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Zeet A'Dron
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:42:00 -
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You know, I take a lot of efforts to "protect" myself in this game. As a matter of fact, probably too much for what is suposed to be an entertainment medium.
I'm not raging about being scammed persay. I'm raging about the fact that as far as I could tell there was no counter, no way I could have protected myself (other than outright not using contracts to buy stuff which is the lesson learned here).
I decided I wanted a new ship so I looked on contracts (mistake #1). I found the ship I wanted, fitted and rigged. I double checked, triped checked the contents of the contract to make sure it clearly stated "hulk" "exhumer" , not hulk blue print, but exhumer.
And of course when I completed the contract there was the ******* blue print.
Now, I've been playing this game long enough to realize that its full of scammers and botters. But I have to say I do grow a little tired (really tired actually) of playing a game that **only** has me looking behind my back all the time. Paranoia online? You're likely to develop some form of mental complex finishing the day each day like this.
So how did they do this one? How do you package a blue print to make it look exactly like a ship and when the hell will it be fixed?
Its one thing to get scammed because you weren't paying attention but I'm growing really really tired of all the game mechanics that are there just to screw you over.
Eve is a game of rock paper scissors until it comes to player economy and on a separate side, suicde ganks.
Then its just a rock to the balls and have a nice day.
I guess I know there is always soemthing a player could have done differently, but its a bit depressing that the different thing to do is to simply avoid using CCP's contract system. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
191
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:51:00 -
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Log a petition.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Zeet A'Dron
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:51:00 -
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oh i did, ill let you know how THAT goes. |
Artisan Botanist
Hysteria Nexus
4
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:53:00 -
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Zeet A'Dron wrote: Now, I've been playing this game long enough to realize that its full of scammers and botters. But I have to say I do grow a little tired (really tired actually) of playing a game that **only** has me looking behind my back all the time. Paranoia online? You're likely to develop some form of mental complex finishing the day each day like this.
You may be surprised to hear this, but this sort of thinking will get you very far in business, second guessing and paranoia are the only way you are going to make sure the end product is flawless (or close to).
Also can I have your hulk BPC? |
Ingvar Angst
Nasty Pope Holding Corp Talocan United
581
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:54:00 -
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If it's at Jita and it's on contract, assume it's a scam. I won't buy a ship off contract, period. The marketplace should be the only place people go to buy these... to hell with the contract scammers. Six months in the hole... it changes a man. |
Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:54:00 -
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Zeet A'Dron wrote: I double checked, triped checked the contents of the contract to make sure it clearly stated "hulk" "exhumer" , not hulk blue print, but exhumer.
No you didn't. When looking for a ship actually take the time to right click and show info on the item. If it is a bpc then the bpc window appears, if it is actually a ship the ship info appears; you failed at doing this and just looked at the name and that's what the contract scammer relies on. Many things in the game have the same or very similar names. There was very simple protection as in actually INSPECTING your goods prior to accepting, you didn't and there was no magic work behind the scenes to scam you, you scammed yourself thinking you knew what name to look for when clearly you didn't. |
Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
81
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:54:00 -
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I buy alot of things on Contract... have not fell for a scam once. For the most part scams are pretty obvious, reading them is a perk, making sure is a bonus before you click on accept.
A surprising few contracts are scams... I don't buy things on contract that i can buy on market The Crazy South African.
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:55:00 -
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Well people usually comes to the game with certein level of "personal disorders" to begin with. It just get better in game |
Zeet A'Dron
New Artisian and Mercenary Association
3
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:56:00 -
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Artisan Botanist wrote:Zeet A'Dron wrote: Now, I've been playing this game long enough to realize that its full of scammers and botters. But I have to say I do grow a little tired (really tired actually) of playing a game that **only** has me looking behind my back all the time. Paranoia online? You're likely to develop some form of mental complex finishing the day each day like this.
