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Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2152
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:30:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Karl Jerr wrote:A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website. When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?
Probably since blueballing and station spining hasn't been marketable. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
4291
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Posted - 2014.08.29 01:32:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Karl Jerr wrote:A PVP experience included in a PVe one. I hope this kind of mission pave the way of the future of Pve in Eve with more dynamic content that you can't predict by browsing a website. When did player vs AI become a pvp experience?
The moment you log onto EVE, you log onto a PVP experience. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1399
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:07:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:they might want to stop doing things like station games.
but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that.
Sentamon wrote:they might want to stop doing things like gateganking noobs in industrials.
but it's the only "fight" they know they can win.
Sentamon wrote: they might want to stop doing things like hotdropping 2 guys with 20 ships.
but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that. |
Nick Starkey
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
75
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:11:00 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:Otuk Andven wrote:So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.
The requirements in terms of DPS, and even fitting seems to heavy as to be only really worth it for people who fly pirate ships.
So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver? Who says they failed? You do, 2 days in? A few forum trolls? Lol. Fact is, they are an interesting addition to high sec, and for that I applaud CCP. They are difficult to fight solo, but easy with a friend. And THAT is their primary function - not to get people to do PvP - but to get them to team up and cooperate. And CCP should do more of these 'co-operative' missions/quests. Many more.
Pretty much this. I've seen a few of my friends teaming up to complete them, even if the rewards suck they have a blast doing that - that's something I'd never expect from this game's PVE. They really filled a void in this game for non PVP play. Fozzie stated a few times they have nothing to do with pvp, I dunno why people keep complaining about that. .. |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
430
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:56:00 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.
I can see how the latter would appeal to the former.
You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast. Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2155
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Posted - 2014.08.29 08:57:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.
I can see how the latter would appeal to the former. You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast. Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.
Don't confuse the simple people. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6720
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:00:00 -
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Omar Alharazaad wrote:Syn Shi wrote:Running lvl4s in a battleship......dogfights in a frigate.
I can see how the latter would appeal to the former. You might be surprised. I did the whole lvl 4's in a battleship thing for ages... then I got bored and decided to see what I could pull off in a frigate as far as missions went. Level 3's in an assault frigate can be an absolute blast. Sometimes a little variety can breathe some fresh life into something that's becoming stale and boring.
You should try 3/10s and 4/10s in a Kestrel
That's a rush "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Prince Kobol
2093
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:06:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.
That is because they really didn't want either of those things. What they really wanted was missions that paid more isk + lp and dropped cool shiny loot. |
Prince Kobol
2093
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:07:00 -
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Just to add, if people want a PvP experience there is a very easy way to do this.. leave High Sec |
Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
430
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:10:00 -
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There's plenty of PVP to be had in high sec, no need to leave. |
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
391
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:12:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.
Not fitting a point is a choice Not wanting to warp out cos isk/hour is a choice Optimizing a fit to shoot and tank NPC's is a choice
The only thing standing in the way of people getting into PvP is .... a choice
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:57:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.
Most of the mad & butthurt posts seem to be from other people crying about people discussing burners.
To topic, I had hoped (later confirmed as not happening in test server feedback) that they would be neat little missions requiring a point and a basic PvP style for to complete. Not that hard, not that rewarding but a different change of pace and done in something not worthless in a PvP engagement to start bridging the gap.
As it is though, the burner fits are just another esoteric fit requirement which is hopeless in PvP. Whilst that turns out to be their intention I simply feel an opportunity was missed here. |
Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6722
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Posted - 2014.08.29 09:59:00 -
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afkalt wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it. Most of the mad & butthurt posts seem to be from other people crying about people discussing burners.
Says he, complaining about people complaining about whingy, unpleasable spoiled children who are complaining that the new stuff isn't to their taste and should be removed. "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
12856
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:09:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:
So what did people expect/want from Burner missions that the present form doesn't deliver?
Big isk payouts for no effort. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2014.08.29 10:54:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:afkalt wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it. Most of the mad & butthurt posts seem to be from other people crying about people discussing burners. Says he, complaining about people complaining about whingy, unpleasable spoiled children who are complaining that the new stuff isn't to their taste and should be removed.
You mistake observation for complaint. |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9191
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:34:00 -
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While I can not say that you're wrong ... ... I can tell you my own observation.
You're a coward hiding behind a faceless npc alt. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
292
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:53:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:While I can not say that you're wrong ... ... I can tell you my own observation.
You're a coward hiding behind a faceless npc alt.
1) Stop ad-hom attacks. 2) This character existed before petty judging and name-calling was a "thing", so suck it up princess. 3) Keep on topic.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan
6729
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Posted - 2014.08.29 12:56:00 -
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afkalt wrote: I mistake observation for complaint.
Yes, you do
afkalt wrote:1) Stop ad-hom attacks. 2) This character existed before petty judging and name-calling was a "thing", so suck it up princess. 3) Keep on topic.
1) Make us - you are awful so we attack you 2) So before language was invented? 3) Yeah, you should probably try "Many have joined the battle, many have survived the tests and trials, but countless have fallen because they weren't the sharpest, the fastest thinking, the most devious, the most ruthless or most intelligent. -áLog in and Compete!"-á- CCP Falcon
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Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
257
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:24:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Sentamon wrote:they might want to stop doing things like station games. but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that. Sentamon wrote:they might want to stop doing things like gateganking noobs in industrials. but it's the only "fight" they know they can win. Sentamon wrote: they might want to stop doing things like hotdropping 2 guys with 20 ships. but they might lose the fight if they stopped doing that.
