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Hawkin Pete
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:20:00 -
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These burner mission are tough as hell and they pay out less then a level 2 mission. WTF? Did 4 of these today and they all pay like 200k and 800 LP.
At least CCP is Keeping EVE award for having the worse PVE in the gaming world.
Weakest Update Yet. |
bacon lettuce tomato
12
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Posted - 2014.08.27 04:29:00 -
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When I first heard about the Burner missions, I assumed there would be separate agents for them. But no, it turns out they're in the normal level 4 mission pool. Then I thought, "well that might be a nice change for PVE players, mix things up a bit." Then I found out there are no consequences for declining them. "But I'm sure they're short and worth the trouble, considering we're dealing with frigates."
"Burner Mission Rewards are Horrible!"
Rendering it all completely inconsequential.
I had actually been looking up frig fittings to get through LV1-3 |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7787
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:00:00 -
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Hawkin Pete wrote:These burner mission are tough as hell and they pay out less then a level 2 mission. WTF? Did a bunch of these today and they all pay like 200k and 800 LP.
At least CCP is Keeping EVE's award for having the worse PVE in the gaming world.
Weak Update.
What's weak is your knowledge of PVE. If you took the time to visit the test server forums,you'd understand what is going on here.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367639&find=unread#post4936696
CCP Fozzie wrote:Mission isk and lp rewards use a system that autocalculates them based on a number of factors (including how quickly people complete the mission on average and how often they decline it). Unfortunately this means that the mission completion rewards will be a bit wonky on Sisi, and for the first couple days on TQ. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2121
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Posted - 2014.08.27 05:24:00 -
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GÇ£It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubtGÇ¥ GÇò Mark Twain ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
198
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:52:00 -
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2/10
lots of tears. no real suggestion for fixing anything.
also PVE rewards are fine. http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
713
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Posted - 2014.08.27 06:55:00 -
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I think the idea is we strive for loot from the frigate kill.
There are too many layers to make it lucrative or farm material. You are essentially killing sleepers with different names. Take it for what it is. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
8796
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:27:00 -
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So because of the reward, the PvE is horrible?
What you actually wrote is...
"I am greedy! The payout for burner missions is horrible! It's too hard for the amount!"
Your rant has NOTHING to do with the PvE aspect of the game!
You should be KOS! YELLOW FOR SIBYYL! RAISE YOUR ARMS \o/ :D https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4953366#post4953366 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XsorUGTaq0
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4261
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:41:00 -
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Hawkin Pete wrote:These burner mission are tough as hell and they pay out less then a level 2 mission. WTF? Did a bunch of these today and they all pay like 200k and 800 LP.
At least CCP is Keeping EVE's award for having the worse PVE in the gaming world.
Weak Update.
Are you playing a game, or working for an income? GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Prince Kobol
2083
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Posted - 2014.08.27 07:52:00 -
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Google is your friend. I have already seen a few threads on reddit which go into detail how to beat the burner missions and hence their biggest downfall.
I would imagine in a week or two you have in depth guides on how to do them and they will become easily farmable.
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Nenwe
Aideron Robotics
1
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Posted - 2014.08.27 10:55:00 -
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Now after testing the burner missions i just dont see the gain to be enough to justify running these with other level 4 missions.
It takes max frig/small weapon skills to run em and specific ship to do em and no you cannot even complete most of these with T2 faction frigates you need to use Pirate frigates.
I call Balance fail (Seriously CCP should stop making ships out of spacedust and actually start using Real FITS for npc's)
Lets compare these to other level 4 missions and lets ask are these in line with those? (sopposed to be hard and supposed to be doable with most T2 frigs are 2 completely different things)
So unless the reward is 3-5 times higher than what it is now i am not going to bother with the investment even tough i have the skills for em
Risk is way too high compared to reward |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4282
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:01:00 -
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In case he missed it
Jenn aSide wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367639&find=unread#post4936696CCP Fozzie wrote:Mission isk and lp rewards use a system that autocalculates them based on a number of factors (including how quickly people complete the mission on average and how often they decline it). Unfortunately this means that the mission completion rewards will be a bit wonky on Sisi, and for the first couple days on TQ.
