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bacon lettuce tomato
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:34:00 -
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Quote: According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, GÇ£it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on oneGÇÖs premises.GÇ¥
So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:36:00 -
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It all depends on what "a professional basis" means which is most likely defined elsewhere.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Fujiko MaXjolt
ACME HARDWARE
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:37:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Quote: According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, GÇ£it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on oneGÇÖs premises.GÇ¥
So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right?
No, because the servers are based in London. |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
714
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Posted - 2014.08.27 03:47:00 -
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and something about no real money being involved CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
8426
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:14:00 -
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My opinion is that a game like this should try to steer clear from an official activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.
The players should be free to provide gambling content, though. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~ |
Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:15:00 -
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However, courts have declared in-game assets to be of monetary value with regard to law enforcement. Anyway, I thought this thread was about living with active volcanoes and trying to rationalize it as NOT a gamble... Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:28:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:and something about no real money being involved
Which is how Pachinko parlors operate in Japan where gambling is similarly strictly illegal.
Vyl Vit wrote:However, courts have declared in-game assets to be of monetary value with regard to law enforcement. Anyway, I thought this thread was about living with active volcanoes and trying to rationalize it as NOT a gamble...
Can you give a citation please? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1872
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:48:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Quote: According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, GÇ£it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on oneGÇÖs premises.GÇ¥
So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right?
Murder is illegal in Iceland, too. Yet, behold...... PvP in EVE.
aka: when are you all going to learn that EVE ISK (despite technically having an exchange rate) does not equal real currency, and assets in EVE are not taxable (for those who were worried that the American IRS was going to tax our spaceships)? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1151
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:57:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote:activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.
I know this isn't what you meant but this sounds like the definition of an MMO...
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
357
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:11:00 -
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In-game casinos (run by ccp) would be an excellent isk-sink. Way back in the Everquest days, some folks figured out a duplication exploit. As the currency in EQ was real coin you had to either carry around or store in the bank, it worked for the currency too. Soon the economy was literally hosed all across the EQ servers.
Then came the casino.... mopped that problem right up.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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bacon lettuce tomato
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:12:00 -
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Some thoughts that come to mind based on the replys-
I'm not an Icelandic attorney but I think that in
"gambling and betting on a professional basis"
Gambling and betting on a professional basis can be separated into two separate statements. As gambling (or facilitation thereof) in itself may be banned as well as the private acts of individual gamblers (or facilitation thereof) .
Also that
" to derive direct or indirect income "
Should be paid attention to as CCP's PLEX model, may constitute 'indirect income' through ISK gambling if it were to ever happen.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1873
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:15:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Some thoughts that come to mind based on the replys-
I'm not an Icelandic attorney but I think that in
"gambling and betting on a professional basis"
Gambling and betting on a professional basis can be separated into two separate statements. As gambling (or facilitation thereof) in itself may be banned as well as the private acts of individual gamblers (or facilitation thereof) .
Also that
" to derive direct or indirect income "
Should be paid attention to as CCP's PLEX model, may constitute 'indirect income' through ISK gambling if it were to ever happen.
Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?
Because that's what it sounds like. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
bacon lettuce tomato
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:24:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?
Because that's what it sounds like.
I didn't talk about anything conspiratorial but probably should have, I guess. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1874
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:20:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote: Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?
Because that's what it sounds like.
I didn't talk about anything conspiratorial but probably should have, I guess.
It's just that we had that one guy that was telling everyone the IRS was coming to tax our crap in EVE. No amount of common sense could sway his paranoia. He went on about it for nearly a week. FEMA had to come out to clean up the forums, and the guy flipped his top about that because he believed in FEMA Death Camps and mass graves in rural Missouri. He took Fred hostage, and then killed him trying to escape.
Fred was my friend. :( That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5367
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:22:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Fred was my friend. :(
His name was Fred Paulson "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:26:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: My opinion is that a game like this should try to steer clear from an official activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.
The players should be free to provide gambling content, though.
This is a disturbingly hot avatar. Damn you.
TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1874
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:31:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Fred was my friend. :( His name was Fred Paulson
Yes. And he was my friend. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4259
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:39:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:However, courts have declared in-game assets to be of monetary value with regard to law enforcement.
First of all, which courts and what jurisdiction does that apply to?
Secondly, citation needed. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4259
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:45:00 -
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Eugene Kerner wrote:Sibyyl wrote: My opinion is that a game like this should try to steer clear from an official activity which is considered rather detrimental and addictive.
The players should be free to provide gambling content, though.
This is a disturbingly hot avatar. Damn you.
While I was going through treatment, and playing less EVE to keep from stressing myself with the very real possibility of EVE burnout (everyone knows it can happen) and making myself physically worse for it, I have a confession to make...
I subbed on SWTOR.
