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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:10:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor. If the game is so saturated with isk why mine? certainly not to make isk... You fail at logic. People mine afk to make ISK while doing other things. People either do not want to play to make ISK, or do not want to put effort into it to make ISK, or they lack time to actively play to make ISK. Is it really that hard? -.-
This thread is about the lack of defences available to high sec pilots. CCP Falcon has responded saying use the defences available. Syn Shi attempts to derail the thread (probably unintentionally) by repeating an oft heard argument that ganking is easy because of unlimited isk in game. I mock him. You attempt to defend AFK isk making in a thread about about the defences available to high sec miners and haulers. You claim I fail at logic. Context is useful.
If anyone wants to play Eve Online AFK that is their prerogative,with the views put forward in this very thread by CCP Falcon, I think there will be little on offer to help bolster their defences. As far as I am concerned - if you do anything AFK in Eve Online you are solely responsible for what happens to your hull, it's fittings and your pod. |
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
98
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:35:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Miners are literally space bums.
Clearly you haven't seen the movie There Will Be Blood. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:35:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that it's entirely viable since there's nothing that requires you to mine the same rock for 45 minutes. Belts are large enough to let you keep going and never run out of range to the rocks. And that's before we even go into the various tricks that lowers your align speedGǪ
Except that to insta warp you need to be aligned and up to 3/4 speed. You'll be out of range of the rocks in 5 minutes tops.
WRT the underlined, it's blatantly clear you've never mined in hi-sec.
Quote:GǪwhich doesn't stop you from mining. If they camp a belt, it means that you are now completely free to mine your head off since the gankers are occupied doing nothing.
Oh wow, I was going to reply to each one until this statement. The sheer level of stupidity that your statement has is incomprehensible.
So I'll move on to other posters.
Let's see, there is the "it would be lost on you" comment. That simply translates into "I haven't a clue myself so I can't explain it to you".
The point is you don't know a gank is coming until they are landing on grid and by then it's too late. Miners are already doing the best option available. Tanked out skiffs. It has even resulted in a few "nerf skiffs" whine threads. If using D-scan kept miners from being ganked, then there wouldn't be a need to run skiff fleets. They would simply use hulk fleets and rely on D-scan.
You can say D-scan all you want but until you can explain it's use and how it prevents you from being ganked while mining in hi-sec, D-scan is evidently useless (I say "evidently" due to the fact that if it was as useful as claimed, see comment above about the lack of hulk fleets using D-scan). |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:36:00 -
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Zero Sum Gain wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Miners are literally space bums. Clearly you haven't seen the movie There Will Be Blood.
How about hobo with a shotgun
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:48:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Syn Shi wrote:There is no risk to gank in hi-sec. The ships they use are so cheap and easy to replace the whole risk thing has been circumvented.
Ship blows up, so what...just buy another.
Everyone knows your name, no probelm just buy another character.
The game is so saturated with isk that isk has removed the risk factor. If the game is so saturated with isk why mine? certainly not to make isk... You fail at logic. People mine afk to make ISK while doing other things. People either do not want to play to make ISK, or do not want to put effort into it to make ISK, or they lack time to actively play to make ISK. Is it really that hard? -.- This thread is about the lack of defences available to high sec pilots. CCP Falcon has responded saying use the defences available. Syn Shi attempts to derail the thread (probably unintentionally) by repeating an oft heard argument that ganking is easy because of unlimited isk in game. I mock him. You attempt to defend AFK isk making in a thread about about the defences available to high sec miners and haulers. You claim I fail at logic. Context is useful. If anyone wants to play Eve Online AFK that is their prerogative,with the views put forward in this very thread by CCP Falcon, I think there will be little on offer to help bolster their defences. As far as I am concerned - if you do anything AFK in Eve Online you are solely responsible for what happens to your hull, it's fittings and your pod.
Never once mentioned afk mining...but if it makes you feel better feel free to make stuff up I said.
My post was nothing more than stating a fact. Its easy and cheap to gank there. So what if Concord shows up. Just buy another ship.
Oh ya, just hire somebody to protect you......derp. If that was a viable option it would be happening...guess what...it doesn't.
Just replace the ship. Ships are easy to come by.