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l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
1009
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:14:00 -
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Also you can kill the frig in less than one minutes. That does not work with most missions, except recon 1/3 and cargo dilivery. You need to calculate the ISK per hour for the missions, not the total reward. At least if you want to compare them. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1506
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Posted - 2014.08.27 11:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Hawkin Pete wrote:These burner mission are tough as hell and they pay out less then a level 2 mission. WTF? Did a bunch of these today and they all pay like 200k and 800 LP.
At least CCP is Keeping EVE's award for having the worse PVE in the gaming world.
Weak Update. What's weak is your knowledge of PVE. If you took the time to visit the test server forums,you'd understand what is going on here. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=367639&find=unread#post4936696CCP Fozzie wrote:Mission isk and lp rewards use a system that autocalculates them based on a number of factors (including how quickly people complete the mission on average and how often they decline it). Unfortunately this means that the mission completion rewards will be a bit wonky on Sisi, and for the first couple days on TQ.
1 - Read that link, OP. 2- Bounties on burners are something like 2-5 mil 3 - Burners have a chance to drop faction modules.
I'm listening to-áBj+¦rk, playing EVE, eating fishsticks, and I'm cold....this is immersion gaming. |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
61
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:47:00 -
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I like to solo my level 4 missions since I mostly play solo, but the burner mission I got where I would encounter a Sansha succubus... My dps of 200 only put a dent in his shield, my resistance of 70% EM and 65% Therm didn't do ****. I had a t2 webifier with me as well which didn't do **** since it only got a range of 10km.
These burner missions seem to be group effort, where in my case, regular lvl 4 missions with my Paladin pays out more isk. To all those who would call me greedy, I can only say that I don't find it fun that I need a frigate with dead space and faction defence inorder to do them, nor do I want to gang up with people (As I said, I do stuff alone)
I'm excited to see what CCP is going to say when this has been out for a month.
Edit: and the bounty and reward of the burner mission is garbage compared to all other lvl 4 missions. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7830
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:51:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:I like to solo my level 4 missions since I mostly play solo, but the burner mission I got where I would encounter a Sansha succubus... My dps of 200 only put a dent in his shield, my resistance of 70% EM and 65% Therm didn't do ****. I had a t2 webifier with me as well which didn't do **** since it only got a range of 10km.
Overheat
Quote: These burner missions seem to be group effort, where in my case, regular lvl 4 missions with my Paladin pays out more isk. To all those who would call me greedy, I can only say that I don't find it fun that I need a frigate with dead space and faction defence inorder to do them, nor do I want to gang up with people (As I said, I do stuff alone)
I'm excited to see what CCP is going to say when this has been out for a month.
They'll say "smart people figured it out after 2 days" because that's what is happening.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958859#post4958859
Also, have some videos
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4957914#post4957914
These new missions take very little effort, thought, training and time. I'm down to a 1 minute 37 seconds with the same Succubus you can seem to dent, using my Ishkur. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
498
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:09:00 -
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Depends how high chance of faction drop is, and what kinds of modules..
Yes sounds like 800LP is way too low - level 5 missions give what, 45k LP, level 4 give 5k LP?
But again, for 5 minutes of total effort... Get mission, reship, fly in, kill, dock up.. 5 minutes tops? Probably still too low IMHO, I would up the LP reward to at least 3k, but again, it all depends on faction drop chance.
If there is at least a 5% chance of drop of Gistii A-type booster for example, suddenly it becomes worthwhile to farm them. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5368
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Hawkin Pete wrote:These burner mission are tough as hell and they pay out less then a level 2 mission. WTF? Did a bunch of these today and they all pay like 200k and 800 LP.
At least CCP is Keeping EVE's award for having the worse PVE in the gaming world.
Weak Update. Are you playing a game, or working for an income?
Everybody's working for the weekend. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Celthric Kanerian]I like to solo my level 4 missions since I mostly play solo, but the burner mission I got where I would encounter a Sansha succubus... My dps of 200 only put a dent in his shield, my resistance of 70% EM and 65% Therm didn't do ****. I had a t2 webifier with me as well which didn't do **** since it only got a range of 10km.
Overheat
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I did overheat my guns, web and repper.
