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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4158
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:15:00 -
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Luukje wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Well, actually, given enough people ganking freighters isn't hard at all.
But feel free to tell me that I have no clue about this ....... *snickers xD* not saying its hard, hell even JF hunting is 'easy', but it takes more than a few noobs to pull off this stuff. That's why i said its not all that easy; to the point where noobs pull it off on their own. Actually, it takes one person to coordinate it and a bunch of people in standard fit ships who can all be noobs. Burn Jita proves this. If you can approach a target and hit F1 when told, you can gank. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7852
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:16:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:Hicksimus wrote:I think this is all part of a MUCH deeper issue.
Production outpaces destruction by such a wide margin that people can easily undertake such activities. Pretty sure it was Chris Rock that did one on how if bullets were crazy expensive far fewer people would shoot eachother.......the same is the case here.
"I would blow yo ****ing head off if I could afford it!" "Imma get me another job, Imma start saving some money and you a dead man!"
The problem here is not hisec or losec; it's nullsec. Not enough big fleet battles where big ships get blowed up. Eve needs a B-R5RB fight every *week*, not every year. Plenty of ships get blowed up in Eve every day, but not enough of those huge, expensive subcaps and capital ships. Get rid of jump bridges and jump freighters if you want to spice up life in null. All of a sudden that trek to Jita from Fountain or Stain starts looking a bit more perilous.
No one would play that game at all, or 'almost' no one. The reason CCP added jump drives and jump bridges was 'to open up null sec for more people' because in the past people complained about how 'having to do logistics in null is painful'.
People look at past null sec through rose colored glasses, they forget how badly it sucked before these 'modern conveniences' like jump drives and upgradeable systems were invented. It's the same way people in real life idolize the past when the truth is the past sucks, people THINK they'd love living in ancient times, till they died because of a wisdom tooth or an infection caused by a paper cut....
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7852
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:18:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Actually, it takes one person to coordinate it and a bunch of people in standard fit ships who can all be noobs. Burn Jita proves this. If you can approach a target and hit F1 when told, you can gank.
Doing the exact same thing, yo can run incursions too.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
315
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:48:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. CCP Falcon accidentally the whole anti-ganking movement. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1594
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:51:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. CCP Falcon accidentally the whole anti-ganking movement.
not at all. There is a small part of the movment that is reasoanble and do not want gank gone. Just think that the effects of cocnord intervention are too small, sepcially with the cheap gank ships like destroyers. Just that. And analysing that is within a reasonable request level. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Luukje
The Phoenix Rising
11
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:54:00 -
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all i see are tears from high sec carebears who dont know how to protect themselves, you literally do NOT have to lose ur ships to ganks, be it miner or hauler, when you do everything you can to avoid this. miners getting blapped are dumb, coss all you need is a dscan spam to see anythign coming ur way. (and not afk-mine) haulers have plenty of tools too which have nearly all been listed. its the new players or the people who havent learned how to play that get caught by the gankers. if you get ganked; you brought it on urself and you have nothing to rage at but urself. play like theres something hunting you and be that paranoid carebear; coss we are hunting you and will catch you if you dont. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
315
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Posted - 2014.08.28 16:56:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:not at all. There is a small part of the movment that is reasoanble and do not want gank gone. Just think that the effects of cocnord intervention are too small, sepcially with the cheap gank ships like destroyers. Just that. And analysing that is within a reasonable request level.
Fair enough
CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. CCP Falcon accidentally most of the anti-ganking movement.
Better?
Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
I want to create content, not become content. |
Arkus Kane
UNN Heavy Industries
11
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:35:00 -
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When I think of futuristic mining corporations in space, I think of fierce industrial giants that not only rake in obscene money from destroying vast belts of asteroids, but then use that money to purchase and fly powerful, deadly escort ships...or hire others to do that for them.
At least, if/when I ever run an industrial corporation that's going to be my goal: a hefty lump of the profits going towards having a really tough, high tech fleet.
If you've got a TON of money from huge mining ops, that should give you power in terms of the ships you can field too.
But no, for some reason people just want to fly around in Hulks in 1.0 all day without even bothering to think about protecting their mining and hauling tasks...and then whinge about the consequences. |
Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:40:00 -
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Luukje wrote:all i see are tears from high sec carebears who dont know how to protect themselves, you literally do NOT have to lose ur ships to ganks, be it miner or hauler, when you do everything you can to avoid this. miners getting blapped are dumb, coss all you need is a dscan spam to see anythign coming ur way. (and not afk-mine) haulers have plenty of tools too which have nearly all been listed. its the new players or the people who havent learned how to play that get caught by the gankers. if you get ganked; you brought it on urself and you have nothing to rage at but urself. play like theres something hunting you and be that paranoid carebear; coss we are hunting you and will catch you if you dont.
