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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
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Posted - 2015.05.01 23:43:43 -
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Just lost my Enyo to Burner Daredevil. Something has changed: needed to have my 2x Webs overheated all the time. Lost them - then after 11km my rails stopped to hit burner.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
19
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Posted - 2015.05.02 00:02:42 -
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hmm such hidden changes are blaming ccp. |
RadioControlled
Joint Empire Squad
4
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Posted - 2015.05.02 07:02:41 -
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Daredevil appears to have been "more kity" for a few weeks, at least in my experience. Faction webs or heat help a lot, getting lucky on the initial tackle (i.e. lock and web @ 2 - 3 km distance in stead of 5 km) helps more - but that appears to be more luck - based.
Even if the DD reaches that distance, dual webs and the resistance profile of a decently fit Enyo should still make it the easiest burner to take down on rails (and 1 drone) alone, imho. |
Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
78
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Posted - 2015.05.02 12:26:52 -
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Jorie, thanks for keeping this thread up to date.
This is how I'd been killing the Prophecy (now Ashimmu) on SISI. I haven't faced him live yet.
[Gila, Gila - AshiMOOMOO Kill] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Shield Power Relay II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II
Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II Heavy Missile Launcher II
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hammerhead II x10 Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
I haven't timed it, but I'd ballpark it in the 3-4 minute range.
Strategy works like this: Arrive in pocket, activate AB and set yourself to orbit the Ashi at ~55km. Lock the Sentinels and put drones and HMLs on them. They will die quickly. Target the Ashi and repeat. You are not fast enough to outrun him, but with AB running you'll buy some time. He will kill drones so be mindful and keep dumping them out to feed the beast and continue dps.
This fit breaks a few rules. It's a passive tank, and the regen rate WILL NOT (read again: WILL NOT) survive full aggro from the Ashi for a sustained amount of time. You're trusting that his lust for drones will soak some of the damage. In testing, he would kill 3-4 drones per run.
NOTE: As I post this, I realize that I didn't re-check inbound damage type. I may have the wrong rig listed. I went in assuming he was doing EM and Therm but don't know that to be true. The fit worked repeatably on SISI, but like most things could be made better.
I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).
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Abavus Durden
Pukin' Dogs
78
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Posted - 2015.05.02 12:39:46 -
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Two more things: 1) My general Mosaic Launch post is here: http://evedogsbreath.blogspot.com/2015/04/anomic-base.html
It includes the full text of both of the new missions and links to my sisi battle reports, such as they are.
2) This is my Deimos fit. It is going to be slower (less dps) than the fit that Jorie linked, but the dual repper maybe offers some insurance. Since I am personally very bad at cap injection, it also uses Cap Rechargers instead of the painters. If you don't have all skills at V or want a more conservative starting point, this might be a fit to consider.
[Deimos, Abavus Durden's Talos Hunter] Medium Armor Repairer II Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Kinetic Membrane II Energized Thermic Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
10MN MWD II Medium Capacitor Booster II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II Heavy Ion Blaster II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II Medium Anti-Thermic Pump II
Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Federation Navy Antimatter Charge M Navy Cap Booster 400
Strategy is basically the same as Jorie posted. Put the dual reppers out of phase (start one, then wait, then start the 2nd).
Get in, get moving, and pick a target. Spiral in carefully (I use the orbit buttons once we are close enough, right click to get different orbit ranges). With the MWD speed to mitigate damage, I basically hit approach when I get under 50km and come straight at him, but watch for wrecking shots and adjust. I also tend to shoot at the FAR RIGHT Talos first - just to get as far as possible from the FAR LEFT one. So my kill order is RIGHT, CENTER, LEFT.
The EC-300s are in the hull because early on I was toying with them to help mitigate damage, but honestly they are no longer required.
I had run this many times on sisi with an AB instead of MWD. Under AB it is a 15 minute fight (vs. ~5-7) and you have to be MUCH more careful about keeping transversal up and spiraling into the target carefully. But cap is MUCH less of an issue.
Take as many Cap Booster 400s as you can. With this fit, I manually turn the injector on or off depending how I am doing.
