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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:52:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Yeah, it actually completely refutes that "fact", since your only actual example was something you made up on the spot. Honestly, I can't be bothered to argue this. If you want to think that wardecers are not risk averse and take even odd, even though it's commonly known that is not the case, then proceed, IDGAF. It doesn't change my point of view.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You're just spouting off carebear talking points at this point, and you aren't at all interested in the realities of the game. Wrong. I've happily accepted that the game will never change, since the majority of the playrbase is hostile to ANY change, so instead I'm giving those carebears the good advice of joining NPC corps, which accomplishes both the removal of wardecs and the pissing off of people like you. It is however a fully valid tactic.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:"Gankers are evil, wardecs make people quit, PvP shouldn't happen in highsec because new players" and all those other lies. Other than wardecs make SOME people quit, the rest of that you've made up. So I apologise for not being able to back up claims that you have made up and then attributed to me. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4163
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Posted - 2014.08.30 02:56:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:What am I projecting? If its my opinion that its not impossible for anyone to learn how to fight, which is what you said, ten yes, I am projecting that opinion. Because its a fricking fact. I didn't say they can't LEARN to fight though did I? I said they CANT fight back. Of course they can learn, but they probably don't want to. NOT EVERYONE WANTS TO PLAY THE GAME THE SAME WAY YOU DO. Is that clear enough for you to understand?
Ramona McCandless wrote:In a GOOD CORP new players are taught how not to get scammed, how not to die in a war and how to avoid being ganked. Their CEO makes sure AWOXing is made virtually impossible.
If you dont understand that, then you are THE SHITTEST CEO this side of Joe Phoenix I've never seen a single corp where all members are immune to all forms of negative interaction. Even if such a place does exist, the majority of the playerbase (which is what we are discussing here) do not have access to it, so it's irrelevant.
Joining an NPC corp is a sound and valid tactic. You don't like it, and that's fair enough, but it's very effective and requires minimal effort. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9341
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:03:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: If you want to think that wardecers are not risk averse and take even odd, even though it's commonly known that is not the case
I didn't say they take even odds. No one who isn't an idiot does that on purpose.
I did say that your claims that they only undock with 99% certainty are nonsense. And they are. You're just trying to apply the negative label of "risk averse" (one that rightly belongs to the people you are advocating for) to justify your continued campaign to have PvP nerfed in highsec, you've been doing this for a while now, across several boards on this site.
And you aren't doing anything original, either. This same nonsense has been repeated by so many carebear advocates before you. It was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4163
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: If you want to think that wardecers are not risk averse and take even odd, even though it's commonly known that is not the case I didn't say they take even odds. No one who isn't an idiot does that on purpose. I did say that your claims that they only undock with 99% certainty are nonsense. And they are. You're just trying to apply the negative label of "risk averse" (one that rightly belongs to the people you are advocating for) to justify your continued campaign to have PvP nerfed in highsec, you've been doing this for a while now, across several boards on this site. And you aren't doing anything original, either. This same nonsense has been repeated by so many carebear advocates before you. It was bullshit then, and it's bullshit now. No, I totally accept that no nerf will be coming even though my opinions on the matter remain the same (and in fact are only strengthened by CCP shutting down their SF office). But I hereby declare there shall be no nerfs.
Clear enough?
Most wardeccers are still risk averse. They do not want to lose their 95+% isk efficiency, so they use neutral logi and only undock when they significantly outgun their enemies.
And at no point did I ever say carebears weren't risk averse either. I'm even suggesting the most risk averse solution to avoiding wardecs, on purpose.
Regarding my opinions though, I don't want high sec to be totally safe, or even globally safer, but I don';t see the problem with people waning to play the game in whatever way they want. If they want to avoid all combat, then they by all means should, and if someone wants to try to kill them, they can too. What I mostly disagree with though is someone having a hard time with the game, then having 200 morons crawling out of the woodwork screaming insults at them and telling them to get over it or quit. It's a game which a lot of people take way too seriously, and the new player experience sucks beyond belief mainly because many people that play this game are assholes that don't like outsiders who don't agree with their every opinion. Rather than responding like adults, they choose to respond like 12 year olds, and so I'll continue to poke them with a very large stick until they either shut up or divert all of their attention towards personally attacking me, at which point I'm clearly victorious. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9262
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Posted - 2014.08.30 03:35:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:
Most wardeccers are still risk averse. They do not want to lose their 95+% isk efficiency, so they use neutral logi and only undock when they significantly outgun their enemies.
