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Kazekage Dono
Little Girl and Co
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:44:54 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:This thread was lacking in GrrGoons anyways, thanks for bringing us up to par
I dunno goons on themselves aren't much to write home about, but the organisation behind it deserves admiration.
Aside from that the reason those belts don't respawn is because no one mines the belts in null anymore. Self fulfilling prophecy. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2014.12.23 18:50:56 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:This thread was lacking in GrrGoons anyways, thanks for bringing us up to par I dunno goons on themselves aren't much to write home about, but the organisation behind it deserves admiration. Aside from that the reason those belts don't respawn is because no one mines the belts in null anymore. Self fulfilling prophecy.
You really have no idea what we're talking about, please stop while you're ahead.
Heh. |
Kazekage Dono
Little Girl and Co
29
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Posted - 2014.12.23 19:58:21 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Kazekage Dono wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:This thread was lacking in GrrGoons anyways, thanks for bringing us up to par I dunno goons on themselves aren't much to write home about, but the organisation behind it deserves admiration. Aside from that the reason those belts don't respawn is because no one mines the belts in null anymore. Self fulfilling prophecy. You really have no idea what we're talking about, please stop while you're ahead. Heh.
Read the debunked part below.
eve wiki on belt respawn |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:19:40 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote: You really have no idea what we're talking about, please stop while you're ahead.
Kazekage Dono wrote:Read the debunked part below.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
291
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Posted - 2014.12.23 22:25:51 -
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I give this thread three more posts before Nevyn Auscent comes in again and tries to talk about how mining in normal asteroid belts in null is a valid option and is the solution to the crisis. |
Kazekage Dono
Little Girl and Co
29
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Posted - 2014.12.24 11:41:46 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:I give this thread three more posts before Nevyn Auscent comes in again and tries to talk about how mining in normal asteroid belts in null is a valid option and is the solution to the crisis.
You talk about all this grrrr goons ... Maybe i'm detecting a little more grrr highsec miners .
Looking at the gm quote, belts where never meant to be full on after every DT. You just want centralize everything to make it easy so you whine and moan for some biscuits. While the solution is decentralize. Next step is to temper tantrum on the floor like a 3 yo?
Somehow that reminds me allot of highsec miners who want to ban ganking ... you know biscuits. Ofcourse in your head you're so much better aren't you?
You where wrong, deal with the butthurt. |
Zedutchman
Freakingz
16
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Posted - 2014.12.24 20:42:37 -
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The problem isn't with the market and it isn't with supply and demand. Having all the huge null fleets "mine something else" wont help either. The problem is with mining, with risk and reward, and with Sov null space.
1. Mining is too easy..... It's to passive, it's too dull, and it's too easy to multibox. Even with the current state of the market, with an orca boost, and mining one of the mex ores in high-sec. Your still only making about 20mil an hour if you can get your down time to 0.. Which is terrible compared to everything else in the game.
However, People still mine anyway.... Lots of them, all the time, because you don't even have to be playing eve. I can start up my hulk, fly to a belt, and start sucking-up ore while playing SSFIV and still make 15mil an hour. There are fleets of multi-boxed ships HUGE ones with 15+ ships that people run everyday.... Not because mining is useful, or valuable, but because it's literally passive isk gain. You can make money, and don't have to do anything.
I can mine while I clean my house, do the dishes, study, play dota. I can mine while i'm at work... Hell with a remote desktop app on my phone i could mine while driving..... Because I don't only have to be paying attention for about 5 seconds every 6 mins.
There should be NO activity in eve that you can micromanage 15 ships at once. EVER. ISBOX or no.
2. Sov null is too safe. The sheer amount of megacyte and zydrain flooding the market is proof enough of that. Your safer mining anoms in null than you are in a 1.0 system in high-sec while mining. Which is ludicrous in all sorts of ways.