Lastly, same note as before - I haven't rechecked the desired resist profile lately. This fit worked as of the Monday before Mosaic launch, but might need tweaked if anyone has the damage profile. |
Thorondir 42
Krittapong
1
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:08:26 -
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Abavus Durden wrote:
I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).
DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there. |
Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
239
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Posted - 2015.05.02 14:42:36 -
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Thorondir 42 wrote:Abavus Durden wrote:
I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).
DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there.
Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range?
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
--áAbrazzar
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Thorondir 42
Krittapong
1
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Posted - 2015.05.02 15:00:18 -
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Jori McKie wrote:Thorondir 42 wrote:Abavus Durden wrote:
I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).
DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there. Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range?
Yes, only DPS from the ashimmu and the sentinels .. no NOS/web/scrampler.
They took me down to 10% armor in roughly 10-15 secs |
Kathleen Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.03 12:59:49 -
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Ran the team burner - Jaguar with the kiting Garmur in an Incursion area
No affect on the team burner
Lost 50% of the bounty to Incursion affects
Did not notice any changes to Jaguar - still the fastest burner re range - set orbit 35 and it fluctuates 30-45 |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1622
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Posted - 2015.05.03 14:16:50 -
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Update for taloses: location is deadspace so no warps around. Warping leads right into bunch of turrets but they don't shoot.
Looted faction stuff for about 180 million ISK
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
603
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Posted - 2015.05.03 19:59:38 -
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Thorondir 42 wrote:Jori McKie wrote:Thorondir 42 wrote:Abavus Durden wrote:
I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).
DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there. Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range? Yes, only DPS from the ashimmu and the sentinels .. no NOS/web/scrampler. They took me down to 10% armor in roughly 10-15 secs
Can anyone confirm this? |
Tore Smith
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2015.05.03 21:59:32 -
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yes i can confirm it. just lost a cerb this way. smashing hits right from the start. thought when i get some distance the dmg will decrease but to no avail. was about 70km away when he killed me. well back to eft and think of something else... |
Londo M
Centauri Prime Mining and Trading
0
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Posted - 2015.05.04 19:27:29 -
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I used Abavus's Gila fit (thanks!) on live and killed the Ashimmu burner. No exact time as I ran out of drones and after I knocked out the Sentinels I had to warp out to get some more drones. Needless to say it was very aggressive on drones. It seems like the Ash was attacking them as soon as they were launched. It was expensive to beat as I had upgraded the drones to the Federation Navy Hammerheads in hopes they would last longer. I never lost more than 25% of my shields though as he went straight for the drones as soon as they were out. In total I lost 11 drones. Next time will use Hammerhead IIs on the Sentinels and save a couple of Federation Navy ones for the Ash and try to manage them a little better.
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Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
43
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Posted - 2015.05.05 13:34:20 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Thorondir 42 wrote:Jori McKie wrote:Thorondir 42 wrote:Abavus Durden wrote:
I'm putting this out there mostly to provoke some thought. Jorie's Cerb fit looks a lot safer (wish I'd thought of it, hah).
DO NOT USE the Cerb. They buffed the Ashimmu to hit at least out to 70km+ .. i barely got out. This buff must have appeared after the releast to tranquility as i tested his fit on wednesday on sisi, but yesterday it nearly killed me on tranquility. I was unable to test on Sisi as no missions were avaible there. Any more information? The Ashimmu hit to 70km+ but only DPS right, i assume it didn't NOS or webbed you at this range? Yes, only DPS from the ashimmu and the sentinels .. no NOS/web/scrampler. They took me down to 10% armor in roughly 10-15 secs Can anyone confirm this?