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Regarding my opinions though, I don't want high sec to be totally safe, or even globally safer, but I don';t see the problem with people waning to play the game in whatever way they want. If they want to avoid all combat, then they by all means should, and if someone wants to try to kill them, they can too. What I mostly disagree with though is someone having a hard time with the game, then having 200 morons crawling out of the woodwork screaming insults at them and telling them to get over it or quit. It's a game which a lot of people take way too seriously, and the new player experience sucks beyond belief mainly because many people that play this game are assholes that don't like outsiders who don't agree with their every opinion. Rather than responding like adults, they choose to respond like 12 year olds, and so I'll continue to poke them with a very large stick until they either shut up or divert all of their attention towards personally attacking me, at which point I'm clearly victorious.
I see that all of the points you've brought up have nothing to do with the existing or proposed wardecc mechanics.
1. Wardeccers are risk averse: It has been shown how wardeccers can be trounced using their own tactics. The fact that they may be risk averse is a human trait and has nothing to do with the mechanics. This risk averse player would be doing other risk averse stuff, given a completely different set of mechanics.
2. Screaming insults and people behaving like children. This behavior should be documented and shamed/reported. Wardecc mechanics have nothing to do with this.
3. Someone having a hard time with the game. You're right, a wardecc doesn't "help" this situation, but I don't really see how learning to use Local better, being aware that highsec is a battleground, and being situationally paranoid is a BAD thing. No, this is a good thing and will produce better players.
4. People playing the game however they want. You know, as they say.. your right to play the game however you want ends at my barrel which I can choose to fire however I want. We all share the same room, so don't expect to always sleep in top bunk.
So.. you want to continue criticizing human behavior, or actually talk about the mechanics and how that might change the game?
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Kurosaki Rukia
Abysmal Gentlemen We Didn't Mean It
11
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:02:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote: 1. Of course there is. A 2 man industrial corp for example would stand no chance of fighting a 500 man merc corp
But they could avoid doing whatever it is that pissed someone off enough to hire a 500 man merc corp against them in the first place. :D
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9342
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:19:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:but I don';t see the problem with people waning to play the game in whatever way they want.
If the way they want to play the game runs contrary to the sandbox, then I see a problem with it.
Such as "I should be safe even if I put zero effort into defending myself", yeah, I have a huge problem with those people. Because they are setting their willingness to play the game being based entirely on the elimination of several other playstyles, and that is just despicable.
Basically, people who try and use their subscription to hold other people's gameplay hostage, those are the people I have a problem with.
Figure it out yet? Or are you still going to pound the tired old drum about theoretical newbies with bad attitudes being told where they can go stick their attitude?
Speaking of which, I would love to know the genesis of your recent carebear advocacy. I bet it's something just heartbreaking. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1094
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Posted - 2014.08.30 04:41:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:What I mostly disagree with though is someone having a hard time with the game, then having 200 morons crawling out of the woodwork screaming insults at them and telling them to get over it or quit. Is this meant to characterise this thread? Have you even read the edited OP?
Actually, you probably have, because you stepped in and took up his mantle the moment he actually listened and changed his view. [witty image] - Stream |
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2014.08.30 05:25:00 -
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What is this war dec you speak of? |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1552
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Posted - 2014.08.30 07:54:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:were crap, you are crap, and nobody, not even your alliance leader cares about your opinion.
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of panes of glass suddenly cried out in terror, and were shattered. I fear something terrible has happened. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9230
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Posted - 2014.08.30 07:59:00 -
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Please, everyone, grief me as hard as you can ... ... wardec my corp ... ... and try to make me leave the game.
I dare you ........
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Sykaotic
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:16:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers
Am I actually on the Eve Official forums or is this some Twilight Zone like dream induced by just getting out of the hospital with pneumonia? (Yeah just got out).