You may be surprised to hear this, but this sort of thinking will get you very far in business, second guessing and paranoia are the only way you are going to make sure the end product is flawless (or close to). Also can I have your hulk BPC?
Yeah, are you trying to reenforce the idea that Eve is a 2nd job? |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2011.11.23 12:57:00 -
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Some guy bought my Hulk BPC today for a lot of money. I'm pretty happy. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
115
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:01:00 -
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Can you post a screenshot of the contract for us? |
Kurama Bingyi
Burst Of Aggresion The Methodical Alliance
2
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:09:00 -
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I was scammed out of 750mil ISK-worth of ships by Goonwaffe a few months back. I didn't know that they weren't recruiting, but they led me to believe that after a security deposit (which sparked my suspicion) and contracting all ships I wanted to bring with me for transport (which was just about everything I had. A Proteus, a Hyperion, a Drake, two Wolves...). I was actually pretty excited, because I'd -heard- of Goonswarm before and thought it'd be great to join a big Alliance.
Three weeks after doing all of this, no response. I went from 220mil ISK to 70mil ISK to pay for a "security deposit." Concerned, I posted in their Help channel.
"Dude, you got scammed." I raged and quit the game for about three months before coming back just a few days ago. Even posted a rage-induced topic on the old EVE forums that was met with the condescending hostility I came to expect out of the EVE community.
What really frustrates me, though, is that just about everyone I've come across are greedy bastards who'd rather lead me on and then give me nothing when I want to try and get everything back.
I understand why, but seriously. It's really frustrating. "Nay," responded Kurama Bingyi, "to crush your enemies, to see them fall at your feet - to take their horses and goods and hear the lamentation of their women. That is best." |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:17:00 -
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This must have been a private contract or done from an alt - not the char you are posting with.
In game: Bring up someone's char info. Upper left corner are the stacked bars. Click that. Chose "Show Contracts"
That will show any/all finished public contracts a character (or corporation if corp info is checked) has done. Private contracts don't show.
This works for individuals and corporations. Example: You show no public contracts executed from nor to your character. Your corporation shows 3 contracts - last one done back in February for a 5 copy Covetor BPC... |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
222
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:26:00 -
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I just want to throw out there that A: I'm a Bat Country recruiter and B: Goons don't scam, ever. Notify: You are eaten by the Whumpus
http://goo.gl/uX5vk |
Daedalus Arcova
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
163
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:27:00 -
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You obviously weren't careful enough.
There is a tick box in the contracts search window that lets you search for 'Exact item type'. Mark that if you want to make sure you're only seeing Hulks, and not Hulk blueprints.
If a contract appears to have a ship and rigs in it, make sure the rigs are fitted. The contract info will tell you if they are. If they're not clearly stated as being fitted, be suspicious.
Finally, as others have suggested, show info on anything in the contract you want to check.
I often buy ships on contract, and have got some very good deals there. Never been scammed yet. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
210
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:29:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I just want to throw out there that A: I'm a Bat Country recruiter and B: Goons don't scam, ever.
*Looks behind her back.*
She is crossing her fingers! Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
159
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:33:00 -
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Mocam wrote:This must have been a private contract or done from an alt - not the char you are posting with.
In game: Bring up someone's char info. Upper left corner are the stacked bars. Click that. Chose "Show Contracts"
That will show any/all finished public contracts a character (or corporation if corp info is checked) has done. Private contracts don't show.
This works for individuals and corporations. Example: You show no public contracts executed from nor to your character. Your corporation shows 3 contracts - last one done back in February for a 5 copy Covetor BPC...
Check his CEO's contracts.
In that contract, it's listed as a "hulk blueprint - mining barge blueprint - BLUEPRINT COPY".
Also, the mods are not indented like fitted mods are in a contract. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
1230
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Posted - 2011.11.23 13:38:00 -
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Kurama Bingyi wrote:I was scammed out of 750mil ISK-worth of ships by Goonwaffe a few months back. I didn't know that they weren't recruiting, but they led me to believe that after a security deposit (which sparked my suspicion) and contracting all ships I wanted to bring with me for transport (which was just about everything I had. A Proteus, a Hyperion, a Drake, two Wolves...). I was actually pretty excited, because I'd -heard- of Goonswarm before and thought it'd be great to join a big Alliance.
