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Tolkaz Khamsi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:40:00 -
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Crumplecorn wrote:Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:And the bittervets always complain about every step because they had to do it the hard way and it builds character or something. I've literally never seen this.
Are you kidding? It happens every time they buff a non-combat ship. You should have heard the howling when the mining-barge changes were announced. The tooth-grinding from epeener's could be heard from miles off. Or when the Venture was introduced, the attitude was, "Hey, *I* had to mine in a crappy frigate; why are you ruining the game just for these noobs?" You don't have to take my word for it; just go back to the forums.
It happens with every expansion. It happened particularly so in the Retribution expansion, when the security changes got hated on extra-hard by the bittervet contingent. Again, check the forums if you think I'm exaggerating. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6709
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:42:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote: It happens every time they buff a non-combat ship.
No, it doesnt.
You tell your marks that so often though, Im not suprised you believe it yourself. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7879
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:53:00 -
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Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:Crumplecorn wrote:Tolkaz Khamsi wrote:And the bittervets always complain about every step because they had to do it the hard way and it builds character or something. I've literally never seen this. Are you kidding? It happens every time they buff a non-combat ship. You should have heard the howling when the mining-barge changes were announced. The tooth-grinding from epeener's could be heard from miles off. Or when the Venture was introduced, the attitude was, "Hey, *I* had to mine in a crappy frigate; why are you ruining the game just for these noobs?" You don't have to take my word for it; just go back to the forums. It happens with every expansion. It happened particularly so in the Retribution expansion, when the security changes got hated on extra-hard by the bittervet contingent. Again, check the forums if you think I'm exaggerating.
You misunderstand what veterans are saying. It's not "I had to do this so you should too".
It's "I learned valuable lessons form having to do this, this is why you should too, if they just hand it to you you won't appreciate it". I see you didn't read the link I posted. Teaching people what to do limits what they CAN do where as learning it for themselves tends to lead to them not only learning more, but also creating more.
That's why sooooo many real life movers and shakers are people who didn't finish high school/college or even have a formal education in the field from which they got rich while at the same time a bunch of broke people have advanced degrees.
The the noobs sink or swim and those that swim will enrich the game. Trying to foolishly help them along with game mechanics because you feel sorry for them will not only not work, it will hasten their departure because they will more than likely get stuck into the niche they were trained into. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
124
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:11:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:
I just warped right on top of the same guy with a two month old character ratting in a destroyer in a .4 system for the third day in a row. Today I blew him up, sent him the isk to buy a new ship, emailed and chatted in local that he shouldn't do what he does, and still feel bad about it. He sent me a thank you note in Russian. He then brought out an Oracle and I couldn't shoot him because it would be like clubbing a baby seal.
What exactly made you feel bad about shooting someone who consented to be shot at (by DLing EVE Online, by unlocking in EVE online and by going to low sec, a trifecta of "please shoot me") in a video game. I don't imagine you play sports then, as every time you score you'd end up in tears and popping a Xanax.
Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20505
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Posted - 2014.08.28 23:24:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting. Except the five year old on the sidelines isn't playing football* or baseball, and tackling spectators is against the rules; whereas a player who has logged in and undocked is playing the game, and killing him isn't against the rules.
The sooner a newbie is aware that they can get blown up at any time when in space the better, both in terms of the cost of getting blown up in a Destroyer vs something much pricier and them learning about the nature of the game they're playing.
*American Football I presume, not the game played by the rest of the world?
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9296
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Posted - 2014.08.29 00:20:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote: Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting.
No, the two are nothing alike. Football has defined, clear rules as to who is, or is not, a player.
There are no innocent spectators in EVE Online. If you're logged in, you're on the field and fair game. It's your own fault if you decided not to wear pads. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20512
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:42:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It's your own fault if you decided not to wear pads. This applies to the kind of football with a round ball too, especially if Suarez is playing....
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9300
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:46:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It's your own fault if you decided not to wear pads. This applies to the kind of football with a round ball too, especially if Suarez is playing....