Want to add risk back in, reduce the access to ships. Then someone may think twice about doing something if they will have a hard time replacing it. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24177
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:05:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Except that to insta warp you need to be aligned and up to 3/4 speed. You'll be out of range of the rocks in 5 minutes tops. Have you triedGǪ you knowGǪ attaching mining lasers of some kind rather than just lean out of the window and use a hammer and chisel? Those lasers will give you a 30km zone of activity around any rock. The belt as a whole has a an operative range of ~150km. Even if you do nothing to lower your max speed, that's 30 minutes of uninterrupted mining right there, and then we come to the fact that you can trivially have a setup where you travel at ~33m/s and still be aligned. Having mined in highsec, I know this works because I have actually tried it rather than dismissed it out of hand due to a desperate ignorance of game mechanics.
WRT the underlined, it's blatantly clear that you don't understand how warping works. It's entirely redundant; the one directly implies the other.
Quote:Oh wow, I was going to reply to each one until this statement. The sheer level of stupidity that your statement has is incomprehensible. You don't understand that if the miners are camping a belt, they are in that belt? Are you sure you want to go with that sheer level of stupidity? Congratulations. You have just earned a life-time disqualification from discussing anything EVE related because you are so utterly and completely unfamiliar with the game that you don't even understand that you cannot be in two places at once! GTFO.
Quote:The point is you don't know a gank is coming until they are landing on grid and by then it's too late. No, the point is that if you don't look, you don't know a gank is coming. You can look, you knowGǪ dscan helps you with the GÇ£lookingGÇ¥ part of the equation, and it lets you see things long before they arrive on grid GÇö it's kind of the whole point of dscan. Again, your ignorance of all things EVE is tripping you up here.
Quote:Miners are already doing the best option available. Apparently not, since they keep thinking that they need more tools at their disposal without even making use of the ones they already have. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:05:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:
Never once mentioned afk mining...but if it makes you feel better feel free to make stuff up I said.
My post was nothing more than stating a fact. Its easy and cheap to gank there. So what if Concord shows up. Just buy another ship.
Oh ya, just hire somebody to protect you......derp. If that was a viable option it would be happening...guess what...it doesn't.
Just replace the ship. Ships are easy to come by.
Want to add risk back in, reduce the access to ships. Then someone may think twice about doing something if they will have a hard time replacing it.
Seriously though. Don't you just love how these people throw in all kinds of suggestions for miners to "avoid ganking" and then say that miners are stupid for not following their advice.
It never once clued in to them that miners have tried their advice and guess what? It didn't work.
Miners are already doing the best option available to them. Fleets of tanked out skiffs. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20509
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:07:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Tippia wrote:GǪexcept that it's entirely viable since there's nothing that requires you to mine the same rock for 45 minutes. Belts are large enough to let you keep going and never run out of range to the rocks. And that's before we even go into the various tricks that lowers your align speedGǪ Except that to insta warp you need to be aligned and up to 3/4 speed. You'll be out of range of the rocks in 5 minutes tops. WRT the underlined, it's blatantly clear you've never mined in hi-sec. Quote:Tippia wrote:GǪwhich doesn't stop you from mining. If they camp a belt, it means that you are now completely free to mine your head off since the gankers are occupied doing nothing. Oh wow, I was going to reply to each one until this statement. The sheer level of stupidity that your statement has is incomprehensible. Your ignorance is astounding, it's pretty easy to mine and be aligned, and moving at a speed that'll get you into warp quickly. It's called aligning to bookmarks and celestials, and switching between them when you're getting close to being out of range of whatever you're mining. If you have friends in the belt with you, use webs to reduce the speed required to get into warp. RubyPorto even provided a Mackinaw fit that does exactly that for others.
If gankers camp a belt, which they don't, you mine elsewhere... Simples. The only person showing incomprehensible stupidity is you.
Quote:The point is you don't know a gank is coming until they are landing on grid and by then it's too late. Miners are already doing the best option available. Tanked out skiffs. It has even resulted in a few "nerf skiffs" whine threads. If using D-scan kept miners from being ganked, then there wouldn't be a need to run skiff fleets. They would simply use hulk fleets and rely on D-scan.
You can say D-scan all you want but until you can explain it's use and how it prevents you from being ganked while mining in hi-sec, D-scan is evidently useless (I say "evidently" due to the fact that if it was as useful as claimed, see comment above about the lack of hulk fleets using D-scan). Several posters, many of whom know a great deal more about game mechanics, and ganking, than yourself have explained, in detail, how you can use DScan and other tools such as local and standings to mitigate the risk of being ganked.