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Starbuck
Ark University ArK Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.12.25 11:37:42 -
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Shoogie wrote:I disagree with the concept of artificial price fixing just to keep Arkanor the most valuable ore. Let the market do its thing. Why is it a problem that it is not always the most valuable ore?
The null-sec renters who go, "Ooh shiny Arkanor!" are currently over-supplying those minerals. But they are happy doing it. (Proof that they are happy: they haven't stopped!) Smarter miners can open up a spreadsheet and figure out what they should be mining today.
If CCP keeps fiddling with the mineral content of asteroids to keep the prices matching the alphabetical order, doesn't that take away the last little bit of thinking that miners need to do? Why make the game even more boring for them?
It is also worth nothing that just because it isn't the most valuable doesn't mean it isn't worth grabbing. Arkanor is still worth quite a bit of money. The market is just adjusting to a supply and demand problem. Mexallon is in huge demand where I live. Meanwhile my Zydrine, Megacyte, and Nox store over supplied.
I don't really see this as a huge problem. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2014.12.26 19:17:51 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:You talk about all this grrrr goons ... Maybe i'm detecting a little more grrr highsec miners . Looking at the gm quote, belts where never meant to be full on after every DT. You just want centralize everything to make it easy so you whine and moan for some biscuits. While the solution is decentralize. Next step is to temper tantrum on the floor like a 3 yo? Somehow that reminds me allot of highsec miners who want to ban ganking ... you know biscuits. Ofcourse in your head you're so much better aren't you? You where wrong, deal with the butthurt.
This guy is clueless
We're talking about null anomalies- the ones you get from industrial upgrades. No one actually consistently mines in static null asteroid belts. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
293
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Posted - 2014.12.26 19:24:56 -
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Starbuck wrote: It is also worth nothing that just because it isn't the most valuable doesn't mean it isn't worth grabbing. Arkanor is still worth quite a bit of money. The market is just adjusting to a supply and demand problem. Mexallon is in huge demand where I live. Meanwhile my Zydrine, Megacyte, and Nox store over supplied.
I don't really see this as a huge problem.
Arkonor is the second least valuable ore in the game, behind omber.
Just because one unit of Arkonor is worth "a lot of money" doesn't make it worth mining. What you aren't looking at is the size of the Arkonor rock and how long it takes you to mine one unit.
Zydrine and Megacyte are way oversupplied and will continue to be oversupplied until CCP makes a change. There are infinite sources of high end minerals in null anomalies that produce significantly more Zydrine and Megacyte than the game can handle.
As I've said multiple times before in this thread- if CCP wants to continue to push production outwards and in to null, they will need to change the nullsec ore anomalies to fix their mineral supply.
Otherwise, people like Kazekage Dono will continue to mine in high sec for us with literally no clue how nullsec works; and we will continue not mining and doing things that are not the worst income in the game. |
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Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
197
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Posted - 2014.12.27 05:10:07 -
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The way I see it you guys are just messed up in thinking that megacyte et al are the high end minerals. They are not. Trit and pyerite are the high end minerals. This will become glaringly obvious when the ISBixer fleets are banned next month. These minerals have been added to the ABCS ores and are present in null. High sec mining needs a boost as it lags behind mission running in ISK per hour and requires a POS now that the money is in compression. Frankly nullsec mining has never had considerably higher ISK per hour than high sec mining except for the Rorqual. The reason to mine in null is to save JF costs importing to null industry by mining locally and by using Rorquals for free compression and better boosts.
I did the math before Crius even. ABCS were never significantly greater ISK per hour in and of themselves.
Quit freaking out about megacyte. It's fine. The coming tritanium shortage should be on your minds. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
531
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Posted - 2014.12.27 12:42:45 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:The way I see it you guys are just messed up in thinking that megacyte et al are the high end minerals. They are not. Trit and pyerite are the high end minerals. This will become glaringly obvious when the ISBixer fleets are banned next month. These minerals have been added to the ABCS ores and are present in null. High sec mining needs a boost as it lags behind mission running in ISK per hour and requires a POS now that the money is in compression. Frankly nullsec mining has never had considerably higher ISK per hour than high sec mining except for the Rorqual. The reason to mine in null is to save JF costs importing to null industry by mining locally and by using Rorquals for free compression and better boosts.
