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Learux Depran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.08.28 14:54:00 -
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Is there anything to do against this?
A few times now I jumped into a bubble I got killed.
Financially not a big deal but slightly annoying.
Anything you can do besides turning around and hoping you make it back to the gate.
How does this work, don't you uncloak when you set a new destination? (gate you came from)
Is it possible to go unseen through the bubble.
Will a covert ops ship be much easier to navigate through these bubbles?
If yes, what do you have to be careful for in a CO's?
Lots of questions but I am getting a little fed up by being killed by something I absolutely cannot prepair for or counter.
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Forest Archer
Pandora Sphere Disavowed.
147
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Posted - 2014.08.28 15:41:00 -
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So the best thing for bubbles are t3s or interceptors. But if no skills a cover ops using man cloak will work but dos not guarantee safety. There is never a guarantee but have pings off gates to check for bubbles. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post |
Learux Depran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.08.28 17:26:00 -
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What do you mean with pings of gate? |
Forest Archer
Pandora Sphere Disavowed.
147
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Posted - 2014.08.28 18:25:00 -
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Bookmarks off gates usually about 200 off often this will land you outside of bubbles but able to warp to gate if there are no bubbles. Always willing to help all you have to do is ask, though if your in the other fleet I may not help the way you want. Just a heads up. Pub Channel: Lost Souls Trading Post |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1332
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:30:00 -
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Exploration.
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Would you like to know more? |
Learux Depran
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:33:00 -
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I started making tactical bookmarks. They don't do anything for you going into a new system.
So every time you jump in to a new system you have to get lucky and hope there is no bubble?
If I were to spend the money on a covert ops ship, do you stay cloaked the whole time you are in the bubble?
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Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
196
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Posted - 2014.08.28 19:48:00 -
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Covops cloaks work perfectly well within bubbles, and I highly recommend one for null-sec exploration. You are allowed to cycle your MWD once immediately after you cloak, but since there is no speed penalty from covops cloaks this will get you a long way. Once you exit the bubble you can warp to any destination, even if it's on the other side of the bubble, provided you do not re-enter while aligning.
There are a few things to watch out for: you will be visible for a short period of time as you transfer from your gate cloak to your covops cloak. I don't know if this is enough for a fast locker to get you but it may betray your position allowing a fast ship to attempt to decloak you. You should also watch out for collideables and drones/cans which campers may use to decloak you.
But the best way to avoid getting killed in a bubble camp is to avoid bubble camps. Keep an eye on your map - if there are a lot of pilots in space or ships killed in the last hour, you should be prepared for a camp. Systems with two gates, and especially gateway systems (to low-sec or high-sec) are frequently camped. |
Darsena Izuma
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno
8
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:23:00 -
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If you suspect a bubble at a gate you're trying to get to, try warping off of a planet near the gate instead of to the gate itself. You can then use D-scan to verify if the gate is clear of bubbles before warping the rest of the way. Some campers might get really ambitious and also put bubbles by planets though.
Alternately, you can create a "safe" spot somewhere that's very far out of alignment of the line between any of the gates in the system, and try to warp to the gate from there. If you're lucky, none of the bubbles will be in line with you, and you'll land safely by the gate. This is tricky, though, and takes practice and some skill with using the solar system map. Fedo are not what they seem to be.-á Welcome to Night Vale. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4080
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Posted - 2014.08.28 20:44:00 -
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The only bubbles that are normally a problem, are ones that cover the gate on a system you are entering (incoming gate).
Bubbles on an exit gate are less of a problem, as you at least can tell they are there, and can often avoid them by warping to a celestial first, or from a bookmark you make between celestials, before warping to the exit gate at range (say 70 km if cloaked).
Bubbles not covering a gate should rarely be a problem.
Bubbles covering a gate are often destroyed by roaming fleets, as they are a PITA. An exception would be gates in renter-space, which can have huge numbers of bubbles covering them. |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
86
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Posted - 2014.08.29 04:41:00 -
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Well, I lost my first covops to a bubble in Syndicate, I find that the easiest is to probably WH your way into Null, then WH back to highsec. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
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Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts
20
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:52:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Well, I lost my first covops to a bubble in Syndicate, I find that the easiest is to probably WH your way into Null, then WH back to highsec.
Losses are how we all learn :-) As a Syndicate resident, let me just say that those of us who spend most of our time there are there for the PVP. But there are other nullsec regions nearby (Outer Ring, Cloud Ring, even Fountain) where most systems are empty, most of the time...at least during my TZ.
There's been good advice in this thread, just to summarize:
1. T3 cruisers fitted with the Interdiction Nullifier are immune to bubbles. So are interceptors. T3 cruisers can be fitted as effective exploration ships but are expensive and make popular targets.
2. Tacticals 200km+ above or below the gate give you someplace to land that will almost never be in the line of a bubble. Take the time to bookmark them when you jump into an empty system. A cheap fast frigate can be useful for this.
3. When exploring unfamiliar systems, check the starmap before you jump in. Look out for ship and pod kills during last hour/30 mins, pilots docked/active, number of jumps...if a system deep in null looks busy, you may want to avoid it
4. Never warp direct from one gate to another. Always warp to a random planet, then to the gate you want to go to.
5. COVOPS cloak is your friend.
Be patient with yourself. Think through each loss and how you could have avoided it. Pretty soon, you'll become one of those nearly un-catchable covops pilots not worth the bother of chasing around :-)
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Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
86
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:38:00 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:But there are other nullsec regions nearby (Outer Ring, Cloud Ring, even Fountain) where most systems are empty, most of the time...at least during my TZ.
I can confirm that Cloud Ring is mostly desolate, I roamed through there and all I found was a non-AFK retriever and a Tengu. So...If you want to PvP don't waste your time there, but other activities should be relatively easy to do there. "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
Miri Draconis
Caldari State Regulars Heiian Conglomerate
8
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Posted - 2014.08.31 18:58:00 -
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Netan MalDoran wrote:Well, I lost my first covops to a bubble in Syndicate, I find that the easiest is to probably WH your way into Null, then WH back to highsec.
Wormholes are indeed the best/safest solution. The second-best is to go through the high-traffic, camped gateway systems just after DT. The third solution, one that takes longer, is to just try to use a roundabout way that is less traveled and thus less likely to be camped. For example, you could go into Syndicate via Orvolle and get murdered, or you could go the Aridia -> Solitude -> Syndicate route and be substantially less likely to die at the cost of more of your time. |
Marc Durant
131
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Posted - 2014.09.01 07:41:00 -
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While covops can have really high survivability if you do it right, the easy solution is to use an intie for exploration. Given good skills and fitting you can do relic sites just fine with them while they're immune to bubbles and can, at the same time, be fit to warp sub 2 seconds so they can't be targeted and tackled.
The only thing they're susceptible to is smart bombs, dumb pilots or being AFK or DCed. Yes, yes-áI am. Thanks for noticing.
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