I checked it out for free at first, and enjoyed it. For a themepark game, it made getting through my treatment a lot less traumatic. Even now that my treatment is complete, I'm still playing it more than EVE. For the moment, anyway. I'm still working on the story, learning about the game. Got into as much PVP as I could and became pretty good at it.
Anyway, since we're on the subject of hot avatars, I'll make my point. I got around to making a second toon, a female Cathar. I've never played an MMO with a female toon and thought I'd give it a go, and I like the Cathar race.
I'm the kinda guy though who doesn't really care much about how his pixels looks, and I just hit random on the toon. The first click, I had the sexiest toon I'd ever seen in a video game ever. I mean, in my opinion. What I find sexy, you may not. But anyway, it was still pretty impressive, and when it comes to women, real or otherwise, I'm not easily impressed. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:33:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote: Are you using the same "logic" that tinfoil hat people use to speculate about "chemtrails", and deduce wild assumptions about fluoride in the tap water?
Because that's what it sounds like.
I didn't talk about anything conspiratorial but probably should have, I guess. Awesome name!! :D YELLOW FOR SIBYYL! RAISE YOUR ARMS \o/ :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4953366#post4953366 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsorUGTaq0
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:26:00 -
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CCP itself cannot create a casino system where users can use real money only to win real money only as long as they're an Icelandic company. InterStellar Kredits are defined in EULA/ToS to have no monetary value and the sections you linked cannot be applied. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6583
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Posted - 2014.08.27 09:33:00 -
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New Eden is set in Iceland?
Wat "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:32:00 -
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There goes my immersion. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
950
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:01:00 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:CCP itself cannot create a casino system where users can use real money only to win real money only as long as they're an Icelandic company. InterStellar Kredits are defined in EULA/ToS to have no monetary value and the sections you linked cannot be applied.
Still, listening to some sad-sack burble about how he's wasted the 24 PLEX he bought on gambling, or worse, hearing a list of ingame crap he's won, makes my damn skin break out. That's because i've always equated gambling with being a self-destructive, self-indulgent fool and all my experience with gamblers has reinforced that. MMOs, stamp collecting, LARPING, whatever a person spends too much time or energy on, nothing has the same capacity for robbing you of your home and clothes. It gets wearing when the activities suggested for WiS seem to be strip clubs and casinos, are you people that dull and sheltered?
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6588
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:09:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Adrie Atticus wrote:CCP itself cannot create a casino system where users can use real money only to win real money only as long as they're an Icelandic company. InterStellar Kredits are defined in EULA/ToS to have no monetary value and the sections you linked cannot be applied. Still, listening to some sad-sack burble about how he's wasted the 24 PLEX he bought on gambling, or worse, hearing a list of ingame crap he's won, makes my damn skin break out. That's because i've always equated gambling with being a self-destructive, self-indulgent fool and all my experience with gamblers has reinforced that. MMOs, stamp collecting, LARPING, whatever a person spends too much time or energy on, nothing has the same capacity for robbing you of your home and clothes. It gets wearing when the activities suggested for WiS seem to be strip clubs and casinos, are you people that dull and sheltered?
It is written "When Ramona and Chopper's opinions align on a subject, Great Cthulhu will awaken from his eons-long slumber."
I think I just heard a rumble. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Mithandra
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
125
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:15:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Quote: According to Articles 183 and 184 of the Criminal Code, in effect since 1998, GÇ£it is a punishable offense to engage in gambling and betting on a professional basis, to encourage others to participate in these activities and to derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on oneGÇÖs premises.GÇ¥
So this means we'll never see ingame casinos right?
You seriously took time away from playing the game to wade through the Icelandic criminal code?
Words for once fail me.
Eve is the dark haired, totally hot emo gothchild of the gaming community
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1506
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:48:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: Murder is illegal in Iceland, too. Yet, behold...... PvP in EVE.
Note that swearing a bloodoath and slaying the offender in single combat is not considered murder in Iceland but rather justifiable against someone who insults one's boat. Strange holdover from the past, evidently. Explains a bit of EVE...
Jarod Garamonde wrote:..assets in EVE are not taxable (for those who were worried that the American IRS was going to tax our spaceships)? To be fair...I wouldn't put it past governments to try something like that... ; )
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
681
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:30:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:Should be paid attention to as CCP's PLEX model, may constitute 'indirect income' through ISK gambling if it were to ever happen.
ISK has no real world value. The conversion only works one way. Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6619
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:35:00 -
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Vortexo VonBrenner wrote: Strange holdover from the past, evidently. Explains a bit of EVE...
Which bit? "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
660
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Posted - 2014.08.27 14:37:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:It all depends on what "a professional basis" means which is most likely defined elsewhere.
"derive direct or indirect income from having the activities take place on oneGÇÖs premises.GÇ¥"
Since the server if you want to define that as premises is located in England so that shouldn't cause a problem for CCP. |
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