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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:09:00 -
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Greetings,
I am Nemo, Second-in-Command of the Nova Corps Marines. I started off my EVE existance WH diving and it has been almost a year and a half since I have ventured inside of W-space. To be quite frank I miss it dearly. I am posting this thread with one simple question.
Are there any WH corporation and or allainces that would be willing to sit down with myself and discuss possible blue status for my corporation and or assistance in setting up a C1-C3 outpost.
I am not asking to become a renter, nor am I asking for pet status. All I am asking is a little assistance in breaking back into w-space with a possibility of not dying every six seconds. please contact me either in game or on here if you have any interest in what I posted above.
Thank you very much for your time and consideration in this matter,
Nemo |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
427
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:38:00 -
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Do you mean like share a wh with someone? Cause thats not gonna happen....
However I'd be willing to set something up for renting the c1-c3 of your choice Blue-Fire Best Fire |
TomyLobo
U2EZ
136
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:46:00 -
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I currently have a C4 with C3/C1 statics for sale. I can help with moving in and getting your pos up. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
684
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:46:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Do you mean like share a wh with someone? Cause thats not gonna happen....
It actually does but its somewhat rare. Don't expect to join an alliance solely to setup a pos, but that does not mean you cannot dive holes, find a small group, make friends and make an alliance yourself, incorporate the other group and have happy wormhole times together.
I say the above because I've been in both situations before in a prior life.
1) Yup shared a wormhole with another alliance that was not apart of our own. 2) Yup met a friendly wormhole corp (small corp), and we became an alliance.
Its possible, but most likely, you will have to do all communications ingame, as the forums probably not the "audience" you want (You'll be more open to scamming).
I would start your search by hole diving, getting some practice pew, and see what happens.
Don't expect to get into da ubah grups immediately. There are hundreds and hundreds of other wormhole corps out there that are not well publicized.
To summarize, its possible, but will require work.
Yaay!!!! |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1561
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Posted - 2014.08.26 20:47:00 -
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Hello Crazy Captain Nemo,
There are a few resources that can help you get acquainted with the wormhole groups in New Eden:
[Notable Wormhole Space Alliances and Corporations]
Official Wormhole-related Public/Private Chat Channels
Post your blogs here!
These are all stickied in this sub-forum and will provide a ton of assistance and guidance for you and your friends, coming into wormholes. Unlike other areas of the game, wormholes do not generally operate with the renter/pet mechanics, and although many wormhole groups would have no problem helping you out and guiding you, many groups are not interested in "blue status" and permanent status settings (although temp happens frequently and there are groups that practice blue's).
I'd recommend you join the channels in the Chat thread and ask questions there, get to know members of the area, and start working toward setting up your new venture into wormholes. The blogs/writeups will help you acquant yourselves with the various aspects of wormholes, and if you are unfamiliar with wormhole residency, I'd recommend watching the youtube videos produced by Adhocracy and visiting the FAQ thread stickied in this sub-forum.
Since you are planning to start in the lower classes, I'd recommend you search/locate the wormhole you are most interested, also noting that you have options to purchase wormholes and what not if :effort: Once you find the one you like, group your merry band of explorers and begin establishing residency. While you are doing all of this, I recommend you use the channels, forums (Eve-O and external) to learn more and communicate with other groups.
tl;dr - Many will be willing to help, but few will blue you. Hope this helps! ISD Cyberdyne Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Ahost Gceo
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.08.26 21:33:00 -
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Your best bet would be to accept a merger. Merge corp A into B, B into A, or A and B into a new corp C. That way you guys can share bookmarks easily and provide enough bodies for hole rolling battleships...
I'm a friggin' banana. |
Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:57:00 -
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I think it would be helpful at this point to clarify that my Corp is not interested in joining an allaince. We are however interested in negotiating for assistance with setting up a base in a lower class of WH and are willing to compensate our benefactors and are willing to compensate an existing organisation for the ability to mine, rat, and run sites without the fear of being blobbed/assassinated.
Nemo |
Thor66777
Oberon Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
121
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:09:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:I think it would be helpful at this point to clarify that my Corp is not interested in joining an allaince. We are however interested in negotiating for assistance with setting up a base in a lower class of WH and are willing to compensate our benefactors and are willing to compensate an existing organisation for the ability to mine, rat, and run sites without the fear of being blobbed/assassinated.