Indeed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrlUMiRL1jU |
Tolkaz Khamsi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
13
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:42:00 -
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Arkus Kane wrote:When I think of futuristic mining corporations in space, I think of fierce industrial giants that not only rake in obscene money from destroying vast belts of asteroids, but then use that money to purchase and fly powerful, deadly escort ships...or hire others to do that for them.
At least, if/when I ever run an industrial corporation that's going to be my goal: a hefty lump of the profits going towards having a really tough, high tech fleet.
If you've got a TON of money from huge mining ops, that should give you power in terms of the ships you can field too.
But no, for some reason people just want to fly around in Hulks in 1.0 all day without even bothering to think about protecting their mining and hauling tasks...and then whinge about the consequences.
Back when I was in a mining corp, the problem was finding pilots who were willing to fly CAP for a mining op. If you think mining is boring, try flying CAP for a bunch of miners. We ended up just contracting with some combat pilots who were willing to be batphoned if we came under fire, but that still meant that help could be as much as five minutes or more away if trouble landed.
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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite CODE.
890
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:42:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
Literally pressing like as hard as I can while throwing money at the screen and celebrating.
FALCON PUNCH
You just accidentally the entire anti-ganking community, sir. What kind of scotch do you prefer, and what address do I mail it to? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5979
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:46:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Sibyyl wrote:[quote=Sentient Blade]You can shoot anyone you want, anytime you want. Your choice to fear the consequences is the cause of your failure, not Mr. Falcon's suggestion. Because sitting in a station for 15 minutes with GCC unable to undock anything capable of defending something else, just because you fired one salvo to protect yourself is amazing gameplay <3
The real issue is Concord. If Concord wasn't there then you wouldn't have this excuse to hide behind. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee & Grammar Gestapo. |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5381
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:46:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:not at all. There is a small part of the movment that is reasoanble and do not want gank gone. Just think that the effects of cocnord intervention are too small, sepcially with the cheap gank ships like destroyers. Just that. And analysing that is within a reasonable request level.
CONCORD intervention means: Ship Loss Sec Status Loss 15 minute time out Killright
Regardless of the success or failure of the attack.
That's a pretty big set of effects. And using smaller ships to minimize the effect of the first just magnifies the effects of the last three.
What more do you want? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Unleashed Pestilence
970
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:16:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Literally pressing like as hard as I can while throwing money at the screen and celebrating. FALCON PUNCH You just accidentally the entire anti-ganking community, sir. What kind of scotch do you prefer, and what address do I mail it to? I was delaying my response until I could come up with a good way of expressing how much I agree with Falcon's post. I give up. At least this post gets close. New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-á |
Tam Althor
Ill Tempered Sea Trout Brothers of Tangra
46
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:31:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens? |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1596
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:33:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:not at all. There is a small part of the movment that is reasoanble and do not want gank gone. Just think that the effects of cocnord intervention are too small, sepcially with the cheap gank ships like destroyers. Just that. And analysing that is within a reasonable request level. Fair enough CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. CCP Falcon accidentally most of the anti-ganking movement. Better?
I feel pleased with your exacerbation of wisdom and moderation...
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Natural CloneKiller
Ukranian Hauling Co.
33
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:01:00 -
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To keep this discussion going for a little bit longer and for the 'FALCON PUNCH' comment making me laugh so much, please accept last weeks instalment:
http://imgur.com/z6s3vu9
This was a picture I took on my phone of SARGE ZONE HAULING SERVICES on his live (4 second delay TWICH stream!!!) He accepted one of our contracts and just so happened to have a live TWITCH stream of the Hauling. We laughed so hard that someone would stream this and listen to Eve Radio + have others watching the stream.
When we started watching his stream he was in a Charon and no the Talos army was not at hand at the time :) but you pick up the story here with him swapping to an Unfitted T1 Hauler! and just dropping our package into its cargo!
When I get some time I will upload the FRAPS of the whole thing. I will let someone else go digging for his stream link as its all there recorded!
My one comment to all of the posts is as follows:
If the haulers dedicated as much time and as much attention to detail as we do then they would be safe. Then we would evolve and adapt. All I ask for from CCP is to continue to give all players gankers or bears the ability to continue to evolve the game we all play. I mean who goes looking for a TWITCH stream for a hauler to see if they can get more intel!!!
Oh and respect the FALCON PUNCH!!!
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1331
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:16:00 -
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DJentropy Ovaert wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. ...FALCON PUNCH... FALCON PUNCH
F Would you like to know more? |
Vlademyr
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:44:00 -
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@duchess amarrian Thanks for letting us know everything is working as intended |
La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2654
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:01:00 -
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where's that guy with the entitlement saga? that would be a good thing for this thread This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Improve the forums, support this idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=345133 |
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1913
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:16:00 -
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Duchess Amarrian wrote:Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.
I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.
At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.
The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.
cheers
Not too long ago, they made it so that CONCORD ECM's the crap out of their targets, the second they arrive on grid. What more do you want? Unarmed ships to be made untargettable? How about you protect yourself and fly smarter? Maybe even with escorts, from now on?