With reference to hulks, to be blunt they're shite without Orca Support, they're also expensive and look great on killboards. The current increase in the use of Skiffs is because people can't be arsed to use and act upon the information that is available to them, The current thinking appears to be "a Skiff is hard to kill, why bother with DScan"
Edit ~ With reference to the above post. I mine, it's a necessary evil sometimes, I've never been ganked while doing so. The reason I've never been ganked is because I do use DScan, I do use the standings mechanics, I do watch local, I do know who the gankers are, and I'm usually disappearing into the distance, or already gone when the gankers show up at my location.
TL;DR I actually make an effort to avoid being ganked.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Except that to insta warp you need to be aligned and up to 3/4 speed. You'll be out of range of the rocks in 5 minutes tops. Have you triedGǪ you knowGǪ attaching mining lasers of some kind rather than just lean out of the window and use a hammer and chisel? Those lasers will give you a 30km zone of activity around any rock. The belt as a whole has a an operative range of ~150km. Even if you do nothing to lower your max speed, that's 30 minutes of uninterrupted mining right there, and then we come to the fact that you can trivially have a setup where you travel at ~33m/s and still be aligned. Having mined in highsec, I know this works because I have actually tried it rather than dismissed it out of hand due to a desperate ignorance of game mechanics. WRT the underlined, it's blatantly clear that you don't understand how warping works. It's entirely redundant; the one directly implies the other.
What you propose would require too many things and it still wouldn't be as effective as what miners do now. Tanked skiffs.
1. Your alignment would have to take you across the belt. Doable with a safe spot because you won't always have something to warp to that will take you across the belt.
2. You will have to be constantly switching from rock to rock. You compare strip miner range to the belt as a whole when you should be comparing it to individual rocks.
3. Because you will not be in range to mine each rock before they get out of range, you'll have to turn round. You'd be lucky to do this in 2 runs meaning you would need two bookmarks (one for each direction) which isn't hard but a competent ganker will warp in as you turn around meaning you won't be aligned to either bookmark.
Also, why isn't it that you see mining fleets doing this? Because it doesn't work. If it worked, then you would see hulk fleets doing this instead of skiff fleets not doing this. So go ahead and tell me all about how you've done this marvelous "defense" with great success.
Quote:You don't understand that if the miners are camping a belt, they are in that belt? Are you sure you want to go with that sheer level of stupidity? Congratulations. You have just earned a life-time disqualification from discussing anything EVE related because you are so utterly and completely unfamiliar with the game that you don't even understand that you cannot be in two places at once! GTFO.
See comment below.
Quote:No, the point is that if you don't look, you don't know a gank is coming. You can look, you knowGǪ dscan helps you with the GÇ£lookingGÇ¥ part of the equation, and it lets you see things long before they arrive on grid GÇö it's kind of the whole point of dscan. Again, your ignorance of all things EVE is tripping you up here.
Look at what? All the neutrals within 14 au in hi-sec? I've yet to see anyone explain the use of d-scan as a way of catching gankers before they land on grid. Someone ganks you so you mark them red. Great, you know when a ganker is in system. They'll also show up on overview but by then it's too late. D-scan only tells you ship name (which can be anything and can be changed) and ship class (which doesn't equate to ganker). So how do you identify a ganker on D-scan?
Quote:Apparently not, since they keep thinking that they need more tools at their disposal without even making use of the ones they already have.
It's called they are doing the best option available but even the best option doesn't stop ganking completely and that's what they are looking for. I was able to grasp that simple concept and yet you couldn't. Clearly the ignorant one is you. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:31:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Several posters, many of whom know a great deal more about game mechanics, and ganking, than yourself have explained, in detail, how you can use DScan
Sorry but, use D-scanner and watch for gankers isn't an explanation at all. How do you recognize a ganker on d-scan in hi-sec?
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:31:00 -
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Quote:
Syn Shi attempts to derail the thread (probably unintentionally) by repeating an oft heard argument that ganking is easy because of unlimited isk in game. I mock him.
Syn Shi wrote:
Never once mentioned afk mining...but if it makes you feel better feel free to make stuff up I said.
Reading comprehension. I never said you said anything about AFK mining....