Nemo
Sounds like renting. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
684
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:31:00 -
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Thor66777 wrote:Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:I think it would be helpful at this point to clarify that my Corp is not interested in joining an allaince. We are however interested in negotiating for assistance with setting up a base in a lower class of WH and are willing to compensate our benefactors and are willing to compensate an existing organisation for the ability to mine, rat, and run sites without the fear of being blobbed/assassinated.
Nemo Sounds like renting.
He doesn't want to rent. He wants to lease, with the added protection of bouncers surrounding him.
This ain't kspace. There is no " Don ". There is no safety or protection. You'll have to earn the right to call on backup, else you'll just have to hire mercenaries to protect you.
That's wormhole life. Yaay!!!! |
Elyas Crux
Sefem Velox Swift Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:38:00 -
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My alliance has been living in a wormhole for the past year that has been shared by at least two alliances, bookmarks are a huge pain but it can be managed.
Crazy Captain Nemo wrote: willing to compensate an existing organisation for the ability to mine, rat, and run sites without the fear of being blobbed/assassinated.
A lot of people will sell you this but cannot actually deliver on it, W-space just doesn't work that way. Previously friends of mine have found groups that just want to farm in peace... and camped their wormhole getting kills like clockwork until they all quit and went back to K-space. |
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Marox Calendale
Human League
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Posted - 2014.08.27 08:50:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:I think it would be helpful at this point to clarify that my Corp is not interested in joining an allaince. We are however interested in negotiating for assistance with setting up a base in a lower class of WH and are willing to compensate our benefactors and are willing to compensate an existing organisation for the ability to mine, rat, and run sites without the fear of being blobbed/assassinated.
Nemo Sounds like you haven-¦t read very much about living in J-Space until now, right? Mining is nearly impossible without loosing ships. If you go on safety with heavy tanked barges like the procurer, the yield is even less then in Highsec. There are no rats in J-Space, just Sleepers and they do not act like rats in Nullsec. All you have is doing combat sites, which do not offer good income in low class holes, are mostly too rare in your home system to do them often enough and so you have to rage roll your static for more of them.
And at least: There is not even 1 single second in Wormhole Live without the fear of being blobbed or assassinated. Not with Caps (in low class WH) but with T3-¦s, Hacs or whatever you like at small and medium sized ships. |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
460
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:16:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:I think it would be helpful at this point to clarify that my Corp is not interested in joining an allaince. We are however interested in negotiating for assistance with setting up a base in a lower class of WH and are willing to compensate our benefactors and are willing to compensate an existing organisation for the ability to mine, rat, and run sites without the fear of being blobbed/assassinated.
Nemo
Yeh no not gonna happen. Stop being a wuss and just go take a wormhole. |
Experiment 32423
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:53:00 -
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Your corp has 100+ members; you don't need hand-holding.
There are many tiny corps and even solo players who live in lower class holes just fine, and unless you mess up badly, you should be able to do so too. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
244
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Posted - 2014.08.27 13:08:00 -
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Posting in farmer troll thread. |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
481
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Posted - 2014.08.27 13:43:00 -
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You linked the wrong one :( Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Bleedingthrough
Raptor Navy
132
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:01:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:Are there any WH corporation and or allainces that would be willing to sit down with myself and discuss possible blue status for my corporation and or assistance in setting up a C1-C3 outpost.
Hey Nemo, don't be scared. Fly stuff you can afford to lose and just do it. No one will evict you unless you do something incredible stupid and no one will set you blue either. That is not the way of bob. If you need any sort of advice feel free to hit me in game and we can have a chat on ts.
Fly dangerous, Bleeding |
Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:14:00 -
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To further Clarify to the community,
1. I personally have about a year of experience in wormhole diving but most of my corp has no wspace experience at all 2. While my corp has numbers it is not willing to commit to the campaign of driving someone out of their home hole at this time 3. I am not asking for complete safety, no such thing exists in wspace. I am asking for amnesty from the corp/allaince who helps us set up shop simply because they will know our location. 4. I am not asking for protection from all of wspace. 5. We are not looking to move into a WH per se, more like we wish to create a FOB (forward operating base for those without military experience) in one. Which is why spending the assets neccessary to push someone out of their hole is not desirable by the rest of NCM's Board.
My thanks to all of you who have attempted to be constructive and professional,
Nemo |
Delaver KSS
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.08.27 15:34:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:To further Clarify to the community,
5. We are not looking to move into a WH per se, more like we wish to create a FOB (forward operating base for those without military experience) in one. Which is why spending the assets neccessary to push someone out of their hole is not desirable by the rest of NCM's Board.
