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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4083
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:43:00 -
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I recently lost a Crane Blockade Runner to a Tornado. I would have congratulated the Tornado pilot had I actually been carrying anything at the time. The loss is entirely my fault, and could have been prevented.
I learned my lesson and immediately bought another Crane, undocking at the very same station (Jita 4-4). I of course used my insta-undock [tip: Jita 4 - Moon 1 is aligned with the 4-4 undock].
Everything that happens to you in EVE is because of something you did, or didn't do. Take responsibility! Don't blame others, game mechanics, or whatever; those are just lame excuses.
Forgive me, but I can't help but post this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=j6mAu1IqibA#t=85
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12858
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:49:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold. I think you mean "Previously fitting-less freighters which get bumped away from gates and sentry guns by previously inconspicuous 100mn MWD plated macharials without ever getting aggression until you get alpha'd" If people don't bother fitting tank, and AFK their cargo, I'm fine with them dying. What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.
If you lose a freighter in high sec you did something wrong. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Nitchiu
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:51:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold. I think you mean "Previously fitting-less freighters which get bumped away from gates and sentry guns by previously inconspicuous 100mn MWD plated macharials without ever getting aggression until you get alpha'd" If people don't bother fitting tank, and AFK their cargo, I'm fine with them dying. What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.
So if I understand correctly you don't like the game mechanics that allows people to have friends? Cause your scenario is not 1vs1 but X vs 1.
I understand that you don't like being blown up without being able to do anything but what I don't understand is why you think that you should be able to do anything against groups of players when you are alone. If you are being bumped get friends or if you are anti-social maybe an alt. "My friends are not close/not online/I don't have any" Well then that's unfortunate, maybe you should avoid hauling alone and contract to Red Frog who seem to be able to avoid the unavoidable game mechanics.
Also people who die when doing 'everything right' are a very very small minority of ganks. 99%+ I'm willing to bet are people who anti-tank, haul AFK, haul cargos too expensive or like the OP accepted obvious bait contracts. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9312
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:53:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.
Well, first of all, you shouldn't be mad at that, because destruction of assets is what literally turns the wheels of the game's economy.
It is the one vital function needed to keep the game running. Eventually, everybody has to do their part, whether they are the ones doing the doing, or the ones being done.
Secondly, you can do everything right, and you will almost never die. I have been running a freighter alt for literally months now, through all of those pipeline systems, often during prime time hours.
And I have yet to even be yellowboxed. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
676
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:00:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.
I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.
At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.
The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.
cheers
Working As Intended.
A quick look at your lossmail reveals a prorator with all but 1 relevant slot dedicated towards cargo capacity, and a single module for mobility (which further reduces your resilience). So far, so good. You say you were doing "deliveries", if that means courier contracts... well...
An examination of where your loss occurs (a dead end highsec system called Ono) is more interesting. By nature, this system is not on any "regular" routes (dead-end and all) and is used for quite a bit of missioning judging by the NPCs killed statistics.
It seems somewhat unlikely therefore that a professional ganker would normally be lurking there; traffic in Ono is less than 5% of what it is on the traderoutes to and from Jita. One might therefore suspect that this was a planned hit. The contract having been set up by an alt of the gankers. A classic, if rather pointless, ploy.
How you managed to get blown up on a station eludes me, were you perchance autopiloting? ;)
nevertheless, you chose to fly around without even a token tank. You chose to (presumably) autopilot to the station, else you'd have warped to 0 and docked.
Welcome to the sandbox, complain less, think more, and you'll be fine. |
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
1114
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:11:00 -
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I've run haulers between several "highly utilized sites" many times, and I've even mined.
But the only fun in doing that is that I risk getting ganked.
If it wasn't for the fact that I actually have to ponder the risk and prepare for a possible loss, it would have been extremely boring.
CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4405
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:46:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Tam Althor wrote:Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens? I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now. Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that. Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on. That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas. EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe. Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight i love you. =][= |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20528
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Posted - 2014.08.29 11:57:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Tam Althor wrote:Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens? I love EVE and the core of what the game stands for. That's why I've been dedicated to it and its community for over 11 years now. Risk vs Reward is a huge part of that. Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on. That's a sentiment that I hear a lot around the office, because we are all invested in what makes New Eden so compelling - The dark, gritty, hard reality beneath the pretty ships and nebulas. EVE is built on the core principle that you are never 100% safe, no matter where you go or what you do. When you interact with another player, you roll the dice on whether they're going to screw you over or not. That's a massive part of the social engineering behind the very basic underpinnings of the EVE Universe. Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight i love you. DMC is extremely miffed at CCP Falcon for this post and for shattering his ill-conceived illusions of what Eve is.
Another reason to <3 CCP Falcon.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
4406
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:11:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:DMC is extremely miffed at CCP Falcon for this post and for shattering his ill-conceived illusions of what Eve is.
