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Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1597
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:40:00 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:My personal view is that high sec should be more a PvE Carebear learn the ropes for new players place and give experienced players a safe, but not economically advantageous, place to earn ISK.
Thank god for all of us that you do make these sorts of decisions. I don't mean this to insult you (much), but honestly it doesn't seem like you have a grasp on EVE. In EVE, everything is based on risk/reward. Having a safe place would be "economically advantageous" for the very fact that it screws up the equation by not having risk. In fact, HiSec already exists in a broken risk/reward imbalance, which is why most characters (75%+) live in HiSec, despite other areas of space being, on paper, more lucrative. It's the risk factor in the equation. HiSec is broken. It needs to be more dangerous, not safer. If you made HiSec even safer, only the most hardcore players would ever venture into other areas, and EVE in fact would die as safety is boring and players would have little incentive to interact and would eventually quit the game.
And we already do have "kid glove" areas of the game where griefing is off limits and you can learn the ropes a bit - they're called rookie systems. After that you're on your own. It should be up to the players to learn the game and teach achother about the game. It shouldn't be left in the hands of CCP (read: tutorials and NPCs). Don't get me wrong - the tutorials can be a great way to get people's feet wet, but once you leave those starting systems, EVE should really become that cold harsh world.
Paynus Maiassus wrote:I am all for stiffening up CONCORD, making Ganking nigh impossible, and making the warded mechanics restrictive. This is not what the majority of the experienced player base wants
This is not what any significant portion of the player base wants save for a very vocal minority such as yourself. Epic Space Cat |
Paranoid Loyd
1603
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:43:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:An innocent carebear had his pimpmobile murdered in hisec in your name. That Navy Mega fit is awful, a half billion isk shitfit. You should see the rattlesnake I killed last night (link in Sig)
LOL, his second one this month. #slowlearner
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20435
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:47:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:An innocent carebear had his pimpmobile murdered in hisec in your name. That Navy Mega fit is awful, a half billion isk shitfit. You should see the rattlesnake I killed last night (link in Sig) LOL, his second one this month. #slowlearner The Caracal is amusing too, he had a missile loaded for every occasion, and a WCS for some strange reason.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4322
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:51:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Xuixien wrote:Lan Wang wrote:you seem to be missing the point, 2 week old players dont know any of this stuff on how to avoid pro-wardeccers they too busy trying to leant the basics So start your own training corp, then. In before "I can't be assed". For goodness sakes I spent the time last night to explain to a newbie what a margin scam was, and last week I took some time explaining freighter webbing to some corpies. Me. You will never find anyone more willing to support just about any and all forms of "griefing", and if I can help out newbies, surely someone whose heart aches as much as yours for their plight can help out. It's ironic how the "evil sociopath griefers" do more to advocate for newbies than the so-called newbie advocates themselves, isn't it? I actually stayed up till half 4 this morning scanning down mission runners for a bloodthirsty Swiss nobie i sploded about it three or for weeks ago whilst attempting to explain how to flip a bear and the notion of sigtanking , drunk , through the fleet chat window because he didn't have a Mike...I'm dyslexic. Didn't have to do that, infact the sheer volume of juicy and effectively blinded (ala overview fiasco) bears falling about the place lastnight was staggering.
Worth it though if we get a newbro for the Corp. =][= |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
713
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:58:00 -
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Establish a channel that has all the people you might call corp mates in it.
The Corporation mechanic is not the best option for social building. Once you have a proper social network established, you can even link alts to a corp system and watch people **** their ISK away on war dec's.