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24179
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:39:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:What you propose would require too many things No, it really doesn't. It just requires you to be at your keyboard and to use your head a little.
Quote:Also, why isn't it that you see mining fleets doing this? Because it's not actually necessary. Ganking is laughably rare and on the off chance that it would happen, you can just write it off as a business expense and go about your business.
Quote:Look at what? All the neutrals within 14 au in hi-sec? Like I said: you are not qualified to discuss EVE because you are unfamiliar with how the game actually works. You are talking about things in away that makes it blatantly obvious that you are spouting hearsay and second-hand accounts about how they (maybe, occasionally) work GÇö you haven't actually used them yourself.
You look at the list of ship and compare with what right around you. This has been explained to you but again, your unfamiliarity with the game means you are not actually able to process what's being said. Instead, you just kept going and are now of the incorrect belief that no-one has explained how to use the cornucopia of tools the game affords you.
Quote:It's called they are doing the best option available but even the best option doesn't stop ganking completely. Then it is very clearly not the best option available, since using the best option pretty much guarantees safety from ganking. vOv
But I suppose that what you're really saying here is that they're just a bunch of cry-babies since they are demanding something that GÇ£stops ganking completelyGÇ¥, which is such an idiotic demand that it beggars belief.
Oh, and since you didn't comment on it, I also suppose that you managed to figure out why gankers camping a belt is jackpot for the minersGǪ? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
426
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:39:00 -
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*raises hand* Example: You are mining alone in your belt, happily munching away at hapless asteroids. You have your Dscan set to, oh, I dunno... just short of the distance to the next belt. Anything that is NOT a mining barge appears on it, you assume it means you harm and move. Suspect even another barge... it might be there to provide a warpin for others.
You don't have to nom every rock til 'teh asteroid is defeated'. If you plot a course across the belt and pretarget the juicies as you approach them you can get a few cycles in on each of them as you pass. Also because you're already moving and pointed at where your GTFO point is you can already be in the process of warping away before anything scary finishes landing on grid.
The people who are telling you this works are doing so because it has worked for them in the past to avoid being ganked. It's worked for me. Heck, it's worked for people I was trying to kill... they were paying more attention to Dscan than I was and instead of landing in a mission pocket with a preoccupied shiny battleship I found myself landing alone in a pocket full of pissed off elite frigates and surly looking gurista battleships. |
Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
118
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:42:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:
Look at what? All the neutrals within 14 au in hi-sec? I've yet to see anyone explain the use of d-scan as a way of catching gankers before they land on grid. Someone ganks you so you mark them red. Great, you know when a ganker is in system. They'll also show up on overview but by then it's too late. D-scan only tells you ship name (which can be anything and can be changed) and ship class (which doesn't equate to ganker). So how do you identify a ganker on D-scan?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24179
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:44:00 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:What the hell did I just read? An account of how to use dscan to find something speicif from someone who has never tried to use dscan to find something specific. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2656
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:48:00 -
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Zero Sum Gain wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Miners are literally space bums. Clearly you haven't seen the movie There Will Be Blood.
pretty sure miners are worse than that guy This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133 |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20511
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:48:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote: What you propose would require too many things and it still wouldn't be as effective as what miners do now. Tanked skiffs.
1. Your alignment would have to take you across the belt. Doable with a safe spot because you won't always have something to warp to that will take you across the belt.
Celestial Objects and bookmarks. Prior planning prevents pshhh poor performance.
Quote:2. You will have to be constantly switching from rock to rock. You compare strip miner range to the belt as a whole when you should be comparing it to individual rocks.
3. Because you will not be in range to mine each rock before they get out of range, you'll have to turn round. You'd be lucky to do this in 2 runs meaning you would need two bookmarks (one for each direction) which isn't hard but a competent ganker will warp in as you turn around meaning you won't be aligned to either bookmark. A Mackinaw travels at approx 100m/s, it takes around 4.5 minutes to cover 30KM, more than enough time to get a full cycle in and either switch to the next rock or appropriate celestial/bookmark.
Quote:Also, why isn't it that you see mining fleets doing this? Because it doesn't work. If it worked, then you would see hulk fleets doing this instead of skiff fleets not doing this. So go ahead and tell me all about how you've done this marvelous "defense" with great success. It does work, but it's not really needed unless you've pissed off the wrong people.