I did the math before Crius even. ABCS were never significantly greater ISK per hour in and of themselves.
Quit freaking out about megacyte. It's fine. The coming tritanium shortage should be on your minds.
There is no shortage of any of them. The goal seems to be to have us all fly around in T1 frigates and blap each other for lulz until our eyes melt out. Even T1 cruisers, I will get bored of the brain mush PvP long before I run out of ships.
One of the core reasons we are seeing gluts in minerals is, nobody runs big fleets of big ships anymore. We need large manufacturing, new manufacturing. Titans, Capitals, Capital parts are all in storage now. Every system from here to kingdom come has an outpost. There is nothing left to build.
R.I.P. Vile Rat
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Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
212
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:06:45 -
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Re Loci reply: According to the Mittani blogsite there are supposedly a lot more Titans & Caps being destroyed post the changes. Not that I have much experience of it.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
167
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Posted - 2014.12.28 14:15:21 -
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Zedutchman wrote:The problem isn't with the market and it isn't with supply and demand. Having all the huge null fleets "mine something else" wont help either. The problem is with mining, with risk and reward, and with Sov null space.
1. Mining is too easy..... It's too passive, it's too dull, and it's too easy to multibox. Even with the current state of the market, with an orca boost, and mining one of the mex ores in high-sec. Your still only making about 20mil an hour if you can get your down time to 0.. Which is terrible compared to everything else in the game.
However, People still mine anyway.... Lots of them, all the time, because you don't even have to be playing eve. I can start up my hulk, fly to a belt, and start sucking-up ore while playing SSFIV and still make 15mil an hour. There are fleets of multi-boxed ships HUGE ones with 15+ ships that people run everyday.... Not because mining is useful, or valuable, but because it's literally passive isk gain. You can make money, and don't have to do anything.
I can mine while I clean my house, do the dishes, study, play dota. I can mine while i'm at work... Hell with a remote desktop app on my phone i could mine while driving..... Because I only have to be paying attention for about 3 seconds every 6 mins.
There should be NO activity in eve that you can do effectively with 15 ships at once. EVER. ISBOX or no.
If all mineral prices fell by 75% tomorrow..... It would have almost no impact on the amout of people who mine. Because as long as you can make money doing nothing, people are going to do it while they arn't doing anything else.
2. Sov null is too safe. The sheer amount of megacyte and zydrain flooding the market is proof enough of that. Your safer mining anoms in null than you are in a 1.0 system in high-sec while mining. Which is ludicrous in all sorts of ways.
however, that's a much larger and more difficult problem than the basic mechanics of mining.
I think most miners would say mining isn't broken and that it doesn't need fixing. There is some risk involved if you are not paying attention and it is one of lower ISK per hour activities but I think that is fair considering the skill reqs etc. I agree large 'AFK' mining fleets are a problem but they can be dealt with most of the time.
Regarding nullsec sovereignty additional changes are probably not that far away and by this time next year it will probably be a different kettle of fish.
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Velicitia
Arma Artificer
2654
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Posted - 2014.12.28 16:53:33 -
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Ioci wrote:Paynus Maiassus wrote:The way I see it you guys are just messed up in thinking that megacyte et al are the high end minerals. They are not. Trit and pyerite are the high end minerals. This will become glaringly obvious when the ISBixer fleets are banned next month. These minerals have been added to the ABCS ores and are present in null. High sec mining needs a boost as it lags behind mission running in ISK per hour and requires a POS now that the money is in compression. Frankly nullsec mining has never had considerably higher ISK per hour than high sec mining except for the Rorqual. The reason to mine in null is to save JF costs importing to null industry by mining locally and by using Rorquals for free compression and better boosts.