Normally this question brings out all the asshats (Hi Sec Pvpers aka players who do not have the balls or motivation to do real Pvp in low or null sec aka the losers you see in all mmorpgs that basically are lazy bums who prey on easy targets.
While a merc corp is a shot back, many will not even show up and just keep your isk ( On a side-note -Mentally Assured Destruction is truly the only one that ever showed up for me and they will get the job done). But this is just a shot back and will not stop the lazy pseudo Pvpers so dont waste your isk.
Keep in mind the strategy to get "bears" to man up and pvp is merely a propaganda campaign to blow up your ships and herd you into the pvp fodder cannon.
Do what you want.
Want Pvp? Go to null or low... dont need a damn corp either. Want to do missions or exploration? Stay NPC.
Dont listen to the sheep hearders. I mean look at this guy.... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_(Character)#About_Chribba
To wit: " To this day Chribba has been the sole pilot of both the corporation and alliance, rumors are the corp/alliance chat is very quiet."
Good luck... and amazed at the change of tone in this thread as to how Eve Forums usually are. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
564
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Speaking of which, I would love to know the genesis of your recent carebear advocacy. I bet it's something just heartbreaking.
It started just after this article by The Mittani |
Kurosaki Rukia
Abysmal Gentlemen We Didn't Mean It
14
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:41:00 -
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Sykaotic wrote:Lan Wang wrote:move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers Am I actually on the Eve Official forums or is this some Twilight Zone like dream induced by just getting out of the hospital with pneumonia? (Yeah just got out). Normally this question brings out all the asshats (Hi Sec Pvpers aka players who do not have the balls or motivation to do real Pvp in low or null sec aka the losers you see in all mmorpgs that basically are lazy bums who prey on easy targets. While a merc corp is a shot back, many will not even show up and just keep your isk ( On a side-note -Mentally Assured Destruction is truly the only one that ever showed up for me and they will get the job done). But this is just a shot back and will not stop the lazy pseudo Pvpers so dont waste your isk. Keep in mind the strategy to get "bears" to man up and pvp is merely a propaganda campaign to blow up your ships and herd you into the pvp fodder cannon. Do what you want. Want Pvp? Go to null or low... dont need a damn corp either. Want to do missions or exploration? Stay NPC. Dont listen to the sheep hearders. I mean look at this guy.... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_(Character)#About_ChribbaTo wit: " To this day Chribba has been the sole pilot of both the corporation and alliance, rumors are the corp/alliance chat is very quiet." Good luck... and amazed at the change of tone in this thread as to how Eve Forums usually are.
"Real PVPers"? Last time I met you Sykaotic you were in a 108 man "Real PVP" corp that decced a 3 man PVP corp over a thrasher, and got anhialated to the tune of 8 billion by the very same highsec wardec "fake pvp" corp that was the original cause of this very thread. Ironic I know.
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Kurosaki Rukia
Abysmal Gentlemen We Didn't Mean It
14
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:42:00 -
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*snip* accidental double post |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9233
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Posted - 2014.08.30 08:43:00 -
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Weak minds tend to speak in terms of "real pvp" because it accustomes their inflated, weak egos so much. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Valkin Mordirc
164
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Posted - 2014.08.30 09:53:00 -
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Sykaotic wrote:Lan Wang wrote:move to lowsec or null and avoid fake pvpers Am I actually on the Eve Official forums or is this some Twilight Zone like dream induced by just getting out of the hospital with pneumonia? (Yeah just got out). Normally this question brings out all the asshats (Hi Sec Pvpers aka players who do not have the balls or motivation to do real Pvp in low or null sec aka the losers you see in all mmorpgs that basically are lazy bums who prey on easy targets. While a merc corp is a shot back, many will not even show up and just keep your isk ( On a side-note -Mentally Assured Destruction is truly the only one that ever showed up for me and they will get the job done). But this is just a shot back and will not stop the lazy pseudo Pvpers so dont waste your isk. Keep in mind the strategy to get "bears" to man up and pvp is merely a propaganda campaign to blow up your ships and herd you into the pvp fodder cannon. Do what you want. Want Pvp? Go to null or low... dont need a damn corp either. Want to do missions or exploration? Stay NPC. Dont listen to the sheep hearders. I mean look at this guy.... https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chribba_(Character)#About_ChribbaTo wit: " To this day Chribba has been the sole pilot of both the corporation and alliance, rumors are the corp/alliance chat is very quiet." Good luck... and amazed at the change of tone in this thread as to how Eve Forums usually are.