Another reason to <3 CCP Falcon. i know its glorious. =][= |
Claud Tiberius
63
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:22:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:OP should transport in a full-on tanked BS. There are probably a few with enough cargo space. If not, I'm sure any shield tanked ship with cargo extenders will do fine. So long as your in high sec, they wont attack you since your tank should survive long for concord to arrive assuming its a small hostile fleet (it usually is). Its also quite easy to avoid them. Jump from station to station, figure out who's following you, how many there are. Bait them into attacking you and if you can, dock to be out of harms way. Let concord free the road :P Please read the thread before posting. Your recommendation would not even work let alone how idiotic of a solution it is to the problem. Unless of course you are trolling, then good job. Please explain. If you are in a BS and get blown up in one shot then you shouldn't be flying it anyway. Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end. |
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6729
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:24:00 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Claud Tiberius wrote:OP should transport in a full-on tanked BS. There are probably a few with enough cargo space. If not, I'm sure any shield tanked ship with cargo extenders will do fine. So long as your in high sec, they wont attack you since your tank should survive long for concord to arrive assuming its a small hostile fleet (it usually is). Its also quite easy to avoid them. Jump from station to station, figure out who's following you, how many there are. Bait them into attacking you and if you can, dock to be out of harms way. Let concord free the road :P Please read the thread before posting. Your recommendation would not even work let alone how idiotic of a solution it is to the problem. Unless of course you are trolling, then good job. Please explain. If you are in a BS and get blown up in one shot then you shouldn't be flying it anyway.
I highly recommend Apoc/Armag hulls for it, especially Blops. You can trick them out with some pretty insane cargo space for a warship that can jump out of trouble. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7909
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:49:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote: What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.
What you are describing here is what makes EVE .....EVE. With the exception of staying docking, NOTHING is 100% safe. That is the game mechanics that gives EVe it's soul, without that, EVE is just another bit of 1s and 0s like all the rest.
Just like real life, you can lock yourself in your house, a meteor or a tornado can still destroy it and kill you. If you go underground, you can still die in a flood or earth quake. Bottom line, you gonna die lol. Might as well yell "Yolo" and leeroy down the street.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7909
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:57:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: Honestly, if that changed, and the game started to soften out and cater to those who want to have their hand held all the way through their gameplay experience, I'd rather not be working on the project regardless of how many subscribers we had, than sell out the core principles that New Eden was built on.
You might not be CEO of CCP yet, but you're the CEO of my heart
Quote:Sorry, but your scaremongering counter argument makes no sense to me and carries no weight
But, but, scaremongering and hatred is literally all people like that have. They can't admit that they are ...mentally incompatible with the game they've chosen to play/invest time in so they have to try SOMETHING to get you guys to change the game to fit them. Worst part is that they are totally unaware of the fact that if they do change the game, THEY will be the ones leaving because it wouldn't be the game they fell in love with any more lol.
This is what the "hand-holding" crowd things of CCP Falcon now.
http://i.imgur.com/2LR4mkW.gif |
Effect One
Vengeful Swan
165
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:08:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:This might be internet spaceships, but it's not rocket science to protect yourself and fly with a little common sense.
Best. Quote. Ever.
cba |
Teinyhr
Venlith Taal
417
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:12:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:there is no absolute security in EVE. You consent to PvP each time you undock. Do not fly what you can't afford to lose and consider every ship you undock to already be dead.
Actually I believe ganking in newbie systems is heavily frowned upon and will result in a ban. But outside of those you are correct. |
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
3141
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:37:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:Local Chat: [WT] -- o_O I have NEVER seen anyone do that (implied [in hisec]) before me -- yeah, you pick up a few things from time to time. Sorry I didn't make myself a target for you (continue conversation about random things)
I have gotten a pm once that said something very similar once. It is fun getting that type of response, like you actually taught someone that there are other ways to do 'stuff' in game. Much better then the tears others enjoy so much. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9198
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:37:00 -
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Jenn ...
... that confuses the **** out of me. I was aiming to be a nicer person ... ... seriously ... ... well I am still failing at it ... ... and now I wonder if it's a good idea in the first place.
THANKS JENN! -.-' http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
905
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:01:00 -
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Andski wrote:Also, according to zKB, ONE FREIGHTER was suicide ganked yesterday, August 28th. Four were suicide ganked on August 27th. Freighter ganks are still exceptionally rare compared to the massive number of freighters that are constantly motoring around in highsec on any given day. More freighters are blown up by wartargets than in suicide ganks.
Those in this thread upset about their freighters being ganked are just bad players with a victim complex.
