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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:10:00 -
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So CCP nerfed isthar , but many people state that this change is to small for PVP , other group of people states that it is bad as it is impacting their PVE. Many people states that sentry drone doctrines are unbalanced because of the sentry drones.
Why not making a bit different approach : - half current tracking for all sentry drones or maybe even make it 1/3 - increase range of some sentry drones to compensate for this , eg: Garde - modify at the same time rat AI or their stats to compensate the PVE part of the sentry drone changes.
From my perspective it is better to make ratting a bit easier to all when we get more balance to sentry drones.
They are LARGE weapon system, so after those changes will be like any other PVP LARGE weapon system. Capable of hitting large , slow targets , stationary objects and ships approaching them in straight line.
Question is will this change be viable? After this change Isthars can even get their old stats back. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:16:00 -
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probably would help just to stick to the original thread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369934&find=unread ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.08.28 08:41:00 -
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Well i hope for a discussion, about changes to sentry drones. Ishtar is not only ship that abused this weapon system.
Remember that Sentry are similar to Large guns , yet they can be used by cruiser class ship, and capital ship at the same time. Both of them get bonus to this weapon system.
Yes drones are not guns , but again most of the people agree that sentry drone are serious issue.
We cannot hope for fast fix of sov, cyno but i think that just reducing tracking speed of all sentry drones will mostly solve at least this issue, especially that their stats sit in the database , so we are not talking about rewriting tons of code, checking also what just stopped to work , but we have just simple and fast database value adjustment that will help people a lot. Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 09:12:00 -
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No ... you''ll completely ruin the ship. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Xercodo
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:24:00 -
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Guys, we need sized sentries, we need small and and medium sentries so that ships like the gila, vexor, myrm, Eos, navy vexor, ishtar, prophecy, arbitrator, pilgrim and curse can all have medium drone specific bonuses. The Drake is a Lie |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.08.28 10:32:00 -
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Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones. Guns do instant damage. Drones fly to the target.
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Athryn Bellee
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:41:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones. Guns do instant damage. Drones fly to the target.
Missiles have to fly to the target also. |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:48:00 -
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Athryn Bellee wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones. Guns do instant damage. Drones fly to the target.
Missiles have to fly to the target also.
Yes,and ? I see big difference: missiles <-> drones.
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
661
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Posted - 2014.08.28 11:55:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Athryn Bellee wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Tbh i think that we don't need sentry drones. Guns do instant damage. Drones fly to the target.
Missiles have to fly to the target also. Yes,and ? I see big difference: missiles <-> drones.
RIght, missiles can't be removed by shooting them. Unless smart bombing can do that to a missile. |
Lugia3
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
1224
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Posted - 2014.08.28 12:01:00 -
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This will do nothing except make it so nobody uses sentries outside of pos bashes. "CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:13:00 -
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Caviar Liberta wrote:
Unless smart bombing can do that to a missile.
pretty sure it can, or could at some point, actually!
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:33:00 -
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Who the hell uses an Ishtar for PvE? That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:37:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Who the hell uses an Ishtar for PvE? Actually many people, but this is not about isthars itself, but about sentry drones.
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Duran Veldspur
Rebel Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:44:00 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:So CCP nerfed isthar , but many people state that this change is to small for PVP , other group of people states that it is bad as it is impacting their PVE. Many people states that sentry drone doctrines are unbalanced because of the sentry drones.
Why not making a bit different approach : - half current tracking for all sentry drones or maybe even make it 1/3 - increase range of some sentry drones to compensate for this , eg: Garde - modify at the same time rat AI or their stats to compensate the PVE part of the sentry drone changes.
From my perspective it is better to make ratting a bit easier to all when we get more balance to sentry drones.
They are LARGE weapon system, so after those changes will be like any other PVP LARGE weapon system. Capable of hitting large , slow targets , stationary objects and ships approaching them in straight line.
Question is will this change be viable? After this change Isthars can even get their old stats back.