Sisi is running a version very close to tranquility, so i tried the cerberus on sisi today: (The agent on sisi still only offer the two burner missions)
[ 2015.05.05 13:15:14 ] (None) Jumping from Penirgman to Chaven [ 2015.05.05 13:17:07 ] (notify) You cannot do that while warping. [ 2015.05.05 13:17:10 ] (notify) You cannot do that while warping. [ 2015.05.05 13:17:13 ] (notify) Please wait... [ 2015.05.05 13:17:19 ] (combat) 640 from Burner Ashimmu - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:22 ] (combat) 857 from Burner Ashimmu - Penetrates [ 2015.05.05 13:17:25 ] (combat) 657 from Burner Ashimmu - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:27 ] (combat) 66 from Burner Sentinel - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:28 ] (combat) 465 from Burner Ashimmu - Grazes [ 2015.05.05 13:17:29 ] (combat) 118 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes [ 2015.05.05 13:17:30 ] (combat) 488 to Burner Sentinel - Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:31 ] (combat) 50 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes [ 2015.05.05 13:17:31 ] (combat) 485 from Burner Ashimmu - Penetrates [ 2015.05.05 13:17:32 ] (combat) 589 to Burner Sentinel - Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:33 ] (combat) 50 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes [ 2015.05.05 13:17:34 ] (combat) 592 to Burner Sentinel - Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:35 ] (combat) 78 from Burner Sentinel - Hits [ 2015.05.05 13:17:35 ] (combat) 77 from Burner Sentinel - Grazes [ 2015.05.05 13:17:37 ] (combat) 388 from Burner Sentinel - Wrecks
Needless to say that the cerb didn't last long..
Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, w+ñhrend des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
1095
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:01:26 -
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March rabbit wrote:Just lost my Enyo to Burner Daredevil. Something has changed: needed to have my 2x Webs overheated all the time. Lost them - then after 11km my rails stopped to hit burner.
didn't the daredevil always try to orbit at 11km?
@ChainsawPlankto
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1627
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Posted - 2015.05.05 14:06:05 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:March rabbit wrote:Just lost my Enyo to Burner Daredevil. Something has changed: needed to have my 2x Webs overheated all the time. Lost them - then after 11km my rails stopped to hit burner. didn't the daredevil always try to orbit at 11km? As far as i know it does. But previously Enyo with 2x Webs was able to keep Devil in tange. Which was not the case last time.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kathleen Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.05 16:41:16 -
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Slow and steady on Singularity
[Onyx, Slow and steady)
Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Shield Power Relay II Reactor Control Unit II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [Empty High slot]
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
time 9min Warp in and take down Sentinals 1st and 2nd using Caldari Scourge light Set orbit to 25 km but consistantlt remaied in 15 km range to Ashimmu - speed of 100 m/s mitigates some damage Boost early from 15 % shield damage - used 12 Navy Cap Booster 800 in total ending up at 50% shield Shield gets to 15% remaining before 2nd sentinal is killed After that boost as req and to level of damage acceptance , allowing for the odd wrecking shot Swop to Scourge Fury for the Ashimmu
and wait 1 min for cap to regen to be able to warp anywhere :)
no overheat used on missiles or XL ASB
Hams perform poorly . HML lack the ability to take down the Ashimmu , ending in stalemate where you die a loooong slow death
Skills mostly 5 \4
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Pakokkie
Under Heavy Fire Mordus Angels
79
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Posted - 2015.05.05 21:37:32 -
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Mission: Anomic Base, kill 3 Talos, avoid turrets.
5 May 2015 Finished the Anomic Base mission. Used the Deimos and did not use faction mods, only t2 and the t2 rigs. Used some extra time to maneuvre and armor never got below 60%. Never received aggro from the turrets, they look scary. Once you are at close range the Talos dies fairly quick. Loot drop was total crap.
But what realy made it easy was the booster alt with Federation Navy Mindlink and running all t2 warfare links and 1 t2 Rapid deployment link.
Picture of the mission finished
The LP reward is out of balance compared to the burner missions. |
DarkS1ayeR
RUS Galaxy Spiritus
0
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Posted - 2015.05.05 21:48:31 -
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lost 2 cerb... hitting within 70+ km badly..... all those videos hes not attacking you. 900 hp per git sentinels fly **** fast need DPS on them or you scrambled and died.. i desire next time run T2 heavy missiles within 100+ km. also ashimu within 30 km dis web and neut. |
Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
240
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Posted - 2015.05.06 11:51:03 -
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Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Brawling setups with ASB+shield Buffer General advise - All numbers are with an all V EFT char, no imps, no booster. - You need X-Large ASB and minimum 50k EHP with a large shield buffer vs 50:50 EM:Therm, if you don't have 50k EHP with your skills the setups do not work as you won't survive the ASB reload. - Make sure your shield is as close to 100% as possible when you used your last ASB charge so you will survive the reload. Always OH your ASB - RLML or Drones are both possible weapon systems - You will lose Drones so Drone setups aren't cost-efficient, especially the Gila setup will cost you ~7x Vespa II roughly 4.5m.
Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Ishtar - Always kill the Sentinels first use Hobgoblin II or Hornet II, not much of a difference. - Use Wasp II vs the Ashimmu - Try to orbit the Ashimmu as good as possible
Time to kill ~5:05min DPS 248 with Hobgoblin II vs Sentinel 744 with Wasp II vs Ashimmu Tank 55.4k EHP with 8313 shield hitpoints 1411 with OH on the ASB vs 50:50 EM:Therm Speed 231m/s
Quote:[Ishtar, Burner Ashimmu] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 'Deuce' Co-Processor I
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet II x5 Hornet II x5 Wasp II x5 Wasp II x5 Wasp II x1 Time to kill ~min (not tested yet) DPS 262 with Hobgoblin II + 27 Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S vs Sentinel 787 with Wasp II + 27 Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S vs Ashimmu Tank 58.7k EHP with 8313 shield hitpoints 1520 with OH on the ASB vs 50:50 EM:Therm Speed 231m/s
Quote:[Ishtar, Burner Ashimmu pimped] Damage Control II Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Co-Processor
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S [empty high slot] 250mm Light Artillery Cannon II, Republic Fleet Carbonized Lead S
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet II x5 Hornet II x5 Wasp II x5 Wasp II x5 Wasp II x1
Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila - Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all. - Always kill the Sentinels first use Vespa II vs both - Try to orbit the Ashimmu as good as possible, Ashimmu+Sentinel will run from you so don't bother with Rockets. - Because the Vespa II has 0% EM resistance don't bother with a Medium Drone Durability Enhancer II. I tried Infiltrator II and Hammerhead II with Medium Drone Durability Enhancer II to check if they are tanking better, kill time was actually worse. - You might try a Drone Navigation Computer to get a better warp speed for your Drones
Time to kill ~4:10min DPS 595 with Vespa II + 44 with Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Tank 57.5k EHP with 10563 shield hitpoints 1171 with OH on the ASB vs 50:50 EM:Therm Speed 244m/s
Quote:[Gila, Burner Ashimmu] Internal Force Field Array I Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Vespa II x2 Vespa II x8 Time to kill ~min (not tested yet) DPS 630 with Vespa II + 67 with Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Tank 57.7k EHP with 10563 shield hitpoints 1181 with OH on the ASB vs 50:50 EM:Therm Speed 244m/s
Quote:[Gila, Burner Ashimmu pimped] Internal Force Field Array I Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Imperial Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Pithum B-Type EM Ward Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Navigation Computer Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script
Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [empty high slot] Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile [empty high slot] Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Vespa II x2 Vespa II x8
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
--áAbrazzar
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1630
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:12:52 -
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Jori McKie wrote: Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila - Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all.
I'm curious: why not use T1 cheap drones to just make burner look to other side? I mean take Gila, fit it for maximum missile damage. Deploy drones, return drones, deploy drones, return drones,... Ignore Sentinels and kill Ashimmu right from the start. As you said they constantly aggro drones, so if you perform deploy/return fast enough you won't lose drones and you won't have incoming EWAR/DPS from burners?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
240
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Posted - 2015.05.06 12:20:13 -
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March rabbit wrote:Jori McKie wrote: Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila - Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all.
I'm curious: why not use T1 cheap drones to just make burner look to other side? I mean take Gila, fit it for maximum missile damage. Deploy drones, return drones, deploy drones, return drones,... Ignore Sentinels and kill Ashimmu right from the start. As you said they constantly aggro drones, so if you perform deploy/return fast enough you won't lose drones and you won't have incoming EWAR/DPS from burners?
