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Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:30:00 -
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There was many good discussions being had in that thread but it appears it was deleted after being created by ISD. Anyone know what happened? |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:32:00 -
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Wow yup its gone. I just posted in it like 20 mins ago too Blue-Fire Best Fire |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:32:00 -
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Guess things got a little too real. I lost some likes too. Thanks CCP. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun. |
Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:32:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958738 <-- link to the thread |
Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:32:00 -
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A new hight of bloody stupidity.
Hi we know you hate this **** but here is a pr thread.
"F*ck they still hate it" - Deletes thread.... |
Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:33:00 -
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To finish our discussion CivilWars, I enjoy a good fight but only enjoy being on the ganking side of a gank. |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:35:00 -
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Naglerr wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958738 <-- link to the thread
404 Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:37:00 -
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Aquila Sagitta wrote:Naglerr wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958738 <-- link to the thread 404
If only collapsing holes was this easy ingame... |
Talaq
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:39:00 -
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Ironic that it's gone, if anything it was quite a civil discussion, on why we wont get feedback on a thread they ask us to give feedback on.
so did the ISD get dev flak? or just didn't want to answer when we would actually get normal feedback?
Low-Class Diplomat
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Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:41:00 -
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Its almost like CCP needs a riot before responding Blue-Fire Best Fire |
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Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:42:00 -
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Talaq wrote:Ironic that it's gone, if anything it was quite a civil discussion, on why we wont get feedback on a thread they ask us to give feedback on.
^Agreed. So let me ask the question for a third time: Can some ISD or Dev or anyone provide an estimate for when a Dev that was involved in the decision making process will be commenting on the voluminous feedback that was solicited in the many forum posts on wormhole changes? |
CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:44:00 -
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Naglerr wrote:To finish our discussion CivilWars, I enjoy a good fight but only enjoy being on the ganking side of a gank. And I look at it as if I have no problem killing others in ways/positions they don't want to be killed in then how can I get mad when they do the same to me? I have been in many fights where one side showed maybe half their fleet, then once the other side was committed dropped the other half. It sucks when you are on the losing end, but it is also kinda hard to complain if you have also done it to others.
In regards to risk/reward w-space is some of the most lucrative for PVE, and when done right offers a wide variety of PVP. If that isn't enough to draw people in then I doubt jump spawn mechanics will have any impact on their decision. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun. |
Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:44:00 -
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So.
CCP
Just to Re-iterate
We do not like the changes.
You created FEEDBACK threads - Which you did not listen to.
You created post patch feedback threads after not listening to the original feed back and deploying **** that your paying customers stated that they do not want. - Then deleted the thread when we said WE STILL DONT WANT THIS ****.
Your development lifecycle is a complete failure. Cx asks for a swing and end up with --> CCP - We Nailed it
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Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:45:00 -
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CivilWars wrote:Naglerr wrote:To finish our discussion CivilWars, I enjoy a good fight but only enjoy being on the ganking side of a gank. And I look at it as if I have no problem killing others in ways/positions they don't want to be killed in then how can I get mad when they do the same to me? I have been in many fights where one side showed maybe half their fleet, then once the other side was committed dropped the other half. It sucks when you are on the losing end, but it is also kinda hard to complain if you have also done it to others. In regards to risk/reward w-space is some of the most lucrative for PVE, and when done right offers a wide variety of PVP. If that isn't enough to draw people in then I doubt jump spawn mechanics will have any impact on their decision.
I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to avoid being on the receiving end where possible. |
ArchAngael
S U P R E M E - M A T H E M A T I C S A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.08.27 18:47:00 -
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What is funny (not funny) about it is that there are now about 5 locked threads that redirect you to the (nonexistent) feedback consolidation thread... Recruiter for Supreme Mathematics (affiliated with Stay Frosty)
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Moloney
Mass Effect Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:08:00 -
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CCP answer the op's DAMN question! |
Naglerr
235MeV Waterboard Comedy Tour
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:13:00 -
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I felt the need to also ask my question here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4958941#post4958941
I wanted to make sure the Eve community at large is aware of how CCP is treating the wormhole community on this issue. Please feel free to comment there as well. |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.08.27 19:32:00 -
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Inb4 this gets deleted.
This is a paste of my responds to that thread
Rek Seven wrote:There was a town hall, which Fozzie attended, and some posts from Fozzie in the feedback threads. I'm i'm curious as to what comments you want...? I'm all about complaining if i don't like something but i never forget who is being payed to design the game.