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NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
915
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:44:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:[quote=Jenn aSide][quote=Celthric Kanerian]I like to solo my level 4 missions since I mostly play solo, but the burner mission I got where I would encounter a Sansha succubus... My dps of 200 only put a dent in his shield, my resistance of 70% EM and 65% Therm didn't do ****. I had a t2 webifier with me as well which didn't do **** since it only got a range of 10km.
Overheat
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I did overheat my guns, web and repper.
I did that to and lost a dedspace daredevil You know what my response to this is? Train gallente frig 5 and try again in 5 days
Somebody else has done them in a couple of different fits for amarr assault frigs, so Ill get those next Easiest answer is going to be make a friend and one webs the other shoots, victory is had Or maybe a booster alt, that would have likely saved the poor daredevil. Oh well, just means i do some other l4s and buy a stratios to replace my loss. So I only make a 100 mil profit after these losses, so sad and suffering on me.
But seriously they arent easy and while I cast greater scorn on Fozzie for not letting ewar work, I do think they will be easy once some minor events are done. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1140
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:10:00 -
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Considering how quick you can churn through these especially if you have an alt or buddy up. you need to factor in profit from the every 16 mission storylines and storyline faction standing as well.
Does anyone know whether these just generate normal lvl 4 storylines or add to a "burner pool" leading to burner storylines ? |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4077
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:48:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:On day one, 207 Burner NPCs died, but they killed 1563 capsuleer ships. The machines are winning. #tweetfleet #eveonline #iskwar
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
3407
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Posted - 2014.08.28 00:54:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:On day one, 207 Burner NPCs died, but they killed 1563 capsuleer ships. The machines are winning. #tweetfleet #eveonline #iskwar
And next week, CCP will do an ad blitz for people to get alt accounts to run these missions.
Can't wait until they convert all L4's into randomized frigate, cruiser, or BS burner missions, effectively killing off the 2nd last decent income source for solo players in high sec. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
915
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:00:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:On day one, 207 Burner NPCs died, but they killed 1563 capsuleer ships. The machines are winning. #tweetfleet #eveonline #iskwar And next week, CCP will do an ad blitz for people to get alt accounts to run these missions. Can't wait until they convert all L4's into randomized frigate, cruiser, or BS burner missions, effectively killing off the 2nd last decent income source for solo players in high sec. Dont worry Star Citizen will cater to them. *Tinfoil*
CCP owns Star Citizen and is busy shooing out the solo players to there |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24127
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:02:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And next week, CCP will do an ad blitz for people to get alt accounts to run these missions.
Can't wait until they convert all L4's into randomized frigate, cruiser, or BS burner missions, effectively killing off the 2nd last decent income source for solo players in high sec. Why on earth would either of those happen? Neither of them makes any sense. Oh, and if L4s are the second (to?) last decent income source, which is the first one? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1140
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:15:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And next week, CCP will do an ad blitz for people to get alt accounts to run these missions.
Can't wait until they convert all L4's into randomized frigate, cruiser, or BS burner missions, effectively killing off the 2nd last decent income source for solo players in high sec. Why on earth would either of those happen? Neither of them makes any sense. Oh, and if L4s are the second (to?) last decent income source, which is the first one?
Station scamming :D |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
8730
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:24:00 -
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A good death is its own reward.
Also, Fozzie says:
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On day one, 207 Burner NPCs died, but they killed 1563 capsuleer ships. The machines are winning.
Edit: Did not catch Tau quoting him already, sorry. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~ |
Cameron Freerunner
Four Pillars Brothers of Tangra
99
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:29:00 -
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bacon lettuce tomato wrote:whatever mmmmm BLTs |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:29:00 -
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One word is all you need to understand why your whine is up there with the best pathetic whines ever.
OPTIONAL
There you go. You can thank me with generous donations. |
Captain Eliiot
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:30:00 -
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Burner missions F-king blow, as do the socially retardant, chronically depressed parasites that inhabit these forums. |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
915
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Posted - 2014.08.28 01:39:00 -
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Captain Eliiot wrote:Burner missions F-king blow, as do the socially retardant, chronically depressed parasites that inhabit these forums. I shall have you know my good sir, I do not engage in the continuous usage of drugs in a recreational manner. Such accusations are not only slanderous and defaming, but outright falsifications! Now excuse me, I have an appoint with the damsel that I am late too. |
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