Only fair fight is a fight I know I cannot lose.
Right? |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9192
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:31:00 -
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afkalt wrote:Solecist Project wrote:While I can not say that you're wrong ... ... I can tell you my own observation.
You're a coward hiding behind a faceless npc alt. 1) Stop ad-hom attacks. 2) This character existed before petty judging and name-calling was a "thing", so suck it up princess. 3) Keep on topic. Interesting how you mistake my observation for an attack.
Facts...
1. You don't post with your main. 2. You have no face. 3. You are an npc alt.
Conclusion: You are a coward hiding behind a faceless npc alt.
See? A factual statement based on reality.
Post with your main, coward.
y u mad? u r clearly mad. no need 4 mad. k? http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
7909
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:39:00 -
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afkalt wrote:
To topic, I had hoped (later confirmed as not happening in test server feedback) that they would be neat little missions requiring a point and a basic PvP style for to complete. Not that hard, not that rewarding but a different change of pace and done in something not worthless in a PvP engagement to start bridging the gap.
The problem was your assumption. I don't see how someone can make an assumption from facts not in evidence then be disappointed when the thing (that no one ever promised) doesn't happen lol.
CCP said in the missions and complexes forums over and over again over the last 2 years that they are making new tools to eventually bring about the kind of new PVE they and we want, but that they aren't there yet. They told us from day one when they announced these Burner missions that there was only so much that could happen.
It's not their fault is people get their hopes up for no reason.
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
204
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:45:00 -
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Fozzie, need I say more? |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9195
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:51:00 -
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I feel like you probably can't follow, so let me explain it for you in a way even you understand.
See... the fact that you post with your faceless npc alt instead of your main means that you are afraid of negative consequences for spreading crap.
That makes you a coward. Factually.
You post things you know people will disagree with ... ... and you MIGHT even know it's crap.
I even give you that. Another thing would be calling you a troll, but as I don't know if you are smart enough to realise you are spreading crap, I don't call you a troll! I can't do that, because I don't know if you know!
And as I don't know, calling you a troll would be an ad hominem attack.
If I knew, though, that you were smart enough to realise ... ... then calling you a troll would be a factual statement!
I hope this helps you understanding the difference between a factual statement and a personal attack.
I got distracted several times while writing this post, so I hope I didn't make any mistakes. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2117
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Posted - 2014.08.29 13:57:00 -
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Otuk Andven wrote:So it seems that Burner missions have failed to live up to people hopes of getting people into PvP.
You have to realize that this shift towards "arcade" level game content is being done to justify and validate the "6 week" release system.
Can't do much in 6 weeks... or 12 or 24 for that matter... but this is the future of EVE.
For some players, it's great, and if that gives them great game play experience -- then so be it.
But hey, goldfish have awesome attention spans, too.
For the rest of us... I'll be charitable and go with "disappointing".
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
293
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Posted - 2014.08.29 14:20:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:afkalt wrote:
To topic, I had hoped (later confirmed as not happening in test server feedback) that they would be neat little missions requiring a point and a basic PvP style for to complete. Not that hard, not that rewarding but a different change of pace and done in something not worthless in a PvP engagement to start bridging the gap.
The problem was your assumption. I don't see how someone can make an assumption from facts not in evidence then be disappointed when the thing (that no one ever promised) doesn't happen lol. CCP said in the missions and complexes forums over and over again over the last 2 years that they are making new tools to eventually bring about the kind of new PVE they and we want, but that they aren't there yet. They told us from day one when they announced these Burner missions that there was only so much that could happen. It's not their fault is people get their hopes up for no reason.
Again, not complaining - just what I had hoped.
Hope isn't the same as an assumption and I'm not complaining about it. That I think they missed a trick here is an impassive observation is all.
Feels a shame. |
Vyl Vit
703
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Posted - 2014.08.29 16:08:00 -
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What people want is what they're fully entitled to since they paid $15 (or farmed a lot of ore for PLEX). Look at it like the Kings and Queens of a restaurant that want the staff to scrape and bow 'cause they're putting their credit card on the line, and might even leave a tip that's discernible to the naked eye. Maybe Jim Morrison went a tad overboard with, "We want the world and we want it NOW!" More than a few took this a bit more seriously than intended, and in entirely the wrong vein.
They're ENTITLED! (Haven't you heard?)
I wanted the new content to solve world hunger and turn all the AKs into butterflies! Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Astenion
The Scope Gallente Federation
402
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:18:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.
Eehhh, I dunno about that. More like they asked for a flyswatter to swat a fly on their head and they were handed a flamethrower. |
Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
2503
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Posted - 2014.08.29 22:51:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Mission runners ask for more variety with missions & smarter AI. They get exactly that & immediately complain about it.
Who are the mysterious, 'they' you refer to?
Are 'they' legion, or just a couple of folk posting on the forums?
Any new game idea - variation introduced by CCP always has some folk complaining about it.
Oh, I just noticed, you are a regular goon forum poster, spamming the forums for attention, yet again...
This is not a signature. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9332
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:01:00 -
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I expected tears about them.
And I got precisely that.
Satisfied customer. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
Clean Up Local 2014.-á |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4553
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Posted - 2014.08.29 23:04:00 -
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Burner missions feel somewhat like a tech demo for a possible new NPC AI and design philosophy. Then again I may be overly optimistic. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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