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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1525
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Posted - 2014.09.08 06:17:00 -
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Ohkewl wrote: Crokite is full of Zydrine, if you want to keep crashing the already over supplied zydrine market, mine Crokite. The most valuable ore atm is Hedbergite, and is hardly present in the nullsec belts. Something you would know if you were actually doing any mining in nullsec.
Zydrine is actually showing a slight gain in most hubs atm, if you follow the price graphs. And of course I don't mine in Null, not living there and all like the goonies and their buddies. However.... Refer to the other thread for the breakdowns on what is in a 0.0 belt along with average ore in them and numbers of asteroids of a type. Since none of the Null sec dwellers crying about anything could be bothered to generate actual proof, I went out there and actually got some data. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:40:00 -
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Ok here's a new one for you all.
Apparently there is a glut of ls/ns ores and minerals atm.
I mine in hs and I can now compress Veld, Scor and Plag.
I'm willing to go fill an Orca full of any of them, compress them and trade for ore with a good amount of Nocx, compressed as well.
Now don't go on about the difference in value, i'm not interested...You need, I need, let's trade.
Like you, I need it for manufacturing and Pyro just ain't giving me enough.
Cheers.
Edit, I'll meet anyone in Dodixie prefered or within a few jumps, HS ONLY |
Rahelis
Tris Legomenon
110
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Posted - 2014.09.08 14:52:00 -
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Mine in low sec - it is easy - you get all the mins you need. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
86
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:00:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:Mine in low sec - it is easy - you get all the mins you need.
Tried that, got gate camped twice and i'll never try again.
And before you all start, no i'm not risk averse..I just don't believe in throwing away good money after bad.
It's a bad financial decision.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
54
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:33:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:Mine in low sec - it is easy - you get all the mins you need.
Mining in belts is the absolute worst thing you can do in lowsec and nullsec. It works in highsec because people can largely mine completely afk with the only threat being suicide gankers (which you can't stop). You cannot do that in null or lowsec.
But if you listen to people that have said themselves that they don't live in null, they'll tell you that null belts are the best and are where you should be |
Bella Sprout
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.09.08 20:51:00 -
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Kusum Fawn wrote: Hi, can you link or list what is actually in one of the belts as an average? Noting the number of asteroids does not represent the amount of ore present, I am interested in the general composition of asteroids in a representative belt and with your access to deklein that should be very easy. An ore scan of the entire belt or simply a section. with a total count of asteroids by type would be great.
I've already said what ores are present in -0.7 and -0.8 deklein--the 10 or so belts I check all had 10-13 rocks of: crokite, ochre, hedbergite, hemorphie, jaspet, mercoxit, pyroxeres, scordite, spodumain, and veldspar. Each ore type had a similar distribution of 0, 5, and 10% ores. For asteroid sizes, I can tell you off of the top of my head that the crokite rocks averaged between 3.5k to 4k units, or about 60km3 of ore, whereas the veldspar and kernite rocks averaged around 15-16km3. I don't remember the sizes of the other rocks, because I was really most interested in kernite and plagioclase (which wasn't there), but I can check later today if you want |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Empire Reclamation Services
28
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Posted - 2014.09.08 21:05:00 -
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Rahelis wrote:Mine in low sec - it is easy - you get all the mins you need.
There is nothing in EVE more pointless than mining in lowsec. Either you get exploded in a belt, exploded at station dock/undock, exploded at a gate, or exploded in transit with your hauler. People who advocate mining in lowsec have never tried to mine in lowsec (other than ninja mining, which is a waste of time). Lowsec is fun if you like PVP, but there's a reason there's almost no industry there -- there's no point to it. You can't get anything you mine/make into hisec to sell it, and nobody wants to pay lowsec prices for it if you try to sell in low.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1531
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Posted - 2014.09.09 01:25:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Mining in belts is the absolute worst thing you can do in lowsec and nullsec. It works in highsec because people can largely mine completely afk with the only threat being suicide gankers (which you can't stop). You cannot do that in null or lowsec. But if you listen to people that have said themselves that they don't live in null, they'll tell you that null belts are the best and are where you should be Except Belts in Null Sec are identical to Industrial Anoms. And Nullsec you have far greater control over who enters your system. And people do mine in low sec also. So.... Yes, If you live in Null sec or low sec, you can mine there. Day trippers shouldn't.