If I knew anything more about soccer than what the ball looks like, I would probably laugh.
I am guessing...
#nutshots? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20513
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:48:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: It's your own fault if you decided not to wear pads. This applies to the kind of football with a round ball too, especially if Suarez is playing.... If I knew anything more about soccer than what the ball looks like, I would probably laugh. I am guessing... #nutshots? He has a nasty habit of nomming on other players.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
124
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:16:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting. Except the five year old on the sidelines isn't playing football* or baseball, and tackling spectators is against the rules; whereas a player who has logged in and undocked is playing the game, and killing him isn't against the rules. The sooner a newbie is aware that they can get blown up at any time when in space the better, both in terms of the cost of getting blown up in a Destroyer vs something much pricier and them learning about the nature of the game they're playing. *American Football I presume? Not the game played by the rest of the world.
Yep American (do they tackle in soccer?). Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I doubt there is a rule against tackling spectators in American Football, it is just implied! |
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TheButcherPete
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
484
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:26:00 -
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dude, ghettothrashers are literally 2m and can kick some major ass. THE KING OF EVE RADIO
If EVE is real, does that mean all of us are RMTrs? |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9301
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:27:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote: Yep American (do they tackle in soccer?). Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I doubt there is a rule against tackling spectators in American Football, it is just implied!
Except, in video games, any action not expressly forbidden by the games rules is by definition a legal action. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7905
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:55:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:
Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting.
The five year old isn't in the game. The running back trying to get past you is. There is no spectator mode in EVE, everyone you can see in space or in local chat is a PLAYER.
Whether you choose to shoot or not is immaterial, has nothing to do with me. It's just the idea of shooting someone who is playing a video game that has guns in it and feeling bad about it is crazy to me. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7905
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:03:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting. Except the five year old on the sidelines isn't playing football* or baseball, and tackling spectators is against the rules; whereas a player who has logged in and undocked is playing the game, and killing him isn't against the rules. The sooner a newbie is aware that they can get blown up at any time when in space the better, both in terms of the cost of getting blown up in a Destroyer vs something much pricier and them learning about the nature of the game they're playing. *American Football I presume? Not the game played by the rest of the world. Yep American (do they tackle in soccer?). Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I doubt there is a rule against tackling spectators in American Football, it is just implied!
What does right or wrong have to do with a video game? As long as it's within the rules there is no right or wrong.
As long as I've been playing online games (starting with mechwarrior 3) i've encountered such 'bleeding heart' e-honor players and I will never, EVER understand the mentality or how they like to look down on others who are just playing within the rules. Who would you choose to play a shooting game if you're gonna feel bad about shooting people.
What you do makes as much sense as being a member of PETA while also choosing to play Deer Hunter. |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
124
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:43:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting. Except the five year old on the sidelines isn't playing football* or baseball, and tackling spectators is against the rules; whereas a player who has logged in and undocked is playing the game, and killing him isn't against the rules. The sooner a newbie is aware that they can get blown up at any time when in space the better, both in terms of the cost of getting blown up in a Destroyer vs something much pricier and them learning about the nature of the game they're playing. *American Football I presume? Not the game played by the rest of the world. Yep American (do they tackle in soccer?). Just because something is legal doesn't make it right. I doubt there is a rule against tackling spectators in American Football, it is just implied! What does right or wrong have to do with a video game? As long as it's within the rules there is no right or wrong. As long as I've been playing online games (starting with mechwarrior 3) i've encountered such 'bleeding heart' e-honor players and I will never, EVER understand the mentality or how they like to look down on others who are just playing within the rules. Who would you choose to play a shooting game if you're gonna feel bad about shooting people. What you do makes as much sense as being a member of PETA while also choosing to play Deer Hunter.