I think the point is that the town hall was more of an attempt at damage control went sideways because wormholes are a passionate bunch that read between the line(a side effect or paranoia). Hence why people are asking for additional comments that might actually address the concerns directly and not in a round about way.
As far as your second comment but CCP has a long tracking record of making mistakes with their designs (pre incarna and post) something we have hoped was remedied by the CSM and a higher involvement between CCP and the players. Both of which seemed to have been in large portions ignored aside from additional number tweaking.
What I am curious about is what type of feedback would have changed CCPs mind about the mass based jump distance changes? considering in large part most of the feedback was negative while providing no incentive for new groups to move into wspace and simultaneously pushing some out of it.
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Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:05:00 -
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I guess when I asked why an ISD was starting a feedback thread and not a CCP Dev it hit a nerve.
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Tiger Tesla
Periphery Bound Dominatus Atrum Mortis
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:09:00 -
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Bronya Boga wrote:Inb4 this gets deleted.
It's really sad to be part of a community now where CCP is so set on implementing the changes that the community tried, offered feedback on, and was basically ignored. It seems that CCP had already made up their mind about the changes, and were going to stick to them no matter what.
What did you want CCP? You asked for feedback, and I can't think of a way the wormhole community could have given more feedback.
And then INCURSION income gets buffed because of the slightly inconvenient situation of the Moms getting popped. Incentivising High Sec while deincentivising wormholes is just an insult.
And then you state that wormhole income is being looked at, with a possible buff to lower class wormhole income. Really glad you are deciding after this patch. There will be more empty wormholes for people to move into.
So far we have had a frigate wandering every day since patch. Are they interesting? Sure, a little. But it just ends up being another account on a hole.
The changes just require more players, more accounts, and ultimately less income(per account).
I really hope CCP rethinks some of these changes, because as it is I have already moved my corp out of our C4 and into higher class wormholes. I would hate to have to move us again to one of the more "supported" parts of space. |
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Talaq
Anomalous Existence Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:30:00 -
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i'll repost my post on the deleted thread:
So you prefer general feedback here?
First i would like to point out, that the whole process of multiple threads and ignored feedback of numerous inhabitants of w-space, really does not fill me with any confidence, just that we are shouting in an empty room, and when were are done we get a pat on the back with this thread.
My stance is pro change in w-space, as numbers in w-space were dropping, and things were stale, but changes to an old and working system should at least be discussed properly and that includes feedback and acting upon it.
Also where is the sweet with the sour, we have holes that act like gates now. increased times rolling, Swiss cheese systems which cater to a size ship which CCP likes to promote, but frankly does only cater to larger groups out side of w-space.
Where is the incentive for new players to enter wormholes, this should be the main and imho most important part of any direction change.
I just don't see it, it doesn't reward players jumping into lower class wh, which later on makes them moving up or grow bigger, providing the content. numbers = content. And these changes don't accomplish that.
so in the recap:
where is the feedback to ours where is the carrot to the implemented stick where is the explanation of what these changes are supposed to accomplish besides making it less appealing for people to get into wormholes.
Low-Class Diplomat
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Jez Amatin
Enso Corp
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Posted - 2014.08.27 20:33:00 -
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I'm not a fan of design by committee, nor am i interested in castigating any specific dev or ISD. But it seems to me like if you ask for feedback you should at least make it part of the dialogue - even if CCP disagrees with the feedback.
I'm gona give CCP a few more days to dwell on the mess they have created. But lets just say i'm not holding my breath on getting actual dialogue...
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.27 21:56:00 -
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Hey guys,
Thanks for all the general feedback. CCP Falcon has an overall general feedback for the Hyperion release located in the EVE Information Portal (EVE Forums -+ EVE Information Center -+ EVE Information Portal -+ Hyperion Feedback):
Hyperion Feedback
Hyperion Issues
If your feedback is specific to the individual wormhole changes, I'd advise you post them there, as many of you already have. Thank you, sincerely, for all the professionalism and consideration you showed us/me in the discussion that was going on yesterday. You are all welcome to provide your thoughts in the Information Portal threads for General Hyperion Feedback/Issues, and I really do hope that you get the responses and resolutions that you strive toward.
As this is discussion of a moderated thread, I'll be closing this now. I sincerely apologize for the continued redirects, but please understand that staff and volunteers are busy trying to help.
Thank you.
ISD Cyberdyne Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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