Real PVP is only in lowsec huh, So a lowsec corp can totally own a highsec Merc corp in highsec?
https://zkillboard.com/war/370433/
Did you somehow forget how Abysmal and Son's of Plunder ripped your corp apart? A War that went to lowsec and highsec?
Psychotic Monk for CSM9
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9355
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Posted - 2014.08.30 10:14:00 -
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Oh, to everyone here.
There is no "real PvP" and "fake PvP". Just PvP.
And unless you somehow live off the ammo from NPC drops and make your own ships from NPC bought plans and minerals refined from loot drops, therefore being totally self reliant, the entire game is PvP in some way or another.
There is the game. That's it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9355
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Posted - 2014.08.30 10:53:00 -
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Note to self, investigate viability of "space hobo" playstyle. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
97
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:12:00 -
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Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between EVEALON Creative --áLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -áWeb Design | Website Graphics -á
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1634
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:28:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:But that still doesn't change the fact that if a wardeccer ONLY decs targets that can't possibly fight back, the fact that none of there targets can fight back isn't the fault of the targets, it's the target selection criteria. It's like if you only pick rotten apples out of a batch, it's not the apples fault that all of your apples are rotten.
Except apples don't choose to be rotten, but in EVE Online it's your choice if you want to be weak and defenseless or not. Everyone is capable of fighting back because everyone is capable of training the same skills and coming together in groups. There is no "class" system. The playing field is level.
Lucas Kell wrote:A 2 man industrial corp for example would stand no chance of fighting a 500 man merc corp
First of all, in this scenario it's still their choice to be a 2 man Industrial corp. It's their choice to be "defenseless".
Second of all, you have it backwards. In practice, it's usually the 2 man PvP corp wardecing the 500 man Industrial alliance. And because the 500 man Industrial alliance chooses to be defenseless, the 2 man PvP corp usually owns the field.
Lucas Kell wrote:the fact is that some people do not have the skills, either character or personal to fight back.
Again, that's choice. You choose what skills to train.
Lucas Kell wrote:It is funny though that you think that you get to decide if any crap is going to fly in this community, as if I'm supposed to care what you think, even remotely. You've pretty much guaranteed that I'll never take you seriously since you appear to be unable to comprehend basic English and leap to conclusions faster than flies on ****.
But please, continue to misunderstand posts and screech like a child. It's pretty hilarious to read.
You care because you're replying in an emotionally charged manner. Also thank you for making my day; the best type of irony is the unintentional type, and you're a master at that. :)
In conclusion, Lucas... it doesn't seem you know what you're talking about most of the time. Your entire argument is based on nothing more than hyperbole and the hypothetical. "What if is this, what if that, here's some numbers I made up." I mean honestly what do you really have to go on except your feeeeeeliiiiiiings on the subject? Epic Space Cat |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1634
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:31:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Au contraire, there are some pretty awesome stories of HiSec content creation.
Lan Wang wrote:Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between
They're already making plenty of great content in HiSec, why should they move? Epic Space Cat |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9241
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:32:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between
Here we have another example of someone who draws his self worth from what s/he believes is "true PvP".
Please note that these people do indeed believe they are better ... ... as they put themselves into the group of "true" ones ... ... while they put the others into the "false". http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4165
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:38:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:*a post completely missing all points* You seem to still be arguing against something I'm not stating. I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless, because they choose their targets specifically because they are defenseless. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp so I don;t know why you seem to be struggling. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9356
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:40:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is ...
... a term you use to attempt to apply a negative label to behavior you want to be illegitimate.
But it's not illegitimate, no matter how much you lot try to point fingers and shame. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9356
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:43:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless
No, that's not their fault either.