I did the math before Crius even. ABCS were never significantly greater ISK per hour in and of themselves.
Quit freaking out about megacyte. It's fine. The coming tritanium shortage should be on your minds. There is no shortage of any of them. The goal seems to be to have us all fly around in T1 frigates and blap each other for lulz until our eyes melt out. Even T1 cruisers, I will get bored of the brain mush PvP long before I run out of ships. One of the core reasons we are seeing gluts in minerals is, nobody runs big fleets of big ships anymore. We need large manufacturing, new manufacturing. Titans, Capitals, Capital parts are all in storage now. Every system from here to kingdom come has an outpost. There is nothing left to build.
^ This.
Given Seagull's plans though ... perhaps we're in the lull before the next great war / expansion endeavour?
One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
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Civ Kado
Alpha Velorum
52
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Posted - 2014.12.28 17:56:02 -
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I like the points from both sides of the argument.
To be honest, I think the only way to settle this would be to hear CCP's case on why minerals do not seem to fall into the category of "the more risk you take, the higher the reward". if I had to speculate, I think it's pretty much what loci said, the goal is to have us pvp in frigates for the vast majority of times. an over abundance of mineral makes this possible because it keeps an abundant supply of cheap frigs and destroyers that even a mediocre alliance can afford to give them out for free at a moment's notice.
I could be wrong, but I think that's why minerals don't hold up to the scracity of other raw resources like say gases. Personally, I wish mineral/ores were held to the scarcity standard of gas clouds. On one side you have common sites which, while not the most profitable will still net you a decent income considering, and then on the other side you have ultra rare gases that easily surpass one hour of doing highsec incursion. The risk players take to mine these rare gases is very worth it because the reward is very much worth it.
it seems like reward was scrapped away in favor of an abundance of supply and giving the opportunity to destroy cheaply fitted frigates for hours on end. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
516
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Posted - 2015.03.19 14:17:59 -
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Hey remember that one time that I kept pointing out how something was broken and people kept saying no?
Hope you all had stocked up on zyd/mega. |
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
84
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Posted - 2015.03.20 13:57:39 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:As I've said multiple times before in this thread- if CCP wants to continue to push production outwards and in to null, they will need to change the nullsec ore anomalies to fix their mineral supply.
Although I did not agree with you it seems you have been heard. |
Hippinse
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.03.21 15:45:28 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Hey remember that one time that I kept pointing out how something was broken and people kept saying no?
Some of us agreed that from your point of view it was broken, but that the fix would be equally if not more unfair to everyone else everywhere. Guess we'll try it that way then. |
Hippinse
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.03.21 16:50:22 -
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Hippinse wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Hey remember that one time that I kept pointing out how something was broken and people kept saying no?
Some of us agreed that from your point of view it was broken, but that the fix would be equally if not more unfair to everyone else everywhere. Guess we'll try it that way then.
...aaaaand, as I should have continued, it's possible that these changes will be just fine due to the addition of *other* changes which will affect supply/demand and risk/reward. Null might become more dangerous for the inhabitants. The demand for minerals (due to new structures?) might skyrocket far beyond the current supply. Etc. I don't want to give the impression that I'm certain of the exact ramifications of this change in every section of space. |
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
16
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Posted - 2015.03.21 17:29:25 -
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With the removal of Arkonor and other high ends from nullsec industrial sites, and the coming Great Eve War III, prices should return to their normal mean, which is around 2,900 ISK / unit for Megacyte with all-time high being 5,225 and 1,600 ISK for Zydrine with ATH being 3,200.
Export to highsec of the above minerals will reduced, to what extend - uncertain, but with the new multi-ore asteroid additions, and the proportional yield, production will become local and what few surplus that remains may end up in Empire. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2015.03.21 22:56:56 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Hey remember that one time that I kept pointing out how something was broken and people kept saying no?