This entire alliance I am in is me. War Dec away, you won't get a dime, you won't get a kill. Any mains in the Alliance have no roles and will be gone before the war dec starts. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4322
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Posted - 2014.08.27 17:58:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:An innocent carebear had his pimpmobile murdered in hisec in your name. That Navy Mega fit is awful, a half billion isk shitfit. You should see the rattlesnake I killed last night (link in Sig) LOL, his second one this month. #slowlearner The Caracal is amusing too, he had a missile loaded for every occasion, and a WCS for some strange reason. He engaged dispite our in Corp logi pilot (who was there for the above mentioned bloodthirsty Swiss) derped into the mission pocket first and then sat there..."he can't be that stupid...oh my" =][= |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20438
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:16:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:"he can't be that stupid...oh my" Never underestimate the power of stupidity, it's so OP that not even your deity of choice can nerf it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
thatonepersone
Abysmal Gentlemen We Didn't Mean It
2
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:47:00 -
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Lord Nukington wrote:One guy got me about 17 jumps away while I was doing security missions in Amarr space, I look at his profile and he joined the corp that day, and appeared in my backside. I get away with my pod and he sends me the message "GF bra" then proceeds to stalk the system I'm in until I log out for the night.
GF bra |
Ky Vatta
Majority 12
20
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:51:00 -
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From experience I have noticed that many newer players do not follow any communications advice
ie they totally ignore evemail, local chat, even corp chat.....then start moaning because nobody gives them advice |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4326
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:53:00 -
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Ky Vatta wrote:From experience I have noticed that many newer players do not follow any communications advice ie they totally ignore evemail, local chat, even corp chat.....then start moaning because nobody gives them advice that's why you shoot them in the face first silly =][= |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20449
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:01:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Ky Vatta wrote:From experience I have noticed that many newer players do not follow any communications advice ie they totally ignore evemail, local chat, even corp chat.....then start moaning because nobody gives them advice that's why you shoot them in the face first silly Killing is just a means of communication
CCP should enter Eurovision, they should walk it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Don Purple
The Pursuit of Happiness
424
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:06:00 -
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Lord Nukington wrote:I'm a relatively new player (20-ish days) and fell into a corporation that A: Had several of my IRL friends in it, and B: was very friendly and supportive of new people.
Anyway, another corporation, one that seems to be mainly made up of PVP players who have been in the game for several years, declared war on us. Well, they declared war on like ten corporations at once, all of them similar newbie type corporations to us. Well, it's not the first time this has happened, so we did our best to avoid them and try to go about our day.
These guys were absolutely merciless though. We had one player, maybe been in the game for a week, get killed (Not just podded, but killed) 5 times in the course of an hour. Pretty sure he quit the game. They camp out where we have our offices, they seem to always be lurking on our most common routes, and they even sometimes appear out of nowhere 20-ish jumps away from those locations and get is when we're in route doing missions. One guy got me about 17 jumps away while I was doing security missions in Amarr space, I look at his profile and he joined the corp that day, and appeared in my backside. I get away with my pod and he sends me the message "GF bra" then proceeds to stalk the system I'm in until I log out for the night.
However, the back-breaking straw is: The EXACT same minute we get the "retracts war" notification, we also get a "Declares War" notification from another corporation. We look, and it lists the same guys that've been beating the tar out of us as the admins of this corp. Looking at their employment history, it seems the entire group of them have been corp surfing between the same four or five names for a long time, and they use this as a way to "extend" wars and continue to torment the same people.
They don't even loot our remains. They pop in, blow us up, then stalk us. Also, sometimes the game shows them as "offline" in the contacts list (added them to get a "warn list" notification when they come online) but they still show up and kill us.
This is griefing. All they want is to kill new players in high sec, and the game is handing it to them. I honestly don't know what recourse we have left other than buy enough Plex to dump billions of ISK into bounties and hope they get the message. War is a part of eve. People who like war are a part of eve. Lean to love war. Thank the people who dec you, they are investing time and isk into you. If you can not protect or give advice to your new players they have no business being in your corp. If your leaderships advice is to not log on during war, leave corp and find a better one.
Always give good snuggles.
I am just here to snuggle. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20452
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:12:00 -
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Don Purple wrote: War is a part of eve. People who like war are a part of eve. Lean to love war. Thank the people who dec you, they are investing time and isk into you. If you can not protect or give advice to your new players they have no business being in your corp. If your leaderships advice is to not log on during war, leave corp and find a better one.
Always give good snuggles.
Purple snuggles best snuggles
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Lord Nukington
Miners League of Exploration Coalition
2
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:47:00 -
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First up, I want to take some time to thank everyone who commented here. Yes, even the people who had nothing but insults to bring. It's been an enlightening experience.
