended and we're playing "EVE 2".
In summary I'd give this thread potato out of hammock.
Actually its been gowing more or less for over a decade. Also we are on EVE 32 or something by now. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
114
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:35:00 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:With the subscription we pay comes the right to complain and ***** about it. And even more, people thta *****, whine and moan genuinly care in general, why else would you bother.
I have played many games, but never did a game captivate me too the extend and lenght i decided to out time as a csm in. Eve is in many ways still unique and i dont see any rival that, except promises and vague ideas. The niche thing works for eve, and i woudl happely bralw it out for years with the same players in an ever changing environment, even the current drop in big null is an intresting way to see what people will do, do they have the creativity or look at ccp. Ofc ccp is busy as well there.
So its both love and uniqueness for me personally that drive eve, i couodnt imagine doing something else, so this next decade, yeah, looking forward too it, hope and despair, closely tied
As Core said, Eve is very unique because it is a NICHE game we can either enjoy or hate, and believe me I'm in it for the long run ahead! *Salutes Corebloodbrrothers!* |
Neesa Corrinne
Binary Systems Industries
46
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:37:00 -
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Until CCP kills it.
They keep trying, we keep setting them right. |
Ashlar Maidstone
Kiith Paktu Curatores Veritatis Alliance
114
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:39:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:A caring player makes lots of noise, developers need to be concerned of those saying nothing.
I can agree, you care, I care, we ALL care about Eve overall. Irregardless of all the whining and crying and trolling there are those of us who want to see this universe we all love go onwards.
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Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
96
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Posted - 2014.08.25 22:58:00 -
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Until CCP releases an expansion I hate and everyone quits with me.
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Kudos12345
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:12:00 -
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Let me just quickly consult my Mayan Calendar pocket edition, yes yes it covers this, EVE will end in exactly one minute :) |
45thtiger 0109
89
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:29:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:NO THIS IS NOT AN 'EvE IS DYING' THREAD! I BELIEVE THAT EvE IS VARY MUCH ALIVE ATM!
I hope that EvE will last many more years, but all good things must come to an end at some point whether it's because the servers will shut down or because too few people will play EvE as it becomes unpopular.
So my question is, how many years do you think that EvE will last?
How long is a piece of string !! |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
849
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Posted - 2014.08.25 23:30:00 -
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Marc Durant wrote:Vyl Vit wrote:It's inevitable this all be passed along to a younger generation coming up that already exhibits signs of lacking any intellectual or imaginative prowess. This is a very important part. The original crew was amazing (showcased by how they made something amazing; EVE), for a long time now the newer guys have adopted the "that'll do" strategy rather than "make it amazing", they lack the talent, drive and insight. On top of that the initial devs (and subsequently the game itself) for purely PVP focused where PVE was an afterthought, the new ones seem to lack the pvpers mindset and thus the game becomes more carebear heaven (apart from the obvious "the game becomes more corporate now that it's successful").
I'm going to have to disagree with you on that.
The original dev's and I know there are still a few around Hi TomB! (he was lurking a few months ago so might still be here) may have had vision but a lot of times that dreams were either incomplete or left to rote. I can list a ton of things that were either scrapped and said they would do later, or turned out to be horrible horrible ideas that took years to rectify.
A ton of 'Jesus features' were left unfinished, with promises of coming back to fix them, while ccp then shifted efforts to the next great feature. This is the mentality that has caused the mess we are currently in.
Adding new stuff is great, but when you leave the new stuff to fester in broken or incomplete states, then it might be best to not even issue the new stuff.
PoS's for example were a good fix for the lack of stations in null, but I don't think they should of been combined with sov. That was a mistake, and prolly caused PoS' to not have there functionality change in a long long long time. PoS' came in 2004, and were not changed until at least 2011 with the addition of fuel blocks. And they have remained in states that are difficult to use or even work with easily in places like WH null.
Comet mining, system wide belts, atmospheric flight, Ambulation, PI being more then a click fest, FW, Titans, System Sov, Constellation Sov, Regional Sov, Gate guns, Treaties, the list goes on and on of things either promised but never made for one reason or another, or were made but were so severely broken that it took years to rectify. This thought of 'the good ol' days' is always a tad nearsighted, as you forget what it was like dealing with crap back thing.
As a 10 year vet, I much prefer the releases of today, where I don't have to worry about if I should log into even in the next month as they try to fix bugs and lag. Or if a feature I am excited about, comet mining, is going to scrapped in the 11th hour because they can't do it.
CCP's issues have always been pitching the world but only giving you a small country. So when CCP ***** to realistic perspectives and essentially starts turning eve into EvE 2 people whine of stagnation and game death.
I guess a lot of noobs, and even some vets don't have perspective anymore, or they have forgotten what it was actually like. Grinding towers, pos spam wars, etc were nightmares of themselves.
My point, from my perspective the current state of eve was because things were neglected, due tot he mentality of new is better forget the old stuff we will fix it later. Well welcome to later, everything needs to be fixed, or they can not move forward.
SC, and ED have the luxury of not being out yet. Beta and alpha are fine and dandy, but I have seen games have huge hype and people drooling in alpha and beta, only to see then die a quick death a few months after release.
Both however are good for CCP. Competition is always good, and I suspect Valk, Legion will give ccp a good cash boost just before ED and SC become full games, and if EvE suffers CCP will be able to make drastic changes in a short time with the new release model. Anyway, my point is, the past is never as rosy as people think it was. Because they forget how much of a pita stuff was when compared to todays pita.
In a room full of dumb blondes, EvE is the smart red head on the other side of the room.-á Lots of men like dumb blondes, and not everyone will like the smart red head, but she doesn;t need to change to be a dumb blonde.-á She is perfect how she is.-á Thats EvE vs other mmo's.-á You either like the red head, or you don't. |
Shederov Blood
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1478
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:03:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Those games will never have any impact on EVE... But Star Citizen has more... psssshhhh.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4450
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:18:00 -
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It'll last until CCP HQ goes bar-dar-BUNG-a! Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12793
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Posted - 2014.08.26 00:26:00 -
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Shederov Blood wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Those games will never have any impact on EVE... But Star Citizen has more... psssshhhh.
A whole other level of immersion right there. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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