There, we fixed it for you :)
http://puu.sh/bcMBU/c419690387.jpg |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20536
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:13:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Andski wrote:Also, according to zKB, ONE FREIGHTER was suicide ganked yesterday, August 28th. Four were suicide ganked on August 27th. Freighter ganks are still exceptionally rare compared to the massive number of freighters that are constantly motoring around in highsec on any given day. More freighters are blown up by wartargets than in suicide ganks.
Those in this thread upset about their freighters being ganked are just bad players with a victim complex. There, we fixed it for you :) http://puu.sh/bcMBU/c419690387.jpg Once again CODE. utters the immortal words "Challenge Accepted"
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
12
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:21:00 -
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Angeal MacNova wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:Tippia wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference. Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives. This. You can't Dscan while AFK. Back when I still mined I avoided a couple ganks in my mackinaw due to a healthy dose of paranoia, preparation, and liberal use of the 360 degree dscan. By the time the cats landed on grid all they saw were the receding tail lights of my rocket car. DScan is pointless in Hi-sec. You know, that placer where the majority of ganking occurs. As Tippia already pointed out, without CONCORD it would be called ganking. It's a fallacy WRT that it doesn't help stop a gank. I've already listed the reasons why.
Dscan is pointless. lolwhat?! dscan spam on short range spam and you see anything landing before its there; buying you time to get ur miner out... you saying dscan is pointless in high shows how little you know on how to be safe. |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20538
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:26:00 -
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Luukje wrote:Dscan is pointless. lolwhat?! dscan spam on short range spam and you see anything landing before its there; buying you time to get ur miner out... you saying dscan is pointless in high shows how little you know on how to be safe. Oh god no, please don't start him off again....
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24197
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:26:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:Andski wrote:Also, according to zKB, ONE FREIGHTER was suicide ganked yesterday, August 28th. Four were suicide ganked on August 27th. Freighter ganks are still exceptionally rare compared to the massive number of freighters that are constantly motoring around in highsec on any given day. More freighters are blown up by wartargets than in suicide ganks.
Those in this thread upset about their freighters being ganked are just bad players with a victim complex. There, we fixed it for you :) http://puu.sh/bcMBU/c419690387.jpg Ahhh. Money well spent. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
444
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:27:00 -
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LoL... popcorn time. |
Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
128
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:32:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:LoL... popcorn time.
Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20538
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:35:00 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:LoL... popcorn time. Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point. Got you covered
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Ned Thomas
Angry Rockbiters M1NER CONFL1CT
128
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:43:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:LoL... popcorn time. Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point. Got you covered
I'm on a strict NPH free diet |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20539
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:54:00 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ned Thomas wrote:Omar Alharazaad wrote:LoL... popcorn time. Gonna have to run to the store soon. Popcorn supplies are getting low at this point. Got you covered I'm on a strict NPH free diet I derped, wrong image ... blames 3rd party clipboard utility.
Should have been http://i.imgur.com/0hqn6Nd.png The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works with it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
391
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:21:00 -
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You cannot expect CCP to protect you. Apart from design philosophy, its simply not in their best interest to do so. Destruction creates inflation. Destroying a mineral heavy ship like a freighter especially. Miners are even better. Destroying the cure for inflation (minerals) will increase prices, which will lead to more people buying plex. Cos we all know that more effort is not something everybody likes. People with wallets don't have to.
Also; don't waste your time buying all the stories about AFK ganking. Its just stories. So take some time to consider what it is you want to do and if your current method (a freighter) is really needed. Do all the things you can do to minimize the risk (fittings, webs, route, BM's, a scout etc) and then look at the reward.
In a game where multiple players play the same game, only a portion will play with you. The rest will either ignore you (in this case me for example) or play against you.
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E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
675
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:26:00 -
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RubyPorto wrote:E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.
You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally. This may be somewhat accurate but not really true. Even when you fit for tank or min/max mining or hauling it doesnGÇÖt leave room for guns. Should you even fit guns on your hauler/miner it wonGÇÖt stop the gank. Indy doesnGÇÖt need the ability to fight back with guns, they need the ability to defend or defend better then what they have at the moment. A solo hauler can trivially protect himself against a solo ganker with the tools already available. A hauler needs organized and intelligent help (one character will do in most situations) to protect himself from a large group of gankers. In other words, the hauler has the advantage in solo encounters and needs far fewer players to have the advantage in group encounters. Why do haulers need more help? They donGÇÖt need more help they need more options. A hauler should need 1-3 more people or alts to solo haul. Miners have more options in the form of a skiff. A properly tank fit skiff will normally send would be gankers on to easier targets.
Haulers need the same option to fit tank or cargo. Should they have a survivable tank fit against reasonable gank squad and they chose not to use it then that on them.
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Paranoid Loyd
1642
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:34:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Haulers need the same option to fit tank or cargo. Should they have a survivable tank fit against reasonable gank squad and they chose not to use it then that on them.
Are you really trying to argue it's not like this already?
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
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