Nemo
Good luck with that. With constantly changing entrances this is worthless. One day you can get in your 'FOB' the next day the only entrance is 45 jumps away, deep in enemy sovereign space. |
Valenthe de Celine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
75
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:44:00 -
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Nemo, I'm sorry to say this, but I suspect you are vastly unfamiliar with how WH space operates.
First, you never tell others where you live.
It's poor security to do so, and living in a WH with others that are not in your corp can, and often does, end badly for one or both parties. Sometimes its the two groups going at each other, sometimes its an outside entity, but more often than not tempers flare, towers get sieged, assets explode.
Second, you never tell others where you live.
Accepting help means being someone's ***** and at their mercy if they are larger than you are. Having someone move you in means they have the chance to destroy your tower before it's anchored. Your ships will not survive, your pods will not survive, your corp may not survive. Losses trying to move in are not uncommon reasons for corps to fail.
Finally, you never tell other where you live.
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Buying a WH from someone else is often your best method for moving into a empty hole. Use a broker. Get at least one ship inside during this process with a cov-ops, but of course two or more is always better. Trust no one. Assume the seller has alts still inside. Assume someone may have let their game time expire while floating in a POS that used to exist. Know that, at any time, someone from years ago might log back in with a carrier. It happens. Deal with it. Deal with them. Make a deal. (Maybe that carrier is for sale?) But at the end of the day, pod them to K-space, then roll your hole(s).
Oh, and don't talk in local, aside from the obligatory "gf" after a skirmish. |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
114
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:52:00 -
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Convo me in game when you see me on. I will share my knowledge with you. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun. |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1570
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:07:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:You linked the wrong one :( Fixed. Thanks for the good catch! ISD Cyberdyne Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
482
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:39:00 -
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CivilWars wrote:Convo me in game when you see me on. I will share my knowledge with you.
Alliance recruitment quota or something? Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
115
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Posted - 2014.08.27 23:26:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:CivilWars wrote:Convo me in game when you see me on. I will share my knowledge with you. Alliance recruitment quota or something? No, honestly willing to help. Funny how so many people ***** about w-space dying, then when a dude asks for help moving in everyone who is bitching laughs at him. Lots of people helped me out along the way, so as my one good deed for the decade I am willing to return the favor. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun. |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
482
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:03:00 -
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CivilWars wrote:Hidden Fremen wrote:CivilWars wrote:Convo me in game when you see me on. I will share my knowledge with you. Alliance recruitment quota or something? No, honestly willing to help. Funny how so many people ***** about w-space dying, then when a dude asks for help moving in everyone who is bitching laughs at him. Lots of people helped me out along the way, so as my one good deed for the decade I am willing to return the favor.
I blame this assumption on Sith's recruit spamming. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Sith1s Spectre
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
1181
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Posted - 2014.08.28 03:10:00 -
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Hidden Fremen wrote:CivilWars wrote:Hidden Fremen wrote:CivilWars wrote:Convo me in game when you see me on. I will share my knowledge with you. Alliance recruitment quota or something? No, honestly willing to help. Funny how so many people ***** about w-space dying, then when a dude asks for help moving in everyone who is bitching laughs at him. Lots of people helped me out along the way, so as my one good deed for the decade I am willing to return the favor. I blame this assumption on Sith's recruit spamming.
Fremen, you still love me Rolled Out 2.0 is back. -áBut not in the way you're probably thinking-á
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Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
658
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:31:00 -
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Yo OP I totally got you. I'll provide PvP support while you mine and rat for 25% of what you make. Convo me in game if you're keen. I'll get you a hole too. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Meytal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
532
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:00:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:To further Clarify to the community,
1. I personally have about a year of experience in wormhole diving but most of my corp has no wspace experience at all 2. While my corp has numbers it is not willing to commit to the campaign of driving someone out of their home hole at this time 3. I am not asking for complete safety, no such thing exists in wspace. I am asking for amnesty from the corp/allaince who helps us set up shop simply because they will know our location. 4. I am not asking for protection from all of wspace. 5. We are not looking to move into a WH per se, more like we wish to create a FOB (forward operating base for those without military experience) in one. Which is why spending the assets neccessary to push someone out of their hole is not desirable by the rest of NCM's Board.