Sounds good try it, i have no idea how the Drone AI is triggered. It might be that only after your Drones did damage, Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them, it might not.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
--áAbrazzar
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
606
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Posted - 2015.05.06 14:49:24 -
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How much dps is the Ashimmu putting out? Possible to fit up a passive tank Nighthawk for this? |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1630
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Posted - 2015.05.06 15:00:07 -
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Jori McKie wrote:March rabbit wrote:Jori McKie wrote: Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Gila - Gila setup is weird because after you launch Drones Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them 100% all the time. So as long as you have Drones you actually won't need tank and have enough cap but as Drone AI is wonky i wouldn't risk a no tank setup on the Gila at all.
I'm curious: why not use T1 cheap drones to just make burner look to other side? I mean take Gila, fit it for maximum missile damage. Deploy drones, return drones, deploy drones, return drones,... Ignore Sentinels and kill Ashimmu right from the start. As you said they constantly aggro drones, so if you perform deploy/return fast enough you won't lose drones and you won't have incoming EWAR/DPS from burners? Sounds good try it, i have no idea how the Drone AI is triggered. It might be that only after your Drones did damage, Ashimmu+Sentinel will target them, it might not. You wrote '... target them 100% all the time". I take it like: immediately after you deploy drones you lose aggro from burners and drones take damage. Sorry if it is not the case
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation
240
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Posted - 2015.05.06 15:13:24 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:How much dps is the Ashimmu putting out? Possible to fit up a passive tank Nighthawk for this? Nighthawk = Commmand Ship aren't allowed in there. With Command Ships allowed those Burner missions would be a joke.
March rabbit wrote: You wrote '... target them 100% all the time". I take it like: immediately after you deploy drones you lose aggro from burners and drones take damage. Sorry if it is not the case
I'm not 100% sure, again AI thing but from what i got Drones have to aggro before they got shot. I will clear that up in the original post.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."
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March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
1630
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Posted - 2015.05.06 21:03:41 -
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Just lost my Comet (fit from recommended with little pimped modules to make it safer) to Burner Worm in system with active Incursion. Couldn't not break his tank and my tank was not enough to sustain incoming DPS. Created ticket with question if burners are affected by Incursion or not.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Kathleen Yotosala
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.05.07 07:13:15 -
[477] - Quote
Have run 2x Team burner in Incursion and was unaffected bar the reduced bounty which comes up after the payment |
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
43
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Posted - 2015.05.07 23:52:06 -
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Just gave the Ashimmu another shot with the Cerberus on sisi:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5728593#post5728593
Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, w+ñhrend des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)
english is not my native
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jackudza
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
49
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Posted - 2015.05.08 11:48:13 -
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Jori McKie wrote: Burner Ashimmu+Sentinel - Brawling setups ... - You will lose Drones so TII Drones setups aren't cost-efficient. TI Drones work fine on the Gila and are cost and time efficient. ... - Gila TII Drones will be targeted 100% all the time after your Drones aggroed, in contrast TI Drones most of the times will be only targeted by the Sentinels but not always by the Ashimmu. So use TI Drones with this setup. - After warp in align away from the Ashimmu to buy time, kill the Sentinels first. ...
Not always true. Sometimes T2 drones do not get agro from Ashimmu at all. Ashimmu Burner Base - Gila T2 Anyway even if Ashimmu targets drones it is easy to return the targeted drone to drone bay and use the one that was not damaged yet. Repair costs about 500K.
Used the following setup multiple times. More than enough tank
[Gila, Ashimmu T2] Ballistic Control System II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II EM Ward Amplifier II EM Ward Amplifier II Thermic Dissipation Amplifier II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Vespa II Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
or your can use pimp setup, but really do not necessary
[Gila, Ashimmu Pimp] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier Federation Navy Drone Damage Amplifier
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link, Tracking Speed Script Pithum A-Type EM Ward Amplifier Pithum A-Type Thermic Dissipation Amplifier
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Vespa II Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
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Jori McKie
New Caldari Bureau of Investigation The Camel Empire
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Posted - 2015.05.08 12:08:52 -
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@jackudza The NPC AI vs Drones is erratic and the Time to kill difference between TI and TII Drones is marginal. TII Drones disadvantage is you have to babysit to avoid them getting killed. That cost you micromanagment and time due to recalling them. After all it is just easier, time and cost efficient to lose a T1 Drone and launch a new one.
I will add your fits to my list anyway.
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