You dont know what your talking about, and you would make a horrible dev so please stfu
ccp has learned how to balance things, they dont need your 2001 logic, they realize they make customers happier and pay longer when they buff other systems instead of constantly nerfing everything players come to love. its a problem with all MMO's please keep your stupid solutions off the forums |
Misunderstood Genius
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
87
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:45:00 -
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Honestly. Farming Sanctums from 70km with Warden II's isn't different after this patch. |
Zero Sum Gain
FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOOOM Silent Requiem
98
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Posted - 2014.08.28 13:47:00 -
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So you're saying make it more of a sniper because it's 'large'?
About flying to the target: there's heavy drones. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:21:00 -
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no, just no. |
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:11:00 -
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Moved to F&I. ISD Decoy Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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CW Itovuo
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:32:00 -
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ISD Decoy wrote:Moved to F&I.
Trash can would have been more appropriate. |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:23:00 -
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Leoric Firesword wrote:no, just no.
Not empty quoting.
Sentry drones are fine as they are right now and one Ishtar is not a problem, many Ishtars together are.
But that is not the fault of the ship, it's a problem created by people. If our younger audience wasn't so fixed on some statistics on some other websites, we wouldn't have those problems.
Thing is, this perticular audience is so obsessed with some statistics that they do things to uphold some status they can show off to others.
Back in the day the folks were much more interested in real fighting each other, no matter the outcome than today.
When I visited lowsec for the first time in an Osprey for mining some Jaspet, someone in a Brutix came along and locked my ship, then opened a conversation and told me he could have shot me but he didn't because he saw no appeal in shooting a noob. He gave me some pointers and also told me that not everyone would be like that and he warped off to look for someone else to fight.
Eight years and 3 billion killboards later that would not have happened.
I get the big complaint about Ishtar blobs but serioulsy, one day it zee unstoppable Drake or the Hurricane that cannot be destroyed.
I can shoot down one Ishtar no problem, so can everyone else, so the problem is not the ship, it's the people.
If you cry for nerfs to sentry drones, you are also gimping a few battleships and I have no problem at all with a Dominix fielding sentries with high tracking.
I even wish, the Dominix could have the drone control range of an Ishtar but she does not. So it is up to you to make her get the range.
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Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:34:00 -
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elitatwo wrote:Leoric Firesword wrote:no, just no. Not empty quoting. Sentry drones are fine as they are right now and one Ishtar is not a problem, many Ishtars together are. But that is not the fault of the ship, it's a problem created by people. If our younger audience wasn't so fixed on some statistics on some other websites, we wouldn't have those problems. Thing is, this perticular audience is so obsessed with some statistics that they do things to uphold some status they can show off to others. Back in the day the folks were much more interested in real fighting each other, no matter the outcome than today. When I visited lowsec for the first time in an Osprey for mining some Jaspet, someone in a Brutix came along and locked my ship, then opened a conversation and told me he could have shot me but he didn't because he saw no appeal in shooting a noob. He gave me some pointers and also told me that not everyone would be like that and he warped off to look for someone else to fight. Eight years and 3 billion killboards later that would not have happened. I get the big complaint about Ishtar blobs but serioulsy, one day it zee unstoppable Drake or the Hurricane that cannot be destroyed. I can shoot down one Ishtar no problem, so can everyone else, so the problem is not the ship, it's the people. If you cry for nerfs to sentry drones, you are also gimping a few battleships and I have no problem at all with a Dominix fielding sentries with high tracking. I even wish, the Dominix could have the drone control range of an Ishtar but she does not. So it is up to you to make her get the range. Nerf people, not the drones!
I do not agree. Isthars are just one of the examples how sentry drones are broken.
Yes i'm all against sentry drones in fleet fights. They not only are unbalanced but also amplify TIDI.
Sentry + Missile on a field - the biggest TIDI.
