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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.09.05 16:26:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:One word : DerptronUnder 2.5M isk, lethal in force.
Some good stuff there. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Desimus Maximus
DeepSpace Manufacturers Brothers of Tangra
78
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:15:00 -
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Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
223
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:28:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet. If that was even remotely relevant then there would be a pretty significant problem with the mineral supply. Since there is no problem with the mineral supply you must be missing something here. Evidence that some EVE players cry about problems that don't even exist. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9600
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:29:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet.
And you still haven't figured out yet that we're the ones selling the stuff you'd be selling if you hadn't gotten ganked. And/or selling you back a new indy ship.
Turns out, market PvP can include real PvP.
Nevermind that, if you really want to point fingers about ship prices, the real culprit is closer to home. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:37:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet. When a guy who ganks industrial ships is also a guy who sells industrial ships it's called creating a demand for his products.
Otherwise known as aggressive marketing, it happens in the real world too, certain conflict related industries benefit greatly when the governments they have influence with and throw money at go to war. NPC Forum Alt, because reasons. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys Mordus Angels
2086
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Posted - 2014.09.09 23:40:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:One word : DerptronUnder 2.5M isk, lethal in force. This is good advice. I use it's bigger brother, the Taranis (for bubble immunity in null), with almost the exact same fit quite a bit. Works wonders.
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Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
51
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:06:00 -
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Back when I was a noob I trid out some FW. i bought about 20 condors, meta 2 or 3 fit. Total cost 10m. I had no clue about pvp, and knew iwas throwing these ships away just to learn the ropes, even so, once I got a rough idea which ships were good targets I got some pretty equal 1v1 fights, I may actually have won one or two. The 10m I spent, I got back easily enough through the plexes I farmed while waiting for a suitable target to show up.
So... No...
Starting pvp ships are not 10m each. And the cost of pvp is not too much for new players. |
Angeal MacNova
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:07:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet.
This statement has some merit but over looks something important.
The mineral market, is a competitive market. In a competitive market, suppliers are price takers and not price makers. Where you'll see an impact would be where the indy corps produce goods with the minerals instead of selling it straight up.
However
The statement is still too simple to fit. Some indy corps are exempt since it's their alts or even their mains that are also behind the ganking. I remember looking at the CODE alliance members list. One of the corps was an indy corp. Then there are those that use the evasive tactics available to them. Then there is the fact that there are lots of indy corps out there and while the amount of ganking seems to be higher than it's ever been, it's still small compared to the amount of indy going on.
That's not to say that the quoted statement isn't a bad statement. A competitive market is one that has the greatest benefit to the game's player base as a whole.
So I'd rather not see ganking. There is better ship vs ship offered in EvE for those that want it and I'd rather see indy PvP be about who can mine more in less time but it is what it is. |
Paranoid Loyd
1781
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:20:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet.
The amount ganked is barely a glass of water in the vast ocean that is production capacity. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Devin Wallace
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:26:00 -
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There seems to be a negative influence being pushed by some capsuleers that new pilots need to buy T2 and/or the most expensive modules possible to have any chance of winning fights.
The reality is, most fights are won or lost because of mistakes, forgetting to keep range, forgetting to turn something on, or just having a counter productive fit. The meta level of the modules often doesn't even come into the equation, because a suite of other issues has already decided the outcome.
Only the more experienced veteran capsuleers (who have a healthy income) will justify splurging on the shiny fits, because they know they can fly the ship well enough that it will actually give them an advantage. Or, just players with a healthy income, period.
New players should fly as cheaply and as often as possible until they start noticing the little details, analyzing their screenshots and combat logs, and formulating tactics. If they start making that conscious effort to improve their skills, they will become good pilots, and they'll enjoy EVE.
Why does it matter? Because if you don't enjoy doing something, are you going to continue doing it? Probably not.
Is that good for EVE ? no.
Please stop telling new pilots to burn themselves out by going broke every time they lose a ship.
I hope I don't meet the worm that creates the holes, -ámust be immortal. |
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Raiz Nhell
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded
382
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:30:00 -
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Desimus Maximus wrote:Thank your local Indy gankers for higher prices. Really, ganking Indy players is like owning a diamond mine but you keep killing the miners who produce the diamonds for you. Evidence that Eve players are the most sadistic and self defeating people on the planet.
Without any figures, stats or even a shiny graph, I reckon that the effect ganking indys hauling T1 hulls and modules has on the price of what has been destroyed is close to bugger all...
The price of the ganking ship will elevate, the meta IV guns will rise locally... but the T1 frigates or minerals in the destroyed indy will not even twitch.
If I build 50 frigates to sell, and 10 get ganked in a indy, I wont raise my price, cause the remaining 40 will not sell, I have to price according to the market (which includes people who weren't ganked)
Now if I purchase and fit 50 frigates and PVP the life out of every hull, I will drive up prices locally as I evolve my fit, and not really care how much I'm paying for a module cause the red mist is in my eyes and I need to feed the beast.
There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Raiz Nhell
Veni Vidi Vici Reloaded
382
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:37:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:
Please stop telling new pilots to burn themselves out by going broke every time they lose a ship.
I regularly roam in pirate cruiser or a HAC, with my FC and others in Machs, faction fit, and we have a lot of fun, stuff explodes (usually me) Never will my FC say you can't bring that ship because its not "good" enough. My GF joined corp and came along in a T1 fit Thorax... no one cared... she had a ball even though stuff was dieing before she could even lock it :)
I would never tell another pilot he needs a "better" ship or he can't come on a roam... that s*&t is best left to the Incursion community. There is no such thing as a fair fight...
If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage. |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
262
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Posted - 2014.09.10 00:46:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:Now 10m is a lot, -don't laugh- for new players and I suspect for a lot of people it is a lot.
I've been playing for 5+ years and I'm not laughing. I remember exactly how rough it was in the beginning. 10 million was a fortune when I first started. I remember freaking out when I made my first 100,000.
Having said that, many - the operative word in this sentence being many - corps offer a SRP (ship replacement program). Granted, it may take time to locate a viable corp in null or low that would take in a noob and treat him/her like a human being, but I'm betting they're out there.
In high sec, many corps will do this, including the one I belong to - RvB (Red vs. Blue). There are many varied ways of making ISK on the side with corp members, and our corp is no exception.
Frigates are not only considered starter ships, but extremely valuable in small and large fleet combat roles. They are simple indispensable. Even after having flown several different ships in the game, I find myself coming back to frigates because they're so darn fun to fly. Fast and nimble and deadly up close.
I don't know about anyone else, but I miss my first few weeks in Eve as a noob.
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Barton Breau
University of Caille Gallente Federation
71
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Posted - 2014.09.11 09:59:00 -
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Devin Wallace wrote:There seems to be a negative influence being pushed by some capsuleers that new pilots need to buy T2 and/or the most expensive modules possible to have any chance of winning fights.
As with everything, your experience may vary, if you go to low at off hours, with 0-3 people in local and the only fight you can hope for is meeting a bored pvper looking for easy prey in an astero, tristan, navy frig or t2, you are easy to come to the conlusion, that you either need very high skills or a expensive ship.
(And to add insult to the injury, you may be contacted after kill. Why would i want to hear about pvp from someone going around in a 80m ship with t2 drones killing noobs in atrons? :) ) |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar borealis
253
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Posted - 2014.09.11 11:49:00 -
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T1 frigs or even destroyers with meta 2 fits.. believe it or not .. they can and they do hurt :) |
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