You just want to sit there denying that Null Belts exist so CCP will give you another free hand out to continue crushing everyone else. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:12:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Except Belts in Null Sec are identical to Industrial Anoms.
You literally have no clue what you are talking about, this is absolutely incorrect.
But please, continue telling us about how to live in nullsec based on your vast experience there. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
143
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:38:00 -
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As much as I relish hearing goon whine my tear buckets are full
Anyone who counts asteroids to determine belt composition is a, well, I can't say without getting banned, but suffice it to say, what you say after that has ZERO meaning
We told CCP Fozzie at EvE vegas last year that Mex was way out of proportion to everything else, he sneered and said he didn't think it would matter and he would monitor it
fast forward to now, they added Nocx, pyerite and mex to ABC ore's (Yes, I know some were increased, some were added)
That still leaves the OVERALL ratio of everything to mex and somewhat Isogen very skewed, plus the ratio of tritanium is horrid
I mean, sure nullsec has to supply Morphite, Megacyte and Zydrine, I get that, but right now hey are being supplied in a manner that far exceeds the ability to supply Pyerite and trit in nullsec
tl:dr Mexallon is still out of sync with everything else, wether it gets increased in arkornor further or pyro, kernite, plagio or a bit in all of them.
Either way, the ratio of Mexallon mined to Mexallon used in production is out of sync |
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.09.09 16:53:00 -
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Kenneth Feld wrote:As much as I relish hearing goon whine my tear buckets are full
Anyone who counts asteroids to determine belt composition is a, well, I can't say without getting banned, but suffice it to say, what you say after that has ZERO meaning
We told CCP Fozzie at EvE vegas last year that Mex was way out of proportion to everything else, he sneered and said he didn't think it would matter and he would monitor it
fast forward to now, they added Nocx, pyerite and mex to ABC ore's (Yes, I know some were increased, some were added)
That still leaves the OVERALL ratio of everything to mex and somewhat Isogen very skewed, plus the ratio of tritanium is horrid
I mean, sure nullsec has to supply Morphite, Megacyte and Zydrine, I get that, but right now hey are being supplied in a manner that far exceeds the ability to supply Pyerite and trit in nullsec
tl:dr Mexallon is still out of sync with everything else, wether it gets increased in arkornor further or pyro, kernite, plagio or a bit in all of them.
Either way, the ratio of Mexallon mined to Mexallon used in production is out of sync
That is the exact argument we've been behind the entire time, you had to wait until now to reaffirm that?
I would add that it is too easy to get zyd/mega and that a flat nerf to the availability of high ends would help as well. |
Arven Egdald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:08:00 -
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I don't understand why it would be a crisis, you can always just mine something else. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
60
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Posted - 2014.09.09 17:36:00 -
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Arven Egdald wrote:I don't understand why it would be a crisis, you can always just mine something else.
In order to cycle the "infinite belts" that spawn in null, you have to mine everything in the anom. Therefore, there isn't really an option to not mine out the "high end" ores in the anoms. |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
143
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:27:00 -
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Arven Egdald wrote:I don't understand why it would be a crisis, you can always just mine something else.
Then you don't understand nullsec
You can spawn all 5 grav sites, but they only respawn EVERY 4 Days, not daily like regular belts
So, every 4 days you can build like 25% of a SC in trit, but you can build 12 titans worth of Megacyte
So, how do I get more trit you ask, well, you have to mine it out, it will respawn instantly after you mine it out, but that means I have to mine tons of high ends
Don;t worry sad charlie, you can mine it out 4 times and build a SC and have enough high ends to build a fleet of Titans |
Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
143
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Posted - 2014.09.09 18:28:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Kenneth Feld wrote:As much as I relish hearing goon whine my tear buckets are full
Anyone who counts asteroids to determine belt composition is a, well, I can't say without getting banned, but suffice it to say, what you say after that has ZERO meaning
We told CCP Fozzie at EvE vegas last year that Mex was way out of proportion to everything else, he sneered and said he didn't think it would matter and he would monitor it
fast forward to now, they added Nocx, pyerite and mex to ABC ore's (Yes, I know some were increased, some were added)
That still leaves the OVERALL ratio of everything to mex and somewhat Isogen very skewed, plus the ratio of tritanium is horrid
I mean, sure nullsec has to supply Morphite, Megacyte and Zydrine, I get that, but right now hey are being supplied in a manner that far exceeds the ability to supply Pyerite and trit in nullsec
tl:dr Mexallon is still out of sync with everything else, wether it gets increased in arkornor further or pyro, kernite, plagio or a bit in all of them.