Why do you think I am looking down on you? Don't be so sensitive. I feel bad about shooting people with no chance of winning. I have no problems shooting people who have a fighting chance. Thanks again for reading my mind lol. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9302
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Posted - 2014.08.29 05:49:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote: Why do you think I am looking down on you?
If I were to take a guess, I'd say it was your post history.
Quote: Don't be so sensitive.
Now that is rich.
Quote: I feel bad about shooting people with no chance of winning. I have no problems shooting people who have a fighting chance. Thanks again for reading my mind lol.
Whether someone has a fighting chance or not is up to them. My ability to shoot at them, fortunately, does not hinge on whether or not they chose correctly. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
427
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Posted - 2014.08.29 06:40:00 -
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That two month old character in a destroyer is not a five year old with an ice cream cone... he's more like a twelve year old with an AK-47. He's armed, he's dangerous, and if he's not on your side he's just as likely to shoot you as you are him.
I've had characters much much younger than me blap my frigate out of the sky, it happens. |
William Rokov
Tyradir
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 07:08:00 -
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Hm, i thought pvp in eve is too cheap, lol. U can fit frig or destroyer in meta for 2-3 millions and get pretty nice fights with that. U can fit with t2 frig for like 10 millions, destroyer for like 15 millions or t1 cruiser for like 30 millions and get a lot of fights with that. Its really low amount of money, when most of players getting like 40+ millions in a hour of pve. And u are not instalosing pvp ship after undocking, u can fly at it for a pretty long time, maybe several hours. If u got some problem with money - u can go in faction wars, there are a lot of money for just getting offensive plexes.
So, im totally disagree with thread starter, you can always find affordable pvp for your own resourses, it can be everything, starting from 2kk for frigate/destroyer in meta and ending with 3+*** pirate battleship. That pvp is pretty hard and insteresting, u always can kick some ass even if he spent a lot more money for that pvp than u. -ò-ü-+-+ -¦-ï -+-+-é-¦-Ç-¦-ü-â-¦-é-¦-ü-î -ü-+-+-+ -+-¦-+ -¦ -+-¦ - -+-+-¦-¦-+-Ä-ç-¦-¦-é-¦-ü-î -+-¦ -¦-¦-+-¦-+ PVP.solo, -é-¦-+ -+-+-¦-+-+ -+-¦-ü-â-¦-+-é-î -ä-+-é-ï, -+-+-¦-¦-+-+-é-î-ü-Å -â-ü-+-¦-à-¦-+-+, -Ç-¦-ü-ü-¦-¦-+-¦-é-î -+-+-+ -+-+-ü-+-â-ê-¦-é-î -+-Ç-+-à-+-¦-¦-+-ï-¦ -+-ü-é-+-Ç-+-+. -Æ-+-+-¦-¦-¦-é-¦-ü-î! |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7909
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:23:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:
Why do you think I am looking down on you? Don't be so sensitive.
Who said anything about me? I said "others" as in "in general". Funny how you say "don't be so sensitive" given the very next sentence you write:
Quote: I feel bad about shooting people with no chance of winning. I have no problems shooting people who have a fighting chance. Thanks again for reading my mind lol.
This is why the term "bleeding heart" applies. Statistically speaking, the guy in the space ship is probably a late 20s/early 30s male who made the adult decision to download and install a harsh spaceship MMO. If he needs your sympathy, then he has WAY more problems than the loss of an imaginary space-destroyer......
To each his own, I just think it's silly to feel bad about playing a video game within that game's rules.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7909
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Whether someone has a fighting chance or not is up to them.
I just wanted to highlight this because this is illustrates a key point in the philosophical divide that is always apparent on these forums. It's more than "good" vs "evil" or the haves vs the have nots or the creative vs the lazy.
It's "who is responsible here".
The people I tend to agree with here (who are also the people who fit well into the game AND gain more enjoyment from the game) are people who have a deep sense of personal responsibility regarding the game play experience. They know it's on them to make things right for the most part. That's why you don't see them screeching at CCP over every imagined slight.