Hope you all had stocked up on zyd/mega. And hopefully we've all been reminded that when Goonswarm makes a push on a game change (be it ship balancing or industry), we need to be prepared for that change to happen.
Especially with 4 CSM members.
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GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
18
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Posted - 2015.03.22 00:50:18 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Hey remember that one time that I kept pointing out how something was broken and people kept saying no?
Hope you all had stocked up on zyd/mega. And hopefully we've all been reminded that when Goonswarm makes a push on a game change (be it ship balancing or industry), we need to be prepared for that change to happen. Especially with 4 CSM members.
However, is the proposed change bad?
In what Universe do you have Nocx priced higher than Zydrine? Oh, in a broken one.
Thread willsoon be populated with Mexallon bugs, if it isn't already.
Hope you sold your pile in time.
P.S. This change will revitalise Low-sec mining in non-FW regions, as profitability of lower-end falls. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
222
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Posted - 2015.03.22 10:40:32 -
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I doubt mining in low sec will ever become a viable or popular activity. For the most part it's something you try once and lose your ship doing so in a relatively short time. Once bitten twice shy.
" They're gonna feel pretty stupid when they find out. "-áRick.
" Find out what ? "-áAbraham.
" They're screwing with the wrong people. "-áRick.
Season four.-á-á ' The Walking Dead. ' .
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Hippinse
University of Caille Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:32:48 -
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GankYou wrote:However, is the proposed change bad?
It's possible that optimizing the game (reprocessing, industry, and now mining) around one subset of players at the expense of the other subsets will turn out badly for those not in the favored subset. (And lowsec ore prices would have to rise to a point where people complained and got the game 'fixed' before lowsec mining will be viable.)
Thankfully the favored subset will surely be magnanimous in victory, and not use their newfound complete self-reliance to prey upon all others with contem-.... huh. Well, I guess that's kind of silly since they were doing that even when it did have ramifications.
Well played. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
21
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Posted - 2015.03.22 19:38:58 -
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Hippinse wrote:GankYou wrote:However, is the proposed change bad? It's possible that optimizing the game (reprocessing, industry, and now mining) around one subset of players at the expense of the other subsets will turn out badly for those not in the favored subset..
I don't see the issue you all purport to see.
You think Zydrine below Nocx for 5 years is alright? Nullsec used to have mining, you know. Used to. Back in 2007-8 when the game was healthy and breaking all-time highs in population numbers.
Now, all you have is stagnating nullsec ALONG with highsec - only the hardcorers are left, the people who are used to 58 Mex and 400 Zydrine, elite small roaming gangs spamming GFGF with nobody even considering taking sov of another entity, and for them nothing else matters.
Even if the game dies due to several structural imbalances and distorted markets, they want to enjoy their little sand castle empires for a little longer.
Now THAT is the real issue at hand. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
517
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Posted - 2015.03.22 22:07:49 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:Hey remember that one time that I kept pointing out how something was broken and people kept saying no?
Hope you all had stocked up on zyd/mega. And hopefully we've all been reminded that when Goonswarm makes a push on a game change (be it ship balancing or industry), we need to be prepared for that change to happen. Especially with 4 CSM members.
The irony in this is that the region that benefits the most from this change is Provi and renter regions, because they have the highest density of miners mining ore in their space.
This change will make the progression of the mining profession make more sense and will allow nullsec to mine enough ore locally to feed a significant portion of the demand.
However, don't be fooled- we'll still be reliant on highsec minerals to produce supers/titans. They require a ton of minerals.
That's if CCP doesn't continue to make them worthless
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1483
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Posted - 2015.03.23 04:09:45 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Welcome to the free market.
People have over supplied the market for the highends, and undersupplied the lowends.
So the lowends are worth more than you'd have thought they were.
