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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:00:00 -
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I feel like DJ's reply actually has nothing to do with my post ... ... and when people start replying to his opinion ... ... they are completely missing the point.
DJ missed it as well. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9329
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:10:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: Please note that I did not and do not feel the need to read this article.
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The reason why one could assume that reaction time and intellect are connected, is because the longer one thinks about something, the less stupid the response will be!
It is an interesting read, what you posted.. but this directly contradicts (ie: says the exact opposite) of what the linked article said, specifically. Also, I'm not sure how much stock I can put in your response if you can't take the time to read the article (it's pretty short).
The article said:
Quote:Simple reaction time (the amount of time it takes to respond to a stimulus) is correlated with IQ
What you're saying is knee-jerk reactions are bad. I agree with you. But:
Quote:The shorter the reaction time, the stronger the automatism.
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The reason why one could assume that reaction time and intellect are connected, is because the longer one thinks about something, the less stupid the response will be!
Whether someone makes a stupid (or non-stupid) post has no coherent relationship with IQ. IQ is measured and evaluated differently, and something as subjective as posts on an MMO forum have no correlation whatsoever to a measurable standard of cognitive processing. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~ |
Tassin en Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:15:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I feel like DJ's reply actually has nothing to do with my post ... ... and when people start replying to his opinion ... ... they are completely missing the point.
DJ missed it as well. You were quite complete in your dissection of the human brain. I can't add anything to it, but I can expand on the reasons as to why there is so much negativity on these forums, as can DJ. Carebear Extraordinaire |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9290
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:17:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: cut for space I do not read that article, because I do not agree with what is considered "intelligence".
I do not consider people intelligent, who are so unaware of themselves, that they fall into long periods of automatic, pattern based behaviour.
People who keep responding to each others posts over and over again, for example. Like the people who mindlessly fight, until one slaps the other.
"Intelligence" is the wrong word.
Personally, I would call it lack of self awareness. And in my personal context, that makes a person pretty stupid.
That's an opinion that does not necessarily mean someone is stupid all the time, but I do tend to consider people who lack proper awareness levels to lack intelligence.
And I do realise it's not intelligence in the sense people usually mean.
I have reasons.
Anyhow ...
Why?
Because the person is unable to form a conscious thought. Is unable to process anything that does not fit the saved mental patterns. Is completely locked up in what he believes is true. Rejects anything that is trying to be said, because it does not fit the saved mental patterns.
I do believe that my post was born rather out of a need to express wtf is going on, than to actually talk about some irrelevant article that does not help anyone learn anything about themselves.
If my post even only made a single person more aware of itself, then it was a success.
It definitely made *one* person so far more aware about *me*, which is a personal win I did not actually expect. Not in the slightest.
If I consider what people seem to think is "intellect" then that would mean that a person can be intelligent even when it's a person that does not have any conscious thought at all and simply behaves like a mindless robot.
No?
Oh btw, simply calling it a "knee-jerk reaction" is also missing the point. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9330
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:24:00 -
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"Intelligence" and IQ are two different concepts, and people incorrectly treat them as synonyms. Mixing intelligence and IQ is a mistake the OP has already made.
We could debate all day about what "intelligence" means, since it is an extremely subjective word. Is it social intelligence? Business intelligence? Ability to play chess? Ability to play Starcraft? It opens the question to an endless amount of criteria.
IQ, on the other hand is a fairly standardized test, measuring very specific aspects of cognitive processing.
I personally would be very cautious about debating intelligence. I think it is too subjective and too general of a topic to expect any real agreement.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24223
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:30:00 -
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Today's reading tip. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9291
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:31:00 -
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Sibyyl wrote: "Intelligence" and IQ are two different concepts, and people incorrectly treat them as synonyms. Mixing intelligence and IQ is a mistake the OP has already made.
We could debate all day about what "intelligence" means, since it is an extremely subjective word. Is it social intelligence? Business intelligence? Ability to play chess? Ability to play Starcraft? It opens the question to an endless amount of criteria.
IQ, on the other hand is a fairly standardized test, measuring very specific aspects of cognitive processing.
I personally would be very cautious about debating intelligence. I think it is too subjective and too general of a topic to expect any real agreement.
I agree with the lack of real agreement about what "intelligence" means.
I do believe though, that it is important to have a term for this.
"Lack of self awareness" actually hits it nails on ...
... and I am still waiting for someone to realise. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9291
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:35:00 -
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Thank you for your post!
And I am not getting disected, chewed, and spit out by you!
Yay! :D http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
9334
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:39:00 -
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Personally I enjoy getting killed by Tippia's digestive juices.
It is usually an educational experience. ~ Please support a yellow jumpsuit for me (and everyone else). Thank you! ~ |
Ria Nieyli
19818
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:42:00 -
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This thread just keeps getting worse. And all roads lead to Tranquility Base, where the frown on my face disappears... |
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9291
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:44:00 -
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Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarlacc ... see below) http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24224
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:45:00 -
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What am I, some kind of forum Sarlacc all of a sudden? =ƒÆÇ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tassin en Lone
University of Caille Gallente Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.08.30 22:57:00 -
[103] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. I'm aware that the above comment is a tad condescending. Carebear Extraordinaire |
Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9333
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:19:00 -
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Tassin en Lone wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. I'm aware that the above comment is a tad condescending. That's not my fault.
That's an issue you have with yourself.