Then there are those 'other people', the ones who think that the world (including CCP) owes them something (above 15 bux worth of game world access), the ones who feel like CCP should somehow protect them from other people despite the fact that it was CCP who built this intentionally free universe to begin with. They are ALWAYS UNHAPPY about something, don't enjoy the game as much because "it's not as good as it could be" and have this tendency to call people (who actually enjoy the game product they decided to pay for) 'fanbois' because they aren't raging insanely at CCP like they are.
The funny thing is that 2nd group considers themselves 'the good guys' lol. |
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
435
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:37:00 -
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The road to something paved with something. I forget.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
395
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:50:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote: Yeah I played football and baseball in High School but I never tackled a five year old on the sidelines who was eating an ice cream cone and reading a picture book which is much like killing a two month old player's destroyer when they doesn't understand that people can kill him while he is enjoying the PVE experience of belt ratting.
I've tried and tried, and I just cant say the above without having to pause once to take a breath.
Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6736
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:53:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote: Yeah I played football and baseball in High School
Ah well I see you problem now "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
1760
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:06:00 -
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I see a lot of people saying you don't need t2 modules on a t1 frig. These people are idiots and will die to every other correctly fitted t1 frig. |
William Rokov
Tyradir
3
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:42:00 -
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Black Panpher wrote:I see a lot of people saying you don't need t2 modules on a t1 frig. These people are idiots and will die to every other correctly fitted t1 frig. U can check my killboard for example. I was newbie in eve, but wanted to learn pvp here. So i started that way even without t2 modules. It was pretty hard, but after some experience i made fit to kill some type of popular t1 frigs in FW - incursuses and other close brawlers. Example 1 Example 2 Example 3 I was fitted like that - as u see, there are just 3 t2 modules, that can be easy changed for meta 4 without losing anything, except money. There are a lot more on killboard, u can check it by yourself. -ò-ü-+-+ -¦-ï -+-+-é-¦-Ç-¦-ü-â-¦-é-¦-ü-î -ü-+-+-+ -+-¦-+ -¦ -+-¦ - -+-+-¦-¦-+-Ä-ç-¦-¦-é-¦-ü-î -+-¦ -¦-¦-+-¦-+ PVP.solo, -é-¦-+ -+-+-¦-+-+ -+-¦-ü-â-¦-+-é-î -ä-+-é-ï, -+-+-¦-¦-+-+-é-î-ü-Å -â-ü-+-¦-à-¦-+-+, -Ç-¦-ü-ü-¦-¦-+-¦-é-î -+-+-+ -+-+-ü-+-â-ê-¦-é-î -+-Ç-+-à-+-¦-¦-+-ï-¦ -+-ü-é-+-Ç-+-+. -Æ-+-+-¦-¦-¦-é-¦-ü-î! |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
443
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:11:00 -
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I prefer t2 modules on my t1 frig... because I can fit them and can afford them. meta 3-4 are perfectly acceptable and completely lethal variations on the same thing for those who do not have either the skills or the iskies for the t2. You don't have to spend as much as possible to make a ship viable, sometimes you can go the cheap route and be nearly as effective. Ultimately it's the skill of the person behind the keyboard that makes the biggest difference. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24196
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:13:00 -
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Black Panpher wrote:I see a lot of people saying you don't need t2 modules on a t1 frig. These people are idiots and will die to every other correctly fitted t1 frig. You know that T2 isn't always better, right? Only an idiot would suggest that T2 modules are necessary and that you will die without them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:14:00 -
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Can I turn this around a little? PvP is too expensive for older players. Do you know how much my clone costs?
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
769
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Posted - 2014.08.29 15:24:00 -
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The cost of PvP in New Eden is too damn high! GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
126
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Posted - 2014.08.29 20:40:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Harrison Tato wrote: Yeah I played football and baseball in High School
Ah well I see your problem now
I was also Captain of the Knowlege Bowl team. I don't think you are being respectful to other players. A thread was locked yesterday for such things. |
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