I believe you mean, welcome to the failed product of CCP's ore ratio passes. Highsec is supplying 70% of the ore in the game, almost all as low ends, and yet there is still such a horrible ratio of high ends to low ends in null that the market is flooded with high end minerals. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
29
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Posted - 2015.03.23 05:13:57 -
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Regarding the supply of low-end minerals:
1) Prior to capital ships use rise, the price of Tritanium historically held around 4 ISK p/u, and the notion that currently we are under-supplied is largely correct, which is reflected in today's price.
However, depending on the new meta post-new sov, we will either see present levels, if capital use is intact, otherwise we retrace to 2011-2012 levels and bottom around 3.7-4 ISK, which I think is the likely scenario given the compounded effect of the coming nullsec self-sufficiency implementation.
2) I'm registering huge volume dumps of Mexallon today, which largely confirms the latter scenario as described in point one. Very high volume has been consistent since March 17th, which was two days before the Fanfest.
Mexallon itself peaked back in October of 2014. Seeing it back under 40 ISK / unit in due time shouldn't be unexpected.
3) Nocxium is a mystery. Nocx really took off from 160 ISK p/u in Autumn of 2010, peaking a few months later around 575 ISK p/u.
What changes happened back then to promt this? From my analysis, the movement looks like a gradual increase in demand for an on-going War. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
517
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Posted - 2015.03.23 06:10:11 -
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GankYou wrote:Regarding the supply of low-end minerals: 1) Prior to capital ships use rise, the price of Tritanium historically held around 4 ISK p/u, and the notion that currently we are under-supplied is largely correct, which is reflected in today's price. However, depending on the new meta post-new sov, we will either see present levels, if capital use is intact, otherwise we retrace to 2011-2012 levels and bottom around 3.7-4 ISK, which I think is the likely scenario given the compounded effect of the coming nullsec self-sufficiency implementation. 2) I'm registering huge volume dumps of Mexallon today, which largely confirms the latter scenario as described in point one. Very high volume has been consistent since March 17th, which was two days before the Fanfest. Mexallon itself peaked back in October of 2014. Seeing it back under 40 ISK / unit in due time shouldn't be unexpected. 3) Nocxium is a mystery. Nocx really took off from 160 ISK p/u in Autumn of 2010, peaking a few months later around 575 ISK p/u. What changes happened back then to promt this? From my analysis, the movement looks like a gradual increase in demand for an on-going War. Update: The movements in Pyerite correlate with Mexallon. Going back, the median price of Pyerite had always been 4.5 ISK / unit with spikes upto 7 ISK p/u in times of war. The current bubbles in Mex & Pyerite are mirrored in the over-supply of Zydrine & Megacyte. Distorted markets due to government intervention --- the badly-designed anomalies and neglected asteroid belts. Eve is real.
I agree with your evaluation, specifically with Pyerite and Mex- they're going to take a hit as the null ore anoms are fixed. Large quantities of trit will still be required to be imported from highsec due to existing ship mineral requirements. However, the increased supply from null will drive trit prices lower to pre-crius/pre-isboxernerf prices.
In order for CCP to fix null mining, zyd, mega and morphite are going to need to raise in price- mostly attributed to a decrease in supply. CCP did mention that they're going to change ship mineral requirements, which leads me to believe that they'll also increase the required high ends and morphite in their respective categories. Without seeing numbers, it's impossible to accurately predict where zyd/mega will increase to, but it should continue to drive towards older numbers. I don't believe we'll ever see zyd or mega back where they used to be in their glory days, but it'll still be another 100% or more than their current prices.
The issue isn't whether or not zyd or mega will reach those levels. It's more of a gamble on how long existing stockpiles will last before prices reach the appropriate level based on supply- which could be year(s). Zyd and Mega are now long plays for huge profits; a mini GS even.
The irony of this is that Fozzie only announced these changes right after saying "we don't want to disclose any details so that you people [at fanfest] don't miss out on any market opportunities". As he was finishing his sentence about null ore anoms, I was clearing out zyd at ~410 and mega at ~720 |
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