For the folks who straight up offered advice: Thank you. I've clearly (and held no illusions otherwise, but this sure did drive it home more soundly) got a LOT to learn about this game yet, including ship fitting and in-game awareness.
Secondly, for the folks who criticized, no matter how harshly, either my tactics (or lack thereof) or my ship fitting. Again, thanks. It's something I can learn from in-game.
Thirdly, the folks who brought insults or criticisms of my forum posting methods: Yes, even you I have thanks for. If nothing else, you've given me more insight into interacting with the community here.
I wasn't expecting this thread to explode like it did, perhaps hoping to glean a few slivers of advice, but what I've gotten is a wealth of knowledge, as long as I don't have the ego to keep myself from benefiting from it . |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4328
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:55:00 -
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Lord Nukington wrote:First up, I want to take some time to thank everyone who commented here. Yes, even the people who had nothing but insults to bring. It's been an enlightening experience.
For the folks who straight up offered advice: Thank you. I've clearly (and held no illusions otherwise, but this sure did drive it home more soundly) got a LOT to learn about this game yet, including ship fitting and in-game awareness.
Secondly, for the folks who criticized, no matter how harshly, either my tactics (or lack thereof) or my ship fitting. Again, thanks. It's something I can learn from in-game.
Thirdly, the folks who brought insults or criticisms of my forum posting methods: Yes, even you I have thanks for. If nothing else, you've given me more insight into interacting with the community here.
I wasn't expecting this thread to explode like it did, perhaps hoping to glean a few slivers of advice, but what I've gotten is a wealth of knowledge, as long as I don't have the ego to keep myself from benefiting from it . good man =][= |
Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
62
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:01:00 -
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I see many pure pvp orientated alliances and corps wardeccing noobie, industry corps and low population alliances who cannot fight back. But the way that they wardec them is by doing it the day before an expansion is released which is merciless and cold blooded as it can get. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9229
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:06:00 -
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Lord Nukington wrote: I wasn't expecting this thread to explode like it did
Made sense to me, GD has been pretty well dead for a few days.
Just another tip. Displaying a good attitude is one of the most critical things in EVE. If you start using terms like "griefing" and such, especially on the forums, that is blood in the water.
Within an hour of your posting this thread, you were probably watchlisted by half a dozen people.
So, welcome to EVE, hope it works out for you, etc, etc. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-į |
Savnire Jacitu
Abysmal Gentlemen We Didn't Mean It
291
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Posted - 2014.08.27 22:44:00 -
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Lord Nukington wrote:First up, I want to take some time to thank everyone who commented here. Yes, even the people who had nothing but insults to bring. It's been an enlightening experience.
For the folks who straight up offered advice: Thank you. I've clearly (and held no illusions otherwise, but this sure did drive it home more soundly) got a LOT to learn about this game yet, including ship fitting and in-game awareness.
Secondly, for the folks who criticized, no matter how harshly, either my tactics (or lack thereof) or my ship fitting. Again, thanks. It's something I can learn from in-game.
Thirdly, the folks who brought insults or criticisms of my forum posting methods: Yes, even you I have thanks for. If nothing else, you've given me more insight into interacting with the community here.
I wasn't expecting this thread to explode like it did, perhaps hoping to glean a few slivers of advice, but what I've gotten is a wealth of knowledge, as long as I don't have the ego to keep myself from benefiting from it .
This is respectable. <corrupt> |
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
6
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:13:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Quote:We get the occasional griefer dec, and occasionally self inflicted as we tend to grief the griefers or gankers a lot. Our first task is recon, who are they, how serious, past war history, how many, known associates, and if they are after POCOs or POS. Then we proceed to enter "War Mode", towers get extra ships/materials sent back to station, full guns onlined, PVP ships prepped and empty clones activated (or at least not shiny clones). Ride out the war, track your targets as they track you, Locator Agents and alts as scouts. You don't need to take your loots to Jita this week, it can wait til next week (Though that hasn't stopped us from hauling billions in the freighter when the coast was confirmed 200% safe). One thing I can never stress enough, ALWAYS, research your targets.