The problem is that people are not aware of this, which makes them believe that I somehow look down onto them.
That is simply not the case, no matter if you believe it or not.
It is far more often not the case than most people would believe ... ... or would want to believe.
Okay? http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
4443
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:22:00 -
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I think that Eve and it's complexity attracts older, and more patient, people. That means the maturity level is higher, but I don't think that necessarily implies a higher intelligence than other gaming communities. |
Whittorical Quandary
The Asteroid is Depleted Cucarachas Enojadas
9
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:28:00 -
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More complexity with fewer people should make average IQ go up. If enough people quit the game, the averae IQ should go back to prior levels. If it went even less, everyone would be able to consider themsleves brilliant, as all the people who were considered stupid, had all left and only the elite remain.
Quote:People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do.
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Jon Joringer
Bushido.
139
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:37:00 -
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There do seem to be a lot of people who like to act very immature/childish, though I won't presume to know if they are just acting or really are like that. I've only been playing since '11, so I don't know what the playerbase was generally like, but I will say that I was (and still am) surprised by the number of people who act childish and use text spelling (my thoughts back then, when I started playing, were 'I thought this game's playerbase was supposed to be intelligent'). |
Calamity Jayne Utama
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:52:00 -
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Yes |
Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.08.30 23:54:00 -
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The apparent average IQ of any group of people is inversely proportional to the size of the group. The IQ of the individual members fails to be important once a group reaches a certain critical size, because of a phenomenon known as group think. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
953
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:16:00 -
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Note to self: Mention IQ in thread title, watch all the ugliest fish ambush the tasteless bait. Oh, and Sol, could you not? Pretty sure you're not trolling so it seems your fedora has eaten your brain. No more books, please, no more.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24227
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:26:00 -
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Absolutely Not Analt wrote:The IQ of the individual members fails to be important once a group reaches a certain critical size, because of a phenomenon known as group think. Group think can be overcome, though, and it's not even all that difficult if you design for it. It's more likely that clique:ing and newgroup syndrome kicks in in a group of this size and composition. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9336
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:33:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Note to self: Mention IQ in thread title, watch all the ugliest fish ambush the tasteless bait. Oh, and Sol, could you not? Pretty sure you're not trolling so it seems your fedora has eaten your brain. No more books, please, no more. What are you talking about?
I do not cite or talk out of books.
I link to things from the internet to save time ... ... and/or to try to make it easier for people to understand ... ... or try to help myself explain things.
It was Tippia who posted a book.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6397
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Absolutely Not Analt wrote:The IQ of the individual members fails to be important once a group reaches a certain critical size, because of a phenomenon known as group think. Group think can be overcome, though, and it's not even all that difficult if you design for it. It's more likely that clique:ing and newgroup syndrome kicks in in a group of this size and composition. Nah, I'm pretty sure it's a strength in some setups.
Have you seen the way we fit our fleet ships, as opposed to say the ratting ships ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
24227
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:44:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Nah, I'm pretty sure it's a strength in some setups.
Have you seen the way we fit our fleet ships, as opposed to say the ratting ships WeeeellGǪ there's a difference between SOP and best practices on one hand, and actual groupthink. If there are good ideas and bad ideas, and people trend toward the former, that's more a case of people not being stupid just for the sake of itGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.2. |
Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2014.08.31 00:44:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Chopper Rollins wrote:Note to self: Mention IQ in thread title, watch all the ugliest fish ambush the tasteless bait. Oh, and Sol, could you not? Pretty sure you're not trolling so it seems your fedora has eaten your brain. No more books, please, no more. What are you talking about? I do not cite or talk out of books. I link to things from the internet to save time ... ... and/or to try to make it easier for people to understand ... ... or try to help myself explain things. It was Tippia who posted a book.
As previously posted this is just Pseudo intellectual opinion.
And also very patronising
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Solecist Project
Mew Age Outpaws
9337
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:13:00 -
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It's nice of you , miko, that you keep following me around.
your posts already got deleted from the yellow-thread i have already petitioned you.
it's nice that you put so much attention into me, and i enjoy knowing that you pointlessly try to make your weak mind feel better.
feel free to continue following me around. http://residentoutlaw.tumblr.com - Mew Age Calendar YC116.08.27 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=369961 |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11381
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Posted - 2014.08.31 01:31:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Still waiting for someone with a proper awareness level. I already posted on page 1. Not bothering to get involved in the debate about what constitutes intelligence though. It, like pornography and life itself, is something I can identify when I see it, but not really define it to any satisfactory degree. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Vyl Vit
711
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Posted - 2014.08.31 06:26:00 -
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How many fingers am I holding up? Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4390
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Posted - 2014.08.31 09:40:00 -
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LazyDeer wrote:I read the forums every now and then and all I see is so many players crying about game mechanics. Like ganking haulers and miners, scams in jita, Wardecs being a greifer tool, High sec not safe and more. Thing is, this has been going on all the time, and puzzles me how people can't learn from the past? So is EVE's overall IQ dropping?
Yes, because a very very small fraction of retards posting on the forums is a good sample size of the global EVE playerbase.
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Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.08.31 10:37:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:It's nice of you , miko, that you keep following me around.
your posts already got deleted from the yellow-thread and i have already petitioned you.
it's nice that you put so much attention into me, and i enjoy knowing that you pointlessly try to make your weak mind feel better.
feel free to continue trying to gather any usefull reaction from me.
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