My thanks to all of you who have attempted to be constructive and professional,
Nemo 1) Start training your corp by getting them diving into wormholes and experiencing the mechanics. And I don't just mean farming the combat sites, I mean actively hunting targets. Once you have a handful of people who are comfortable with hunting and being hunted in W-space, then you're ready to set up a tower. The remaining W-space mechanics you'll quickly become acquainted with. Note: always leave a scout in the hole if you want to make sure you can get back.
3) Most of the more established corps can be trusted to keep their word, but again, you should live with the expectation that there are a dozen or more scouts in your system, cloaked or logged off. What protects you in W-space isn't secrecy, because that's impossible to verify and maintain.
What protects you is you: your crew not doing utterly stupid things; not logging off at the first sight of a new sig appearing in system; having some kills next to your name; making absolute certain that you keep your word when you give it. That last one can't be stressed enough: there are few reasons to burn systems to the ground because it just sucks so much, but backstabbing is one very good way to ensure you'll lose a lot of assets and be looking for a new home, perhaps for years.
4) Same as #3 really. You protect you. Hire mercs when you can't. You make friends by shooting them in W-space and then talking to them afterward. If you prove yourself competent, they may even call on you when they want a little more help. It's a concept called "frenemies", and is apparently completely unheard of anywhere else in EVE. You shoot each other one day, and fleet up together the next. Sometimes you're shooting each other and then in the same fleet 5 minutes later, 100% confident that there will be no backstabbing.
5) This is where you point out that you don't understand how W-space works. You don't establish any sort of forward base, or beachhead, or garrison outpost. Those kinds of things are appropriate when you have static borders, fixed paths of entry, known points of contention. It's a Nullsec/Sov thing, not a W-space thing. Here, you establish a home (temporary or permanent), or you daytrip, or you go full nomad.
There are no permanent connections. The wormhole in Amarr today that leads to (or comes from, there is a difference) that C3 system with those 100 combat sites will be gone tomorrow. Tomorrow, that C3 may open up into Solitude.
It sounds like you want to set up a PvE farming operation in W-space under the protection of someone else. It doesn't quite work like that here. Either you take what you want and you defend it, or you don't have or keep anything.
What you appear to want is called "Renting", and they do that kind of thing in Nullsec all the time. That's where your apparent request would be more appropriate. Unlike W-space, your Nullsec overlords actually have a chance to defend you, and have a monetary incentive to do so.
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Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.08.29 02:08:00 -
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I appreciate all of the posts on this thread. I have lived in NPC null for the majority of my EVE life and it is interesting to get a different perspective on things. I must admit there is more I must learn about this than I initially anticipated. I have never had to construct or manage a POS before (though I have defended/destroyed them on occassion) and it seems that learning how to build/maintain a POS is going to be my largest hurdle in this endeavor.
Thank you all for your time in this, it means a lot to me.
Nemo |
Crazy Captain Nemo
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
11
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:59:00 -
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Crazy Captain Nemo wrote:I appreciate all of the posts on this thread. I have lived in NPC null for the majority of my EVE life and it is interesting to get a different perspective on things. I must admit there is more I must learn about this than I initially anticipated. I have never had to construct or manage a POS before (though I have defended/destroyed them on occassion) and it seems that learning how to build/maintain a POS is going to be my largest hurdle in this endeavor.
Thank you all for your time in this, it means a lot to me.
Nemo
That being said does anyone have any POS setup suggestions for lower class holes and or is it plausible/does anyone set use POS's in wspace for industry purposes?
Thanks
Nemo |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1484
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:51:00 -
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CivilWars wrote:Hidden Fremen wrote:CivilWars wrote:Convo me in game when you see me on. I will share my knowledge with you. Alliance recruitment quota or something? No, honestly willing to help. Funny how so many people ***** about w-space dying, then when a dude asks for help moving in everyone who is bitching laughs at him. Lots of people helped me out along the way, so as my one good deed for the decade I am willing to return the favor.
I don't get the issue either. All the guy needs is a temp blue status with someone willing to camp his entry, and not act with hostilities upon the information granted deliberately afterwards. Sounds like you need some trustworthy mercs. The fact he's been out of the game for so long is the real issue at hand, as he probably doesn't have the active contacts to hire a trusted party. There are lots of people interested in the prospect of pure kills, getting paid to sit on a grid where pew might happen is preferred to PVE in lots of cases. |
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