Either way, the ratio of Mexallon mined to Mexallon used in production is out of sync That is the exact argument we've been behind the entire time, you had to wait until now to reaffirm that? I would add that it is too easy to get zyd/mega and that a flat nerf to the availability of high ends would help as well.
Yeah, well watching you guys squirm was worth it
As long as we separate the discussion into mineral composition away from compressed ore.
I think composition is ******
I think compressed ore is in a good place
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1532
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Posted - 2014.09.10 01:38:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:
You literally have no clue what you are talking about, this is absolutely incorrect.
But please, continue telling us about how to live in nullsec based on your vast experience there.
Please tell me how they are different that I haven't already discussed oh great Goon. I was talking about risk, in the context of your previous posts claiming that mining in static belts was stupid. Both can be warped to without probing now, so the risk is identical.
I know all the respawning mechanics around industrial anoms and the composition differences. I've talked about them in this very thread. But hey, go ahead and take it totally out of context. Lets you continue to pretend like there is a crisis when the solution is sitting right in front of your face already. |
Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
777
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Posted - 2014.09.10 16:22:00 -
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Zifrian wrote:Furthermore, the anoms are not just for people mining ABC. I know many miners (and myself) that mine out the mex ores so they can build things but what do you do when it's all gone? You need to flip the belt to refresh the supply of mex ores you really want and then you end up with a bunch of ores you don't need or want ie. zydrine and megacyte. Hence, an oversupply of high ends greater than the demand.
Thats what you get for cherry picking. Mine the rest. Compress it. Ship it to hisec.
GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |
Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
68
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Posted - 2014.09.11 23:07:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:Zifrian wrote:Furthermore, the anoms are not just for people mining ABC. I know many miners (and myself) that mine out the mex ores so they can build things but what do you do when it's all gone? You need to flip the belt to refresh the supply of mex ores you really want and then you end up with a bunch of ores you don't need or want ie. zydrine and megacyte. Hence, an oversupply of high ends greater than the demand. Thats what you get for cherry picking. Mine the rest. Compress it. Ship it to hisec.
Crash the high-end mineral market in the process? |
Electrified Circuits
Lynx Inc Northern Associates.
19
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Posted - 2014.09.14 20:58:00 -
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Yeah this is not good as ABC are meant to be more worth your while, moving in upgrading space dealing with threats etc so that you are able to mine them should be worth it.
2 solutions to this and yes it is a problem albeit an unwanted side effect of for the most part great industry changes.
Increase the amount of high ends required to make Items..
Give us more mex so we can use the high ends to make things in nullsec |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
151
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Posted - 2014.09.14 21:45:00 -
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Electrified Circuits wrote:Yeah this is not good as ABC are meant to be more worth your while, moving in upgrading space dealing with threats etc so that you are able to mine them should be worth it.
2 solutions to this and yes it is a problem albeit an unwanted side effect of for the most part great industry changes.
Increase the amount of high ends required to make Items..
Give us more mex so we can use the high ends to make things in nullsec
If you get more mex, I want more nocx..You're not the only ones with mineral issues. |
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Electrified Circuits
Lynx Inc Northern Associates.
19
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Posted - 2014.09.14 22:23:00 -
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I'm talking about the universal balance of minerals ie the whole market % ratios of demand for whats needed drives market prices, imo they are skewed wrong many mineral issues have been fixed in null i can get what i need to make things except Mexallon.
The value of the rares should remain high to keep nullsec a good pull away from lowsec thats whats going wrong here. Don't argue you have mineral issues you are supposed to only get high sec ores in high,lowsec. Nullsec gets all ores for good reason, to drive player driven content |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1540
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Posted - 2014.09.14 23:46:00 -
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Electrified Circuits wrote:I'm talking about the universal balance of minerals ie the whole market % ratios of demand for whats needed drives market prices, imo they are skewed wrong many mineral issues have been fixed in null i can get what i need to make things except Mexallon.