Quote:Look at what? All the neutrals within 14 au in hi-sec? I've yet to see anyone explain the use of d-scan as a way of catching gankers before they land on grid. Someone ganks you so you mark them red. Great, you know when a ganker is in system. They'll also show up on overview but by then it's too late. D-scan only tells you ship name (which can be anything and can be changed) and ship class (which doesn't equate to ganker). So how do you identify a ganker on D-scan? He'll generally be flying a Catalyst, there's usually a few of them and I doubt most gankers bother to change the default ship name of a ship whose lifespan can be measured in seconds, even if they do it'll be probably be something obvious like Tear Collector, or Permit Inspector.
Quote:Sorry but, use D-scanner and watch for gankers isn't an explanation at all. How do you recognize a ganker on d-scan in hi-sec? If you're mining, and there are gankers in local, if there's a Catalyst within 1M KM of you, there's a pretty good chance he's a ganker, if there's more than one Catalyst within 1M KM of you then they're almost certainly gankers.
It's not hard.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1042
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:52:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.
You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally. The typical EvE illogical response.
"You can have big guns like then". Not always. Anyone that has been playing longer than you has the opportunity to have better skills and better equipment than you and can always maintain this advantage until you reach all fives. Great advice telling someone to fight fire with a match when the other guy has a flamethrower.
And there is a fine line between "another guy just having fun" and "intentionally causing misery to others". Bullies enjoy bullying people. But hey let's let them off the hook because they get pleasure from their sadistic tendencies.
It doesn't have to be personal to have a negative effect on someone.
To the OP, you have just been the butt of CCPs cruel joke. Most other games try to separate players by rank or playstyle. CCP wants you to think that they do, but in fact they pretty much throw you to the wolves then laugh at posts like this. This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7895
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:53:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Several posters, many of whom know a great deal more about game mechanics, and ganking, than yourself have explained, in detail, how you can use DScan Sorry but, use D-scanner and watch for gankers isn't an explanation at all. How do you recognize a ganker on d-scan in hi-sec?
This looks like one of those facepalm moments.
But it's typical. High Sec is safe so it doesn't really encourage players to actually learn how to use tools the game gives. In low, null and WH space, your survival tends to revovle around yoru ability to use those tools and be aware, but for most people in high sec you don't even have to have local up.
You're honestly arguing with people about someting without be well versed in the thing being argued lol. Epic. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9296
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:55:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote: It's called they are doing the best option available but even the best option doesn't stop ganking completely and that's what they are looking for.
No, what they are looking for is as little effort as possible.
That's why they won't do the one thing that guarantees them complete safety, paying attention. Because paying attention requires more effort than zero. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
80
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:57:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Several posters, many of whom know a great deal more about game mechanics, and ganking, than yourself have explained, in detail, how you can use DScan Sorry but, use D-scanner and watch for gankers isn't an explanation at all. How do you recognize a ganker on d-scan in hi-sec?
1. Look up zkillboard (or any other board) and look for losses in the shiptype you wish to fly. Identify the most common ship types used in the game to gank the ship type you wish to fly.
2. In game go to overview settings and make an overview that only shows a. The top 10 ship types used to gank the hull you wish to fly. b. The stations c. The gates
3. Lets call this Simple defense #1.
4. TAB to this overview while in belt mining.
5. Open Dscan. Select use active overview for Dscan. Set angle for scan 360 degrees. Set distance at longest possible distance where no stations or gates show on dscan.
6. Hit Dscan. Once every 30-40 seconds and every time the number of pilots in local changes (yes I know that might mean every 5-6 seconds). If any of those ship types show up on dscan its time to align and prepare to warp out.
7. If a ship type shows up on dscan do not warp immediately, wait until they land on grid.
7a. If they land at/close to optimal for the common fit type used by gankers to kill your ship type, spam warp immediately.
7b. If they land close to another pilot get ready to activate your drones.
8. Add pilot to contact list and set corp/alliance -10.
9. Add pilot and all other corp mates in system to your watchlist.
10. If they were successful in ganking another pilot in the same belt, return to belt and mine happily with your concord insta support.
11. If concord insta support disappears while pilot/corp/alliance are in system. Align and repeat steps 7 on.
Once comfortable using Dscan like this you can start to change attributes.