Three weeks after doing all of this, no response. I went from 220mil ISK to 70mil ISK to pay for a "security deposit." Concerned, I posted in their Help channel.
"Dude, you got scammed." I raged and quit the game for about three months before coming back just a few days ago. Even posted a rage-induced topic on the old EVE forums that was met with the condescending hostility I came to expect out of the EVE community.
What really frustrates me, though, is that just about everyone I've come across are greedy bastards who'd rather lead me on and then give me nothing when I want to try and get everything back.
I understand why, but seriously. It's really frustrating.
Maybe if you try to earn your way into a group instead of buying your way in, you'll be seen as someone worth recruiting rather someone who's only worth scamming.
I've never been scammed* because I assume that if someone else is setting up a deal, they know what they're doing. Consequently when I see a rigged & fitted Hulk contract advertised in Jita for less than the local market price, I know that it's a scam even if I cant immediately see how it's a scam.
Occasionally I amuse and educate myself in Jita by decrypting the less obvious scams (it's a bit like doing a crossword). For instance, I wasn't aware that the T3 subsystem skillbooks are rather misleadingly labelled in contracts. But in even less time than I took to work that one out, you could have found out that goons have been recruit-scamming people for over half a decade. It's not like it's a secret.
*Or if I have, it was done so subtly that I'm not even aware of it. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
126
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:04:00 -
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Zeet A'Dron wrote:oh i did, ill let you know how THAT goes.
"Our logs show nothing. Thank you for you time please fuk off!" -á"Nerf it cause I can't fly it". I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
386
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:30:00 -
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Kurama Bingyi wrote:I was scammed out of 750mil ISK-worth of ships by Goonwaffe a few months back. I didn't know that they weren't recruiting, but they led me to believe that after a security deposit (which sparked my suspicion) and contracting all ships I wanted to bring with me for transport (which was just about everything I had. A Proteus, a Hyperion, a Drake, two Wolves...). I was actually pretty excited, because I'd -heard- of Goonswarm before and thought it'd be great to join a big Alliance.
Three weeks after doing all of this, no response. I went from 220mil ISK to 70mil ISK to pay for a "security deposit." Concerned, I posted in their Help channel.
"Dude, you got scammed." I raged and quit the game for about three months before coming back just a few days ago. Even posted a rage-induced topic on the old EVE forums that was met with the condescending hostility I came to expect out of the EVE community.
What really frustrates me, though, is that just about everyone I've come across are greedy bastards who'd rather lead me on and then give me nothing when I want to try and get everything back.
I understand why, but seriously. It's really frustrating.
well, while I can understand your position you have to also realize that getting scammed by GS is nothing new, in fact its well doccumneted. EVEN THEIR OWN RECRUITMENT PAGE WARNS TO NEVER GIVE A RECRUITER YOUR MONEY OR STUFF
think of it as your entrance exam, you took the test and failed now if you had said "**** off" and followed the rest of the instructions on the GS page you would probably be ganking ice miners now and not lone-wolfing the forums
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
346
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Posted - 2011.11.23 14:43:00 -
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Sorry, i can't believe that someone who would really take precautions would end up with a BPC instead of the actual ship. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Doctor Ungabungas
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
53
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Posted - 2011.11.23 15:23:00 -
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Don't buy anything off the contract system that is freely avaiable from the market you giant screaming ******. |
Heian Galanodel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1
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Posted - 2011.11.23 15:38:00 -
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Kurama Bingyi wrote:I was scammed out of 750mil ISK-worth of ships by Goonwaffe a few months back. I didn't know that they weren't recruiting, but they led me to believe that after a security deposit (which sparked my suspicion) and contracting all ships I wanted to bring with me for transport (which was just about everything I had. A Proteus, a Hyperion, a Drake, two Wolves...). I was actually pretty excited, because I'd -heard- of Goonswarm before and thought it'd be great to join a big Alliance. .