Bounties are not a punishment. We actually like having bounties on us. It's considered a badge of honor amongst pirates, and a nice reward to anyone who kills us in mutual combat. So, rest assured, they ARE enjoying the bounty you put on them.
You're flying a hauler, not a combat ship. CCP isn't going to give you 8 turret slots and enough PG/CPU to fit BShip guns. It makes no sense, and it marginalizes actual combat ships. You think a Holliday Cruise liner or an Exxon oil tanker has 17-inch guns and steel armor plates?
Seriously. Get over yourself. Stab out your ship or fit a tank and learn to fight back. QQ'ing on the forums is just going to get you laughed at AND wardec'd. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
1913
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:18:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back.
This is why we love Falcon. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
E-2C Hawkeye
State War Academy Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:29:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.
You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally. This may be somewhat accurate but not really true. Even when you fit for tank or min/max mining or hauling it doesnGÇÖt leave room for guns. Should you even fit guns on your hauler/miner it wonGÇÖt stop the gank.
Indy doesnGÇÖt need the ability to fight back with guns, they need the ability to defend or defend better then what they have at the moment.
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
674
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:29:00 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.
You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally. This may be somewhat accurate but not really true. Even when you fit for tank or min/max mining or hauling it doesnGÇÖt leave room for guns. Should you even fit guns on your hauler/miner it wonGÇÖt stop the gank.
Indy doesnGÇÖt need the ability to fight back with guns, they need the ability to defend or defend better then what they have at the moment.
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1600
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:30:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.
You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally. This may be somewhat accurate but not really true. Even when you fit for tank or min/max mining or hauling it doesnGÇÖt leave room for guns. Should you even fit guns on your hauler/miner it wonGÇÖt stop the gank. Indy doesnGÇÖt need the ability to fight back with guns, they need the ability to defend or defend better then what they have at the moment.
GUNS will not stop the ganking. Why people even think of guns? Even if you were in a fully armed cruiser. Youwould not kill the gankers before concord arrives.
You need to be SMART, MOVE safely, use scouts. Just that.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!" |
Paranoid Loyd
1629
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:42:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: GUNS will not stop the ganking. Why people even think of guns? Even if you were in a fully armed cruiser. Youwould not kill the gankers before concord arrives.
You need to be SMART, MOVE safely, use scouts. Just that.
We've already gone over this. You don't engage him while he is shooting the hauler, you engage him before he has a chance to engage the hauler.
"PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5381
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:44:00 -
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E-2C Hawkeye wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:You can do something about it yourself. No need to ask CCP for help.
You already have big guns too. Just like the other guy does. You just choose not to train for them, or not to use them. That's not the fault of the other guy who is just having fun. He doesn't mean anything against you personally. This may be somewhat accurate but not really true. Even when you fit for tank or min/max mining or hauling it doesnGÇÖt leave room for guns. Should you even fit guns on your hauler/miner it wonGÇÖt stop the gank. Indy doesnGÇÖt need the ability to fight back with guns, they need the ability to defend or defend better then what they have at the moment.
A solo hauler can trivially protect himself against a solo ganker with the tools already available.
A hauler needs organized and intelligent help (one character will do in most situations) to protect himself from a large group of gankers.
In other words, the hauler has the advantage in solo encounters and needs far fewer players to have the advantage in group encounters.
Why do haulers need more help? "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
72
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:48:00 -
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Hm I thought it would be the ganker thanking CCP for no ultimate carebear protection in highsec |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:05:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Tippia wrote:Angeal MacNova wrote:Being at the keyboard is a fallacy. Doesn't make a difference. Eh, no. What kind of fallacy do you think it is? And being at the keyboard isn't bad advice either, by the way: it helps you not be there when the ganker arrives. This. You can't Dscan while AFK. Back when I still mined I avoided a couple ganks in my mackinaw due to a healthy dose of paranoia, preparation, and liberal use of the 360 degree dscan. By the time the cats landed on grid all they saw were the receding tail lights of my rocket car.
DScan is pointless in Hi-sec. You know, that placer where the majority of ganking occurs. As Tippia already pointed out, without CONCORD it would be called ganking.
It's a fallacy WRT that it doesn't help stop a gank. I've already listed the reasons why. |
Angeal MacNova
LankTech
172
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Posted - 2014.08.28 21:08:00 -
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Tam Althor wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Why should CCP provide protection for your haulage in high sec? CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive. If you want your haulage to be safer, bring the guns. If you don't have any guns, sacrifice some of your profit margin and hire someone who has them to escort you. Welcome to New Eden, you just learned a very valuable lesson in being prepared and covering your back. Remember CCP Falcon, the level of protection that concord provides players is the same level of job protection you have when the high sec players decide to quit. Will you survive the next 20% layoff when it happens?
Just wanted to add this.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224365/CCP_closes_San_Francisco_offices_lays_off_two_key_executives.php#.U_8ZD1IUtGI.twitter |
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