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:31:00 -
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I think the change didn't effect PVP nor PVE hard enough... People are still having easy time doing everything they did before the change. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:56:00 -
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The problem with the Ishtar is that it's a cruiser using battleship sized weapons. The solution IMO is rather simple: Change the bonuses of all drone boats to bonus drones of their hull size and lower
Frigs would have bonused light drones. Cruisers/Battlecruisers would have bonused medium drones and light drones Battleships would have bonused heavy drones, sentry drones, medium drones and light drones
With that in place, they could then perhaps add "light" and "medium" sentry drones; less DPS better tracking.
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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2164
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:09:00 -
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Ishtar isn't being used in the AT much, and those that are, do better with heavies over sentries. There is no problem with the ship balance wise. The old sentry Dominix was unbalanced, this ship is not.
The only problem here is too many terrible frigate pilots, with their MWD always on, that have no idea what a transversal velocity is.
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elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:32:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:The problem with the Ishtar is that it's a cruiser using battleship sized weapons. The solution IMO is rather simple: Change the bonuses of all drone boats to bonus drones of their hull size and lower
Frigs would have bonused light drones. Cruisers/Battlecruisers would have bonused medium drones and light drones Battleships would have bonused heavy drones, sentry drones, medium drones and light drones
With that in place, they could then perhaps add "light" and "medium" sentry drones; less DPS better tracking.
Maybe.
Still, one Ishtar is not a problem and a very special ship. I said many Ishtars are a problem.
But the same problem were the sooper dooper unstoppable, solo-wtf-uber-unkillable-gank-pwn-mobiles with zee heavy missiles that were conquering all of SOV-nullsec, winning all faction-warfare fights for the Caldari and made the Caldari the unbeatable murder-race of all times.
Again and for the last time, that is not a problem of the drones or the ships, its the folks flying the ships.
Next month there will be another ship that is unkillable and will conquer all of SOV-nullsec and wipe out goofswarm and we will haz the most massive amount of moon-poo price-raise in the history of New Eden.
And all that because all of the 'bulk folks' are very uncreative in fitting ships.
But we haz zee rescuers of all mankind, thanks to some lawyer, who likes himself very much, and if he tells someone that even the Blender is a good boat, they bring 12000 Blenders and win EVE- erm I mean crash zee hamsters.. signature |
sytaqe violacea
Theory of Mind
19
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:10:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Guys, we need sized sentries, we need small and and medium sentries so that ships like the gila, vexor, myrm, Eos, navy vexor, ishtar, prophecy, arbitrator, pilgrim and curse can all have medium drone specific bonuses.
As one of militia noob, I like this idea. Medium sentry drone of 10m3, 10Mbps, Medium Rail Tracking, and Medium Drone DPS will be good counter against boosted kiting fleet inside small or novice plex. |
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:26:00 -
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Drastic changes won't be made due to the ships popularity. That how CCP Rise likes to balances things.
Take a look at how bad they ****** up the Rattlesnake, a less popular ship Pirate faction battleship. -225 reduction in drone bay, loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses on all drones. Apparently, it's OK to **** all over people and completely destroy a play style as long as its not a popular one. |
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
719
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Posted - 2014.09.06 18:50:00 -
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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:Drastic changes won't be made due to the ships popularity. That how CCP Rise likes to balances things.
Take a look at how bad they ****** up the Rattlesnake, a less popular ship Pirate faction battleship. -225 reduction in drone bay, loss of missile velocity bonus and loss of bonuses on all drones. Apparently, it's OK to **** all over people and completely destroy a play style as long as its not a popular one. Still? Sheesh let it go. The Rattler performs better in every way than before.
I would be all for sized sentries.
Op is off base on sentries needing nerfs. At worst heavies should be reduced to 20m3/20bw and sentries left as is, with a few tweaks to certain drone bays to disincentive their use. |
W0lf Crendraven
IMORTALS The Obsidian Front
250
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Posted - 2014.09.06 19:30:00 -
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@op no, sentrys in themselfs are to strong |
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