It's CCP's fault, because of the way the wardec pricing scheme works right now. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Prince Kobol
2116
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:45:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Xuixien wrote:*a post completely missing all points* You seem to still be arguing against something I'm not stating. I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless, because they choose their targets specifically because they are defenseless. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp so I don;t know why you seem to be struggling.
No, they chose to be defenceless and by running away and hiding in a NPC corps they learn nothing and I would wage that those newer player who hide in a NPC corps end up leaving because they experience very little that the game has to offer.
Those players who chose to fight and there are many way forms of PvP, even if that means cloaking up in system and laughing at the more experience players chasing their tails in local then so be it.
Those players who chose to fight back in what ever way they can are more likely to stick around as they get what Eve is all about.
These are the kind of players that make Eve stronger. The kind of players you want that will just hide in NPC Corps will do more damage to the long term health of Eve then anything else.
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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1635
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:49:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Xuixien wrote:*a post completely missing all points* You seem to still be arguing against something I'm not stating. I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless, because they choose their targets specifically because they are defenseless. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp so I don;t know why you seem to be struggling.
I'm going to overlook the fact that you glossed over most of my post. In a way I understand why you did that. And I'm not completely without grace.
I'm going to return to your original point:
Lucas Kell wrote:You were right though OP, wardecs are pretty much for griefing. Most wardecs are set up against corps that either will not or cannot retaliate... war decs are terrible and need to be looked at. They should generate combat, not one sided ganks, but the question is and always has been, how can it be changed to do just that?
Again: No one in EVE Online is defenseless unless they choose to be. Again: You've advocated that CCP change WarDec'ing. Again: There is no reason that CCP should change WarDec'ing simply because some players have made the choice to be the bottom of the food chain.
Lucas Kell wrote:it's all of the noobs fault that they are unable to defend against people well experienced and prepared in wars, even though those same people could war with competent groups thus generating actual content?
Again: There's no such thing as "actual content" vs "fake content". Content is content. Again: There's no such thing as "real PvP" vs "fake PvP". PvP is PvP.
I'm genuinely interested to see how you're going to evade my points this time. Will you completely ignore my post, or are you going to do some quotefu? Epic Space Cat |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1635
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Posted - 2014.08.30 11:52:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Xuixien wrote:*a post completely missing all points* You seem to still be arguing against something I'm not stating. I never said that it's the fault of wardeccers that defenseless people exist, but it is their fault that the majority of their targets are defenseless, because they choose their targets specifically because they are defenseless. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp so I don;t know why you seem to be struggling. No, they chose to be defenceless and by running away and hiding in a NPC corps were they learn nothing and I would wage that those newer player who hide in a NPC corps end up leaving because they experience very little that the game has to offer. Those players who chose to fight and there are many way forms of PvP, even if that means cloaking up in system and laughing at the more experience players chasing their tails in local then so be it. Those players who chose to fight back in what ever way they can are more likely to stick around as they get what Eve is all about. These are the kind of players that make Eve stronger. The kind of players you want that will just hide in NPC Corps will do more damage to the long term health of Eve then anything else. I would prefer 100 new players that understand and accept what Eve is then 10000 players who want what apparently you want and that is a High Sec where PvP is removed.
100% this.
CCP did a presentation of this at Fanfest.
Epic Space Cat |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
97
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Posted - 2014.08.30 12:24:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Fake pvp is killing an industrial and thinking it should be viable for a gf in local, all the great stories of eve dont involve the 200 man highsec merc corps wardeccing the 50man mining corps because thats not great news and not even a cool story. Experienced players killing rookies is an even worse story
Stay in npc corps and dont give wardeccers the satisfaction, hopefully this will force them to low and nullsec where more great content can be made, i doubt it though as easy targets in null are few and far between Here we have another example of someone who draws his self worth from what s/he believes is "true PvP". Please note that these people do indeed believe they are better ... ... as they put themselves into the group of "true" ones ... ... while they put the others into the "false".
I dont take my sports car out on the weekend and overtake a bus and class it as a race so whats the difference, "hi mate i had a good race with a bus today totally thrashed it" not really a race was it? But but it was a person driving the bus so it must have been a race as he was going in the same direction as me
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