11a. Change dscan distance range to include one station reduce angle to 30 degrees and scan. If you see a number of the specific shiptypes in scan you now know where they are coming from. There is a high chance they have an office in that station.
11b. When local numbers change, alter scan range and angle to pick up only one gate - scan 5 times over 30 seconds. Again if shiptypes show up you now know where they are coming from.
11c. When good at altering ranges and angles you can: scan gate 1. alter scan gate 2. alter scan gate 3 alter scan gate 1 alter.... |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9297
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:59:00 -
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Nexus Day wrote: And there is a fine line between "another guy just having fun" and "intentionally causing misery to others". Bullies enjoy bullying people. But hey let's let them off the hook because they get pleasure from their sadistic tendencies.
There is no line at all, no distinction, because this is acceptable.
PvP'ing in a PvP game is not "bullying", no matter how you want to redefine the terms to favor you. It is not "bullying" if I shoot someone in Battlefield. In fact, if they suck and don't keep cover, it's not "bullying" if I shoot them a bunch of times, because they don't get the point yet.
It is not "bullying" if I take your money when you land on a hotel in Monopoly.
In fact, it's the entire point of the game.
You just seem to want to play the not by it's own actual rules, but by the rules as you think they should be.
That's called being delusional. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:00:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:[quote=Angeal MacNova]
It's not hard.
So what is it Jonah? Is EvE a hard game or is it not hard? You just had to write a novel on how easy things are. Does that seem a tad ironic?
If Monopoly came with an encyclopedia of rules not many people would play it.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:04:00 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Duchess Amarrian wrote:high sec is really a joke. This, essentially.
Being unprepared and putting all your eggs in one basket to make a nice juicy target for a suicide gank is the joke here, not highsec.
There are a multitude of ways to protect yourself from suicide gankers, people just automatically assume they're "safe" in highsec, then get annoyed when they lose a ship because of their own lack of spatial awareness.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:06:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:But it's typical. High Sec is safe so it doesn't really encourage players to actually learn how to use tools the game gives. In low, null and WH space, your survival tends to revovle around yoru ability to use those tools and be aware, but for most people in high sec you don't even have to have local up.
QFT I was living in wormholes within 2 months of starting Eve, paranoia is most definitely a survival trait, I still spam DScan even though I now live in highsec. Having local narrow in width but full screen height and locked to the right of my screen is also a leftover from those days, nullsec statics are fun.
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Sidrat Flush
Deadly Harmony
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:07:00 -
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Perhaps it could be the time to find an active corporation that will actually help you to play and enjoy Eve. Try null sec. Mining in null sec with active players, intel channels and a whole range of different options if you have the will to try something other than mining should be more than willing to take on a player willing to learn, eager to enjoy the game and new faces are always welcome in decent corporations.
If you don't want to PvP that might be okay too, especially in an industry heavy corporation/alliance, however it's not difficult and in many null alliances/coalitions PvP can be affordable or down right profitable.
The point is, play with people and listen to advice given to you by people with the most recent experiences, as this game changes fast. The best players keep up with the changes and actively teach/write down what's changed, why it's changed and how to get the most out of those changes.
Never stand still in Eve, you will get left behind.
Get a microphone/headset - scan the recruitment thread. Look at the ingame recruitment adverts. Get on their comms and try and get a feel for their entire corporation. It's not necessarily what they can do for you, but whether or not you're going to actually enjoy and look forward to logging in when you can, between your real life commitments.
Use the tools available to you, if you don't know what those tools are, ask questions, listen to the answers. Practice those methods - see if they work for you, tweak them so they DO work for you.
Or you're just filling up bingo squares, trolling the forums and congrats you've got 15 pages.
Its time to stand up against the bad empire based CEO telling falsehoods about what new characters can accomplish and pushing them towards an in game experience of drudgery and loneliness keeping them in the shadow of ignorance for at nest their own profit at worse apathy towards all the experiences that Eve has to offer. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:07:00 -
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INB4 whiners nitpick Falcon's latest post instead of trying to understand what he is saying. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:08:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote: All kinds of gospel
Gospel, I say. |
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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:12:00 -
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Tam Althor wrote:Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens?
I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now.
Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that.
Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.
That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas.
EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe.
Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight
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Maduin Shi
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:13:00 -
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Kiandoshia wrote:Duchess Amarrian wrote:High sec is not safe. Fly accordingly. This, essentially.
Fixed. |
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