The value of the rares should remain high to keep nullsec a good pull away from lowsec thats whats going wrong here. Don't argue you have mineral issues you are supposed to only get high sec ores in high,lowsec. Nullsec gets all ores for good reason, to drive player driven content That's why you bother mining out all the low & mid ores in Null Sec static belts to balance your ratio's... Oh wait you don't! Also no area of space is meant to be independent. So if you get more Mex, what are you giving to high sec to keep the interdependencies going. |
Electrified Circuits
Lynx Inc Northern Associates.
19
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Posted - 2014.09.15 00:19:00 -
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Well you are entitled to your opinion too |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2014.09.15 01:43:00 -
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Heaven forbid there be a symbiotic relationship between Null and High-Sec. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1540
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Posted - 2014.09.15 21:26:00 -
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Electrified Circuits wrote:Well you are entitled to your opinion too That's an officially stated CCP Dev statement that no area of space should be able to be independent. Not just my Opinion. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
70
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Posted - 2014.09.15 22:32:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Electrified Circuits wrote:Well you are entitled to your opinion too That's an officially stated CCP Dev statement that no area of space should be able to be independent. Not just my Opinion.
Mexallon is only one of hundreds of items we source from high sec; so yes, your (horribly unrealistic) comments about filling our mineral gap from static belts is your opinion and not a statement from CCP.
A change is going to be made to null mineral supplies because the system is currently broken. I don't know why you keep saying it's fine as it is, because it isn't (and the supply should be reduced, but balanced). Look forward to an update after the CSM meeting this week. |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
485
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:03:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Welcome to the free market.
People have over supplied the market for the highends, and undersupplied the lowends.
So the lowends are worth more than you'd have thought they were.
This. It's not CCP's job to regulate the market. That is why they have been systematically eliminating NPC supplied goods over the years. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:06:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Electrified Circuits wrote:I'm talking about the universal balance of minerals ie the whole market % ratios of demand for whats needed drives market prices, imo they are skewed wrong many mineral issues have been fixed in null i can get what i need to make things except Mexallon.
The value of the rares should remain high to keep nullsec a good pull away from lowsec thats whats going wrong here. Don't argue you have mineral issues you are supposed to only get high sec ores in high,lowsec. Nullsec gets all ores for good reason, to drive player driven content That's why you bother mining out all the low & mid ores in Null Sec static belts to balance your ratio's... Oh wait you don't! Also no area of space is meant to be independent. So if you get more Mex, what are you giving to high sec to keep the interdependencies going. we continue to throw you wretches pennies in exchange for trit |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
765
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Posted - 2014.09.15 23:08:00 -
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Dorian Wylde wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Welcome to the free market.
People have over supplied the market for the highends, and undersupplied the lowends.
So the lowends are worth more than you'd have thought they were. This. It's not CCP's job to regulate the market. That is why they have been systematically eliminating NPC supplied goods over the years. it is ccp's job to create a good game and as such they lay the ground rules. they don't "regulate" the market, they affect it on a much more fundamental level and do so routinely
here, the price of zyd clearly demonstrates they've failed at this balancing and revisions are needed. |
Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2133
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Posted - 2014.09.16 04:10:00 -
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Electrified Circuits wrote:I'm talking about the universal balance of minerals...
Minerals are balanced through EVE.
The fact that some players insist on an imbalanced approach to mining, especially in the much-lauded "Land of Milk and Honey" of Null, to achieve ridiculous ISK/hour goals... well, please continue.
I don't mind the fact that Mega and Zyd are crashing to near-historical lows -- saves me the trouble of mining them myself, never mind the tedium of hauling. So, please, keep flooding the Empire markets with those.
I don't mind the fact that Null's ongoing idiocy of ignoring it's own vast quantities of low-end minerals is allowing many people to sell the compressed ores, mined in Empire, at a significant premium over actual mineral value.
I don't mind the fact that, once again, CCP has made industrial life easier for people in Null and all that some of the Nullbears have done is get even more lazy. And whaddayaknow... here were are -- AHHHHHHHGAIN -- whine and cheese time.
But, please, continue with the "imbalance" preaching... you're making alot of us rich.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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