EveWho is your best friend when doing research for the new pilot. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
94
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:05:00 -
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Pirates little helper is another great tool to research targets EVEALON Creative --įLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -įWeb Design | Website Graphics -į
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4375
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:10:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Pirates little helper is another great tool to research targets iv heard this recommended a couple of times now, must look into it, linky? =][= |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4158
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:17:00 -
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Awww, the OP got changed. You were right though OP, wardecs are pretty much for griefing. Most wardecs are set up against corps that either will not or cannot retaliate. In a few instances this if for killboard padding, but in the majority of cases it's to generate tears from a given target. Of course the aggressors would never admit to this and will personally attack you, threaten you with wars, tell you they will kill it forward if you continue to have opinions of your own and place bounties on your head. None of that changes the simple fact though that war decs are terrible and need to be looked at. They should generate combat, not one sided ganks, but the question is and always has been, how can it be changed to do just that? The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1066
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:30:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:They should generate combat, not one sided ganks, but the question is and always has been, how can it be changed to do just that? Just when one guy gets it, another one steps in to take his place. The ride never ends.
The answer to this question is, the 'victims' need to stop being terrible at EVE. No amount of game mechanics (within reason) will save them from themselves. [witty image] - Stream |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20477
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:32:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Pirates little helper is another great tool to research targets iv heard this recommended a couple of times now, must look into it, linky?
http://eve-plh.com/
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4375
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:43:00 -
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thank you jonah
Crumplecorn wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:They should generate combat, not one sided ganks, but the question is and always has been, how can it be changed to do just that? Just when one guy gets it, another one steps in to take his place. The ride never ends. The answer to this question is, the 'victims' need to stop being terrible at EVE. No amount of game mechanics (within reason) will save them from themselves. ignore him, he's looking for a rise =][= |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1594
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:44:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Awww, the OP got changed. You were right though OP, wardecs are pretty much for griefing. Most wardecs are set up against corps that either will not or cannot retaliate. In a few instances this if for killboard padding, but in the majority of cases it's to generate tears from a given target. Of course the aggressors would never admit to this and will personally attack you, threaten you with wars, tell you they will kill it forward if you continue to have opinions of your own and place bounties on your head. None of that changes the simple fact though that war decs are terrible and need to be looked at. They should generate combat, not one sided ganks, but the question is and always has been, how can it be changed to do just that?
How about you do your part instead of comaplining? When we wardec you last time you just dried and rand in circles. That was the only thing preventing real fights from happening. Do not blame others on your own incompetence. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
128
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:00:00 -
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Do not join a corporation with the word 'mining' or 'haulage' in the corporation name.
Do not join a corporation that advertises itself heavily as 'new player friendly' or that is primarily involved in mining.
If joining a corporation to do haulage or courier contracts it is common practice to not have your haulage pilot as a member of the haulage corporation. You should have an alt as a member in the haulage corporation.
Do not join a corporation that uses the corporation description window to describe what the corporation does in great detail. This is like a red rag to a bull. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
94
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:18:00 -
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But advising you with target research tools is a bit silly as your wardecced so the tagets will come to you and as a new player you dont have the skills or knowledge to compete with them, move to null or join faction warfare, learn to pvp and let the useless wardeccers play their little game as they wont go to nullsec
Stay away from trade hubs find a nice little system about 8-10. Jumps from any hub and your less likely to find war targets EVEALON Creative --įLogo Design | Killboard Banners | -įWeb Design | Website Graphics -į
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1594
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:26:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:But advising you with target research tools is a bit silly as your wardecced so the tagets will come to you and as a new player you dont have the skills or knowledge to compete with them, move to null or join faction warfare, learn to pvp and let the useless wardeccers play their little game as they wont go to nullsec
Stay away from trade hubs find a nice little system about 8-10. Jumps from any hub and your less likely to find war targets
That only protect you against a single high sec war dec group. The others will go and find you. HIding in solitude might keep you safe from ll high sec groups but 2.
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Kev Ftw
The Filthy Few Break-A-Wish Foundation
29
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:26:00 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Stay away from trade hubs find a nice little system about 8-10. Jumps from any hub and your less likely to find war targets
Wrong.
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