Dude. I feel ya man. The exact same thing happened to me. I wasn't too happy about giving 250mill over to a guy so I checked there website and it told me in big red letters "If you paid to get into Goonswarm you've been scammed and **** out of luck." Well I did just that even after reading it in plain English. Hard to admit but I deserved that wallet hit. Learned a lesson though. :) Gotta be happy about something.
Proud Member of the Black Thorne Alliance
We make BIG SHIPS. We also sell them. |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
16
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:02:00 -
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Zeet A'Dron wrote:You know, I take a lot of efforts to "protect" myself in this game. As a matter of fact, probably too much for what is suposed to be an entertainment medium.
I'm not raging about being scammed persay. I'm raging about the fact that as far as I could tell there was no counter, no way I could have protected myself (other than outright not using contracts to buy stuff which is the lesson learned here).
I decided I wanted a new ship so I looked on contracts (mistake #1). I found the ship I wanted, fitted and rigged. I double checked, triped checked the contents of the contract to make sure it clearly stated "hulk" "exhumer" , not hulk blue print, but exhumer.
And of course when I completed the contract there was the ******* blue print.
Now, I've been playing this game long enough to realize that its full of scammers and botters. But I have to say I do grow a little tired (really tired actually) of playing a game that **only** has me looking behind my back all the time. Paranoia online? You're likely to develop some form of mental complex finishing the day each day like this.
So how did they do this one? How do you package a blue print to make it look exactly like a ship and when the hell will it be fixed?
Its one thing to get scammed because you weren't paying attention but I'm growing really really tired of all the game mechanics that are there just to screw you over.
Eve is a game of rock paper scissors until it comes to player economy and on a separate side, suicde ganks.
Then its just a rock to the balls and have a nice day.
I guess I know there is always soemthing a player could have done differently, but its a bit depressing that the different thing to do is to simply avoid using CCP's contract system.
Sometimes the word 'Blueprint' isn't shown if the colum width isn't wide enough or the window width is too small. I made the same mistake with what I thought was a rigged Itty 5. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
350
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:34:00 -
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I particularly like the ones where they are selling an item like a PLEX, and as part of the purchase price they require that item in return. So you pay your money and get the item, but it is then instantly yanked back out of your hanger to complete the transaction. Very basic, but apparently surprisingly effective. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Sekket
White-Noise
5
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I particularly like the ones where they are selling an item like a PLEX, and as part of the purchase price they require that item in return. So you pay your money and get the item, but it is then instantly yanked back out of your hanger to complete the transaction. Very basic, but apparently surprisingly effective.
Gotta go I, uh, left the oven on in the spaceship... - CQ isn't a refuge, it's a cage. |
Psychophantic
113
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:51:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: Maybe if you try to earn your way into a group instead of buying your way in, you'll be seen as someone worth recruiting rather someone who's only worth scamming.
You can earn your way in by buying a membership to SA forums, hitting yourself in the head with a hammer a few times and then contributing to the meaningful discussions. |
Nephilius
Pillage and Plunder Salvage Co.
47
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Posted - 2011.11.23 16:52:00 -
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Mara Tessidar wrote:I just want to throw out there that A: I'm a Bat Country recruiter and B: Goons don't scam, ever.
Exactly. The correct terminology is bamboozle. If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |
Petrus Blackshell
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
37
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:17:00 -
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Isn't the icon for a blueprint... you know... blue? As in, looks nothing like the actual item it's a blueprint of?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
216
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Posted - 2011.11.23 18:45:00 -
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I got scammed in RL once - got married. Why do women have to be such scammers?
Anyway, I learned to watch my back before I started playing this game, and never got scammed. Am I doing it right? |
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